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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 3:08:47 PM   
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There isn’t a Tag though unless he goes all the way. Need resources for the rest of team and they spent on a QBOTF. If the cap was clean it would be one thing but 2024 was a rebuilding year to clean cap for 2025 and not use it on a qb unless he does extraordinary things. It has been that way since the beginning of 2024.

I will say this. If they let Darnold go and McCarthy is the starter next season, don't be surprised when they finish with 7-8 wins. As a Maestro, you don't just turn on the lights and lead the orchestra. Even though Darnold had bad experiences in New York and Carolina, he had experiences. You don't get those wearing a knee brace and holding a clip board. McCarthy won't be facing Maryland or the Gophers, with a far superior offensive line in front of him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 3:23:55 PM   
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That Sam-I-Am! That Sam-I-Am! I do not like that Sam-I-Am!

I cannot win them Sam I am
I cannot win big games goddamn

Can you win them in Detroit? Their banged up Defense can you destroy it?
I cannot win them in Detroit, that banged up Defense I can’t destroy it.


I cannot win them Sam I am.
I cannot win big games goddamn.

Can you win against the Rams?
I cannot, will not, Sam I am.

Todd, you do realize that the Detroit defense has been banged up for 10 weeks, right? They are 14-1 in the past 15 games. I'm not sure if you realize this, but they're really good.


Yes. Offensively, they're really good.

Their defense was giving up over 32 PPG the previous 5 weeks - and they lost their best remaining CB early in our game.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 3:43:21 PM   
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That Sam-I-Am! That Sam-I-Am! I do not like that Sam-I-Am!

I cannot win them Sam I am
I cannot win big games goddamn

Can you win them in Detroit? Their banged up Defense can you destroy it?
I cannot win them in Detroit, that banged up Defense I can’t destroy it.


I cannot win them Sam I am.
I cannot win big games goddamn.

Can you win against the Rams?
I cannot, will not, Sam I am.

Todd, you do realize that the Detroit defense has been banged up for 10 weeks, right? They are 14-1 in the past 15 games. I'm not sure if you realize this, but they're really good.


How have they been the last month? Talking strictly Defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 3:48:24 PM   
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Really interesting topic just came up on NFL Live. They were talking about Watson's injury. According to him they are 68 in the red for the salary cap next year so they HAVE to go cheap at QB (this assumes he's done for all of 25).

His take "I would be on the phone with the Vikings as soon as the season ends and see what it takes to get JJM. They have 2 assets that may temp. Miles Garrett or the #2 overall pick."


Would you do either or 1 and a combo of something else?


if it came to trading mccarthy, i'd really try to talk the NY giants into dexter lawrance and their 1st, and 2nd....

but i'd rather trade darnold....

LOL. You guys place a lot of value on a guy with zero pass completions and one knee injury.

We draft a guy in the top ten. A year later, without ever completing a pass, he is suddenly worth a great player, a first and a second?

How does that work, exactly?


Because he would be the top QB in this year's draft.

LOL

And so teams are suddenly going to overspend wildly for a guy that was supposed to be a late first/early second round pick the year before? I got news for you, the Vikings drafting McCarthy at 10 was a wild jump to begin with.


Yes. That's exactly how it works.

On bad QB draft years, guys are always overdrafted. If JJ is seen as a better prospect than anyone in this draft, he's going to have more value than any of them to many QB starved teams.

Yes, you give up 1 cheap year of control (although you're also paying 2024 10th overall pick vs 2025 Top 5 pick money), but he also has a year of working under KOC - who clearly has a much higher reputation around the league than he does in your household.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 5:56:17 PM   
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There isn’t a Tag though unless he goes all the way. Need resources for the rest of team and they spent on a QBOTF. If the cap was clean it would be one thing but 2024 was a rebuilding year to clean cap for 2025 and not use it on a qb unless he does extraordinary things. It has been that way since the beginning of 2024.

I will say this. If they let Darnold go and McCarthy is the starter next season, don't be surprised when they finish with 7-8 wins. As a Maestro, you don't just turn on the lights and lead the orchestra. Even though Darnold had bad experiences in New York and Carolina, he had experiences. You don't get those wearing a knee brace and holding a clip board. McCarthy won't be facing Maryland or the Gophers, with a far superior offensive line in front of him.

Except Sam may not be it (unless he is in the playoffs). They have JJM and maybe Jones in the bullpen. Odds are other QBs with bad prior coaches would take a pillow contract for 2025 just like SD now. Same thing happens with Flores on the other side.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 7:12:37 PM   
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Sam Darnold Lite under KOC light, Jim Harbaugh..

Sometimes the best bullets, are the ones you dodge from the get go..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 7:51:10 PM   
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IF McCarthy is the starter next year, I would guess 7 or 8 wins sounds about right (then again I was thinking about 4-13 with Darnold).

I would expect a step backwards, and am ok with that, as long as a Super Bowl is won in one of the following 2 seasons. McCarthy gives me promise, I am only going on feeling that he has the 'it' factor.

Unless Sam makes a big turnaround and wins the next 2 games, the Detroit game gave me the feeling that he doesn't have the 'it' factor, enough so that I am willing to go with the unknown, not Jaren Hall, but the 10th overall pick in the draft, JJ McCarthy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 7:54:16 PM   
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IF McCarthy is the starter next year, I would guess 7 or 8 wins sounds about right (then again I was thinking about 4-13 with Darnold).

I would expect a step backwards, and am ok with that, as long as a Super Bowl is won in one of the following 2 seasons. McCarthy gives me promise, I am only going on feeling that he has the 'it' factor.

