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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think that’s enough football for me this year.

Gonna be KC vs Philly and I’m say hard pass. 2 fan bases that don’t need and or deserve happiness.

Wonder if people are still running on - this season was pleasant bc I didn’t expect anything.

I wish I ignored the whole season.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think that’s enough football for me this year.

Gonna be KC vs Philly and I’m say hard pass. 2 fan bases that don’t need and or deserve happiness.

Wonder if people are still running on - this season was pleasant bc I didn’t expect anything.

I wish I ignored the whole season.

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ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Everything sucks. Everyone is a bum.

Once the SB ends you get that void you have to deal with. I loath this SB matchup so the void starts now. With some stank on it. Some stanky ass void.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I already 'knew' it but it was totally reinforced yesterday watching both those games. We would stand no chance against Philly (or KC for that matter) with the way we are constructed. Multiple people have mentioned the short passing games and they are right. It eats us up and we don't use it. Both huge negatives.

Also though, those games showed just how soft the middle of our lines are. We would have been destroyed up the middle on both sides of the ball.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

this is exactly what the rams did to us in our playoff game...came out with quick, short, easy passes....

whatever o'connell was calling for darnold, it sure as hell wasn't anything like that....

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

this is exactly what the rams did to us in our playoff game...came out with quick, short, easy passes....

whatever o'connell was calling for darnold, it sure as hell wasn't anything like that....

Again, the short passes were there all game. KOC can't force Darnold to throw them.

I guess he could call plays that have no one going more than 10 or 15 yards downfield, but that creates other problems...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Phil Mackey thoughts on backup QB next year.

Let’s say Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones both leave in free agency…

Which of these guys would you want entering Minnesota Vikings QB Rehab School?

Zach Wilson
Justin Fields
Mac Jones
Trey Lance

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Phil Mackey thoughts on backup QB next year.

Let’s say Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones both leave in free agency…

Which of these guys would you want entering Minnesota Vikings QB Rehab School?

Zach Wilson
Justin Fields
Mac Jones
Trey Lance

I listened to that pod yesterday. Basically they were:

Wilson - if KOC thinks enough of him
Fields - yes
Jones - maybe but kinda 'blah'
Lance - no way

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Phil Mackey thoughts on backup QB next year.

Let’s say Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones both leave in free agency…

Which of these guys would you want entering Minnesota Vikings QB Rehab School?

Zach Wilson
Justin Fields
Mac Jones
Trey Lance

I listened to that pod yesterday. Basically they were:

Wilson - if KOC thinks enough of him
Fields - yes
Jones - maybe but kinda 'blah'
Lance - no way

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

this is exactly what the rams did to us in our playoff game...came out with quick, short, easy passes....

whatever o'connell was calling for darnold, it sure as hell wasn't anything like that....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

this is exactly what the rams did to us in our playoff game...came out with quick, short, easy passes....

whatever o'connell was calling for darnold, it sure as hell wasn't anything like that....

Its kind of a perfect storm of an OC that wants to attack downfield first, get his superstar wr targets second, and third, a Lamonica type passer that scans and waits on the deep route first before settling for the middle and scoffing at the short. And fourth, an IOL fiasco that is no accident or injury replacement surprise.

Sure thats a gross oversimplification, but as Levine and others keep pointing out, short options were often available.

Not looking at the short options is not just the QB though. Based on Sam consistently holding on to the ball too long over the course of the season … I do blame KOC for not whispering harder about focusing on different levels, calling more two step drops, etc.

I know its hard to self-critique yourself when you’re rolling to 14-3 but this offense shut down at the end of 2022 also.

We keep getting spanked by teams that are embarrassingly spanked in their next game. That says something about how close we are.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

All 4 teams today had really good short passing games.

They perfected it with play design, motions, execution, and all were helped by having QBs that could run.

The Vikings could add beef to the interior OL, add a great RB, but still fall short to any of the teams that played today, because the Vikings are relying too heavily on a deeper passing game (which a lot could still be Darnold, but some of it is KOC).

The Vikings seem to have gotten away from a lot of motion, to simplify things, but it would be good if they could still have some of it in there, while still getting to the line quickly to call the next play.

KC came out hitting those short rhythm passes and made their 1st td look easy. Also, being able to run the ball is a must. I liked how Buf came out in the 2nd half and played bully ball.

Hope O'Connell was taking notes.

this is exactly what the rams did to us in our playoff game...came out with quick, short, easy passes....

whatever o'connell was calling for darnold, it sure as hell wasn't anything like that....

Its kind of a perfect storm of an OC that wants to attack downfield first, get his superstar wr targets second, and third, a Lamonica type passer that scans and waits on the deep route first before settling for the middle and scoffing at the short. And fourth, an IOL fiasco that is no accident or injury replacement surprise.

Sure thats a gross oversimplification, but as Levine and others keep pointing out, short options were often available.

Not looking at the short options is not just the QB though. Based on Sam consistently holding on to the ball too long over the course of the season … I do blame KOC for not whispering harder about focusing on different levels, calling more two step drops, etc.

I know its hard to self-critique yourself when you’re rolling to 14-3 but this offense shut down at the end of 2022 also.

We keep getting spanked by teams that are embarrassingly spanked in their next game. That says something about how close we are.

True.

But its very likely that it's Sam's fatal flaw and the reason such a highly regarded draft pick has struggled so much in his career. Over aggression has always been his biggest red flag. We saw on film, time and time again the last 2 games, where he'd look off the underneath target and hold the ball while looking for a bigger play. And a handful of those underneath throws would've been for easy TDs. But instead turned into sacks or incompletitions.