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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

I said hold off on signing Darnold to a fat contract and stand by that. Personally, I would let him walk. Two big games and he played very poorly. Lots of guys have piled up a some nice stats over a small sample size and then reverted to the mean. I think we just saw that happen. He held the ball way too long, had poor pocket awareness and was wildly inaccurate. I can get that from D. Jones, and he is a better runner. Hard pass.

Coach up the rookie and spend the money some wanted to spend on a $40M+ QB for more help on defense and especially OL.

This team outkicked its coverage for performance for the year. BUFF, KC, BAL would have killed them. Hell, I think PHI would have criuhed them. Watch what happens to LAR when they head in there next week. Saquon is gonna go OFF!

Good post Lars. They were frauds. I'm actually glad I don't have to watch that wreck any more. Philly would've absolutely embarrassed us. Even on their bad day.

My hunch is Philly will be playing in the Super Bowl. They did everything they could to protect Hurts last weekend. At some point they will take off the gloves.

I wouldn't be shocked at all by that. Probably the most complete NFC team.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Even JJM is a bum. Not taking the manly surgery and being available this year.

Tore meniscus? 2 choices out 4 weeks with a chance of it getting worse or full year. Doctor decided that during the surgery of severity.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Here is the problem with the offense in the playoffs. The Vikings have a terrible marriage of pieces.
1. A bad offensive line
2. A QB who holds the ball too long
3. Plays that take too long to develop

This is exacerbated by the NFL being a copycat league. Teams know how to attack this offense now. Attack the middle of the o-line and make Darnold claustrophobic.

Fixing the O-line once and for all seems like the most important piece of the puzzle to me. They aren't going to fire O'Connell and bring in a new system featuring quick hitting offensive plays. Even if they were to do that, you still need a line upgrade that includes a center and guards who can fire off the ball and knock people backwards. With limited draft resources, they need to fix this mess via free agency. That requires money. The Vikings look to have a lot of cash to spend on the line if they don't do something like signing Darnold to a long term contract.

The last two games have shown one and all that Darnold isn't the guy. Darnold got no help from the line. On the other hand Darnold didn't have the look of someone determined to battle the adversity. He had a look of panic on a lot of occasions. Frankly, even Kirk Cousins looked more composed behind the same bad line than Darnold.

Let Darnold walk. Use that cap savings to finance an o-line upgrade. Use what few draft picks we have on corners who are young and fast enough to cover.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Even JJM is a bum. Not taking the manly surgery and being available this year.

Tore meniscus? 2 choices out 4 weeks with a chance of it getting worse or full year. Doctor decided that during the surgery of severity.

I doubt the decision was made on the fly. Everyone chose to go the safe route so there was a small chance the knee didn’t hurt as much in old age.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

I agree Brad! That's a luxury piece you throw in when you have established lines. Losing the trenches just to pay an overrated WR is beyond stupid.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

A lot of OL upgrades available this FA. Didn’t look like it to me.

I’d trade JJ to give us the draft stock to attack it. Plus a FA or 2 if you can find some.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

A lot of OL upgrades available this FA. Didn’t look like it to me.

I’d trade JJ to give us the draft stock to attack it. Plus a FA or 2 if you can find some.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

A lot of OL upgrades available this FA. Didn’t look like it to me.

I’d trade JJ to give us the draft stock to attack it. Plus a FA or 2 if you can find some.

I think a lot of trade options should be explored. I'd move Hock for middling draft picks in a heartbeat.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

I agree Brad! That's a luxury piece you throw in when you have established lines. Losing the trenches just to pay an overrated WR is beyond stupid.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Even JJM is a bum. Not taking the manly surgery and being available this year.

Tore meniscus? 2 choices out 4 weeks with a chance of it getting worse or full year. Doctor decided that during the surgery of severity.

I doubt the decision was made on the fly. Everyone chose to go the safe route so there was a small chance the knee didn’t hurt as much in old age.