Unless Sam makes a big turnaround and wins the next 2 games, the Detroit game gave me the feeling that he doesn't have the 'it' factor, enough so that I am willing to go with the unknown, not Jaren Hall, but the 10th overall pick in the draft, JJ McCarthy.

I’d Rethink your answer
With a 1/2 season of Kirk and a 1/2 of Mullens/Dobbs/Hall we got to 7 with a worse defense and 1/2 season of JJ.

KOC is a top coach and we have cap space.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 8:04:47 PM   
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Herbert
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Sam Darnold Lite under KOC light, Jim Harbaugh..

Sometimes the best bullets, are the ones you dodge from the get go..



He was garbage today for sure. But, he has THE worst skill position guys in the league. The fact that they actually made the playoffs with that offensive roster is a huge testament to Harbaugh.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 8:25:38 PM   
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For those of you having a great weekend so far let me remind you. We took Mike Hughes over Lamar Jackson
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2025 9:49:58 PM   
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For those of you having a great weekend so far let me remind you. We took Mike Hughes over Lamar Jackson

We also passed on Kyle Hamilton to move back and draft Cine…
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 6:51:01 AM   
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Mild Card weekend so far.

For the last half the 4th qtr Tomlin looked like he was constipated. Had a haunchy stance like he was trying to use gravity to help things along.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 7:55:58 AM   
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Just read the predictions in the Star Tribune about tomorrow's outcome and it was about 50/50. We need to get some serious pressure on Stafford and hopefully get a couple of picks. We saw what happened to Herbert yesterday so it is possible. Flores better be ready and Darnold that won 14 games better too. Let's go Vikings!!!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 8:34:50 AM   
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Really interesting topic just came up on NFL Live. They were talking about Watson's injury. According to him they are 68 in the red for the salary cap next year so they HAVE to go cheap at QB (this assumes he's done for all of 25).

His take "I would be on the phone with the Vikings as soon as the season ends and see what it takes to get JJM. They have 2 assets that may temp. Miles Garrett or the #2 overall pick."


Would you do either or 1 and a combo of something else?

Landing Travis Hunter would be dope.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 9:27:38 AM   
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Really interesting topic just came up on NFL Live. They were talking about Watson's injury. According to him they are 68 in the red for the salary cap next year so they HAVE to go cheap at QB (this assumes he's done for all of 25).

His take "I would be on the phone with the Vikings as soon as the season ends and see what it takes to get JJM. They have 2 assets that may temp. Miles Garrett or the #2 overall pick."


Would you do either or 1 and a combo of something else?

Landing Travis Hunter would be dope.


kwesi might be talking to some prospective suiters already....

"NFL general managers can discuss potential trades throughout the year, including during the offseason. However, official trades cannot be executed until the new league year begins, which typically starts in mid-March. As of January 11, 2025, while GMs can engage in preliminary discussions, they must wait until the commencement of the new league year to formalize any trades."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 9:38:14 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 9:45:09 AM   
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Mild Card weekend so far.

For the last half the 4th qtr Tomlin looked like he was constipated. Had a haunchy stance like he was trying to use gravity to help things along.



You would too if you had to chose between Wilson and Fields I'd rather start Mullens. Seriously.

LOL
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 9:49:48 AM   
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Really interesting topic just came up on NFL Live. They were talking about Watson's injury. According to him they are 68 in the red for the salary cap next year so they HAVE to go cheap at QB (this assumes he's done for all of 25).

His take "I would be on the phone with the Vikings as soon as the season ends and see what it takes to get JJM. They have 2 assets that may temp. Miles Garrett or the #2 overall pick."


Would you do either or 1 and a combo of something else?

Landing Travis Hunter would be dope.



I don't know man. I'm certainly no great judge of talent and I was forced to watch way to much Colorado football this year as my neighbor is from there. That said, I think that kid is overrated due to being Deion's champion and the fact that he plays both sides.

I say that based on this thought. If he were just a WR or just a CB, could you justify him being the best at either position coming out? He'll go top 5 for sure but he better be for that draft slot. I'm not sold that he is.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:24:14 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".


Giving our opponent bulletin board material. Jerk.

I want another crack at these ****ers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:42:16 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".


How would that work?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:43:04 AM   
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What else was Campbell supposed to say? Toss out a condescending lie like "Good game"?

I think it's a compliment, i.e. you guys will beat the Rams.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:45:21 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".

How would that work?

We beat the Rams and Wash/GB both lose.

Edit: sorry didn't catch that you highlighted 3 weeks

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:45:49 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".


Giving our opponent bulletin board material. Jerk.

I want another crack at these ****ers.


i read that somebody heard o'connell say to Campbell, "we're going to kick your asses up where you can smell them!"

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:46:57 AM   
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Mild Card weekend so far.

For the last half the 4th qtr Tomlin looked like he was constipated. Had a haunchy stance like he was trying to use gravity to help things along.



You would too if you had to chose between Wilson and Fields I'd rather start Mullens. Seriously.

LOL


I didn't see the game, but was Wilson bad?

20/29, 270 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, 0 FUM.

Looks like this loss was on the defense (and maybe the running game. 11/29/0...)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/12/2025 10:52:15 AM   
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I didn't really like it that Dan Campbell said "See you in 2 weeks" to KOC. He is getting in KOC's head, showing that he is a step ahead.

I wish KOC had responded to that with something like "If it's in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks, I guarantee you'll see a MUCH better Vikings' team than what you saw tonight".


There isn't enough time during the coaches handshake for KOC to give a War and Peace length reply.

But if he did say that, Campbell's best reaction would be a 'huh?' expression followed by a smile and a yeah-whatever nod.

Or come back and say they hope to be much better too by not having to play all backups at CB.

Or point at Darnold and say "What, with that guy??" and laugh it up.
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