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ORIGINAL: marty

The Achilles heel of the Vikings offensive could be offensive line coach Chris Kuper.

He should have been put on notice that his job is on the line.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Achilles heel of the Vikings offensive could be offensive line coach Chris Kuper.

He should have been put on notice that his job is on the line.

After that playoff debacle and the debacle vs the Lions....he should have been fired.

Screw putting him on notice. Just get him outta here.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

The Rams sacked Hurts 7 times. Last I checked the Eagles had a very good OL.

So kudos to the Rams. But that doesn't excuse the IOL, coach or no coach. Fire the OL coach too, whatever, but cut/release the IOL starters and Ingram.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

The Rams sacked Hurts 7 times. Last I checked the Eagles had a very good OL.

So kudos to the Rams. But that doesn't excuse the IOL, coach or no coach. Fire the OL coach too, whatever, but cut/release the IOL starters and Ingram.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

The Rams sacked Hurts 7 times. Last I checked the Eagles had a very good OL.

So kudos to the Rams. But that doesn't excuse the IOL, coach or no coach. Fire the OL coach too, whatever, but cut/release the IOL starters and Ingram.

Yeah the Rams are really good within 2 years of drafting a new DLine and LBs.....wish we could fix our oline that fast. GM of the year.

Considering their last 2 drafts: 2024: Kicker, Safety, Fiske, Verse, Corum 2023: Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Nakua

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

VikeFans
@VikeFans
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Fix IT! How bad has the MIN Offensive Line been? Brian O'Neill was a replacement Pro Bowler in 2021 & No other Viking linemen has been named to a Pro Bowl since 2012 (Matt Kalil). Last Guard to be a Pro Bowler? Steve Hutchison in 2009 (15 yrs). Last Center? Matt Birk (2007)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Flores not on the Jags radar:

https://share.newsbreak.com/b0wwi4zf

The last paragraph:

As things stand, Flores will likely be returning to the Vikings and that's a huge win for head coach Kevin O'Connell.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

The Rams sacked Hurts 7 times. Last I checked the Eagles had a very good OL.

So kudos to the Rams. But that doesn't excuse the IOL, coach or no coach. Fire the OL coach too, whatever, but cut/release the IOL starters and Ingram.

If Dalman and Trey Smith are allowed to hit FA, we better have an overpay offer ready to go. Fix this problem once and for all.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

The Rams sacked Hurts 7 times. Last I checked the Eagles had a very good OL.

So kudos to the Rams. But that doesn't excuse the IOL, coach or no coach. Fire the OL coach too, whatever, but cut/release the IOL starters and Ingram.

If Dalman and Trey Smith are allowed to hit FA, we better have an overpay offer ready to go. Fix this problem once and for all.

Dalman is the only FA center in PFF's to 75 free agent list. Chi Bears are rumored to be going hard for him, and Atlanta expected to try hard to retain (both with rookie QBs). Trey Smith, everyone and their mom are going to try and sign him. Dalman is expected to get 13M-15M Per, and Smith 20M plus. You sign those two, you are pretty much done in FA, and that's not if Dalman's price goes up in a bidding war. I expect both to hit FA, there's only one tag salary for o-line, so it's inflated for IOL because of T salaries. Only two guards have ever been tagged.

Will Fries (RG for Indy) actually had a higher PFF rating vs Nelson (LG for Indy, drafted top 10) before being injury. He has steadily progressed each year and might not be at his ceiling yet. I think the Vikings could get him for 13-15. If you cut Bradbury you have a dead cap hit of 2.4M and save 3.6M, which isn't great value. I'd get Will Fries and a top tier CB (quite a few options, I like Reed) as my two big FA's signings. I think you can go cheaper at Safety. Then I look at draft and pre-draft cap casualties, and see what the options area for LG and Center. Between the draft and those vets cut, you might find some good options.

I can't wait to move on from Bradbury, but if he's the weakest link on the line, I'm ok with another year with him. Plus with a rookie QB, it might be nice to have continuity with pass pro calls/etc.

Darrisaw, Brandel (hopefully he'll improve or an upgraded option), Bradbury, Will Fries, ONeil. This line, I think, is vastly improved over what we saw vs Detroit and LA in the playoffs. Bradbury's contract is done after 2025, so hoping Kwesi/KOC already have an exit strategy.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

Jeremiah Sirles and Alex Boone (who I wish was the Vikings OL coach) broke down the 9 sacks of Darnold against the Rams, and they had 4 or 5 of them on break downs from the OL, about 4 on Darnold (though a few more could also have been his fault, it's debatable).

Even if the Vikings improve a few of the players on the OL, if they're lacking in technique, or continuously making mental errors in big games, the line might be improved by an OL coach that has the unit playing very well in big games, instead of unit that tends to be nervous and is making errors.