Meniscus tears are nothing to screw around with. I'm sure the Vikings were just as much behind the decision as JJM. Try to just rehab and damage it worse and you are looking at pain and loss of mobility now, not when he is older. And the chance isn't small.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

I agree Brad! That's a luxury piece you throw in when you have established lines. Losing the trenches just to pay an overrated WR is beyond stupid.

Look at the past 10 or 15 Super Bowl winners. You'd be hard-pressed to find a diva wide receiver. Tyreek Hill was not a high-priced diva wide receiver until he left. Same with AJ Brown. They were both role players.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

I agree Brad! That's a luxury piece you throw in when you have established lines. Losing the trenches just to pay an overrated WR is beyond stupid.

Look at the past 10 or 15 Super Bowl winners. You'd be hard-pressed to find a diva wide receiver. Tyreek Hill was not a high-priced diva wide receiver until he left. Same with AJ Brown. They were both role players.

KC? Hopkins, Smith Schuster, Hardman, and Worthy? JJ and Addison aren't any more diva than that bunch.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wish I could go off the grid. Check in once a year after Championship Sunday and see if the Vikings made the SB. If they did…stay hooked up for a couple of weeks and enjoy. If not click off and only waste a tiny bit of time thinking about them.

I don’t want to go through all this again.

Me too, I long for the day when I feel the Vikings have the right football management in place to build a team from the ground up. I feel like every freaking year, we are filling holes on the ship. We fill one, but another one pops up.

I'm jealous of teams like KC, Det, Bal, Buffalo, Philly, etc.. They build their team from the draft, strong personnel departments, with young guys ready to take the reigns. We have none of that. A good season here or there, but it always seems somewhat fraudulent with few conerstones for the future.

Good point. We have bare cupboards when it comes to restocking. No depth.

Too much money spent on diva wide receivers. It has been the Vikings formula since they played outdoors. It's not how you win a Super Bowl.

I agree Brad! That's a luxury piece you throw in when you have established lines. Losing the trenches just to pay an overrated WR is beyond stupid.

Look at the past 10 or 15 Super Bowl winners. You'd be hard-pressed to find a diva wide receiver. Tyreek Hill was not a high-priced diva wide receiver until he left. Same with AJ Brown. They were both role players.

KC? Hopkins, Smith Schuster, Hardman, and Worthy? JJ and Addison aren't any more diva than that bunch.

I wouldn't consider any of those guys divas. They all understand their role on the team. Hopkins is one of the hardest workers in the game. He's making $13-million. Smith-Schuster is making $1.2-million. Worthy $3.5. Hardman, $1.125.

Jefferson is making $35-million. He makes more than all of them put together. It's not a recipe for long-term success.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

I think it’s safe to end the Darnold in 2025 talk now, eh?

As the game went on, I was trying to come with a figure of how much money these last two games have cost him. Leading into the Detroit game, the Darnold hyperbole was in overdrive. If he would have kept up or even come close to his first 16 game performance he could have named his price next year.

Now? Somebody will still sign him to be sure. They will pore over video and some ‘smartest guy in the room’ guru will think he’s identified what went wrong and can fix it. But at what price? Darnold has lost all leverage.

So what did it cost him on his next contract? I’d say the discussion starts at around $50 million loss.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

I think it’s safe to end the Darnold in 2025 talk now, eh?

As the game went on, I was trying to come with a figure of how much money these last two games have cost him. Leading into the Detroit game, the Darnold hyperbole was in overdrive. If he would have kept up or even come close to his first 16 game performance he could have named his price next year.

Now? Somebody will still sign him to be sure. They will pore over video and some ‘smartest guy in the room’ guru will think he’s identified what went wrong and can fix it. But at what price? Darnold has lost all leverage.

So what did it cost him on his next contract? I’d say the discussion starts at around $50 million loss.

Easily. I think it is closer to 100.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Dallas Turner unleashed. 8 snaps with 1 assisted tackle. With PJones out.

One of the 1st defensive picks off the board should explode onto the scene. We got a project.