VikeFans
@VikeFans
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Fix IT! How bad has the MIN Offensive Line been? Brian O'Neill was a replacement Pro Bowler in 2021 & No other Viking linemen has been named to a Pro Bowl since 2012 (Matt Kalil). Last Guard to be a Pro Bowler? Steve Hutchison in 2009 (15 yrs). Last Center? Matt Birk (2007)

Thats why my tag line hasn't changed in 15 years

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

I'm hoping KOCs extension gives him a big picture confidence boost.

He has to feel like, Darnold came out of nowhere and performed much much better than expected ... but didn't take us any farther than the last one-yr contract dude.

I have no idea if JJM is 'the guy', has 'it' or whatever. But he's KOCs guy presumably (or these people know absolutely nothing about what they're doing).

Time to stand on your own choices. Cousins was not that. Darnold's one year contract infers that he was not that.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

I'm hoping KOCs extension gives him a big picture confidence boost.

He has to feel like, Darnold came out of nowhere and performed much much better than expected ... but didn't take us any farther than the last one-yr contract dude.

I have no idea if JJM is 'the guy', has 'it' or whatever. But he's KOCs guy presumably (or these people know absolutely nothing about what they're doing).

Time to stand on your own choices. Cousins was not that. Darnold's one year contract infers that he was not that.

Yeah I am eating crow on Sam and he still isn't the guy.....tells you how much difference the top 4-7 QBs are to the rest. Currently: Lamar, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Jayden......then the rest who aren't worth it (big $$).

Sometimes you can't see it until they are in the playoffs.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

I'm hoping KOCs extension gives him a big picture confidence boost.

He has to feel like, Darnold came out of nowhere and performed much much better than expected ... but didn't take us any farther than the last one-yr contract dude.

I have no idea if JJM is 'the guy', has 'it' or whatever. But he's KOCs guy presumably (or these people know absolutely nothing about what they're doing).

Time to stand on your own choices. Cousins was not that. Darnold's one year contract infers that he was not that.

Yeah I am eating crow on Sam and he still isn't the guy.....tells you how much difference the top 4-7 QBs are to the rest. Currently: Lamar, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Jayden......then the rest who aren't worth it (big $$).

Sometimes you can't see it until they are in the playoffs.

Jayden Daniels has had a great rookie season, but CJ Stroud had a good one last year...so Either He should be included, because this year wasn't terrible or Daniels should be removed.

What about Justin Herbert?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold is gone.

Need at least two IOL, preferably three but there are other needs.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold is gone.

Need at least two IOL, preferably three but there are other needs.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold is gone.

Need at least two IOL, preferably three but there are other needs.

When you make that proclamation, he’s gone.

When I make it, they announce a Sam extension within the hour.

So I’ll continue to step gingerly.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

I'm hoping KOCs extension gives him a big picture confidence boost.

He has to feel like, Darnold came out of nowhere and performed much much better than expected ... but didn't take us any farther than the last one-yr contract dude.

I have no idea if JJM is 'the guy', has 'it' or whatever. But he's KOCs guy presumably (or these people know absolutely nothing about what they're doing).

Time to stand on your own choices. Cousins was not that. Darnold's one year contract infers that he was not that.

Yeah I am eating crow on Sam and he still isn't the guy.....tells you how much difference the top 4-7 QBs are to the rest. Currently: Lamar, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Jayden......then the rest who aren't worth it (big $$).

Sometimes you can't see it until they are in the playoffs.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Wish I could get into KOC’s head on what he wants to do with Darnold. If he’s eager to tie us to him for years I’ll probably start paying less attention.
Anticipating JJM’s story beginning is the big thing for next year. I want Kevin to be steadfast in sticking with the plan.

I watched his last press conference.....he didn't sound like a coach excited about keeping Sam.

I'm hoping KOCs extension gives him a big picture confidence boost.

He has to feel like, Darnold came out of nowhere and performed much much better than expected ... but didn't take us any farther than the last one-yr contract dude.

I have no idea if JJM is 'the guy', has 'it' or whatever. But he's KOCs guy presumably (or these people know absolutely nothing about what they're doing).

Time to stand on your own choices. Cousins was not that. Darnold's one year contract infers that he was not that.

Yeah I am eating crow on Sam and he still isn't the guy.....tells you how much difference the top 4-7 QBs are to the rest. Currently: Lamar, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Jayden......then the rest who aren't worth it (big $$).

Sometimes you can't see it until they are in the playoffs.

For sure, and not just one playoff game.

Was Kirk’s game winner to Rudolph his first playoff game? Not sure.

Regardless, I don’t know what an adequate sample size is, different players and situations …

But somebody who seems to relish the moment, like Daniels, has to be an indicator. You can also tell when the moment is too big for some QBs.