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Some minds are soo open that empty space is jealous…

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Some minds are soo open that empty space is jealous…

My comment came across like a holier than thou jackass …

which I am.

But it wasn’t directed at anybody … I should have said, if we are open-minded about this … the offensive strategy behind the abysmal player performances … leaves a lot to be desired.

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The Philadelphia Eagles had 1,000 more rushing yards than the Minnesota #Vikings BEFORE contact was made... 😬😳

ONE. THOUSAND!

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

Yes. His refusal to pull a guy that wasn't seeing the field at all for whatever reason was part of it.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

Yes. His refusal to pull a guy that wasn't seeing the field at all for whatever reason was part of it.

Looking on the bench and seeing Mullens is like picking the last person in dodgeball.

Now if it was JJM or even Jones if he knew the playbook then maybe.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

Yes. His refusal to pull a guy that wasn't seeing the field at all for whatever reason was part of it.

Looking on the bench and seeing Mullens is like picking the last person in dodgeball.

Now if it was JJM or even Jones if he knew the playbook then maybe.

That may be true. How many years is he going to have that excuse? Kind of like the interior offensive line. How many years will that be an excuse? He didn't just get here. Like I said, many areas of improvement for lots of people including KOC.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

Yes. His refusal to pull a guy that wasn't seeing the field at all for whatever reason was part of it.

Looking on the bench and seeing Mullens is like picking the last person in dodgeball.

Now if it was JJM or even Jones if he knew the playbook then maybe.

That may be true. How many years is he going to have that excuse? Kind of like the interior offensive line. How many years will that be an excuse? He didn't just get here. Like I said, many areas of improvement for lots of people including KOC.

The IOL has been a systemic failure long before KOC got here.

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I think that’s enough football for me this year.

Gonna be KC vs Philly and I’m say hard pass. 2 fan bases that don’t need and or deserve happiness.

Wonder if people are still running on - this season was pleasant bc I didn’t expect anything.

I wish I ignored the whole season.

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For me there's no debate. I saw time after time in the last two games, Darnold staring down crossers, slants, etc and not throw the ball. Anyone remember the sound mike play in the Rams game? KOC tells SD that Addison is primary read on a deep route, and if it's not there THROW IT AWAY!. Ball snapped, Addison is open, SD is looking in that direction, does NOT pull the trigger. Then doesn't throw it away and takes a sack.

WTF is else a coach supposed to do????

No No No Pager it is all KOC's Fault....

Its been discussed ad nauseum how much of a choke job both Cousins and Darnold dropped in their playoff games.

And how pathetic the IOL lines have been.

I have yet to read one post from anybody that blames KOC for pushing the offense off a cliff in both his playoff games.

But if you have an open mind, he had his part as well.

KOC is definitely not blameless. His slow developing plays have bugged me from day 1. He makes some ridiculous in game decisions,like when to use a gadget play. His clock management is at atrocious. I agree with you, except the Vikings offense didn't go off a cliff against the Giants until the check down choke.

Point taken.

Although my feeble memory is going 13-4 while playing badly against the last three decent teams we played in 2022, and playing to a standstill against a not very good NYG defense in the playoffs.

So I’ll revise my comment from being pushed off a cliff to running head first into a sinkhole filled with lava.

If he is overachieving during the regular season with Talent given too him.....who do you blame? I guess Kwesi but it is the same thing Tomlin is going thru......not enough talent on the Team.

9 points on offense in the final 2 games isn't enough even if I agree we're outmatched in the talent department. There are plenty of areas to improve including KOC.

Find a coach that is better than KOC and available....good luck.
I think you know the answer for 9 points being scored already.

Yes. His refusal to pull a guy that wasn't seeing the field at all for whatever reason was part of it.

Looking on the bench and seeing Mullens is like picking the last person in dodgeball.

Now if it was JJM or even Jones if he knew the playbook then maybe.

That may be true. How many years is he going to have that excuse? Kind of like the interior offensive line. How many years will that be an excuse? He didn't just get here. Like I said, many areas of improvement for lots of people including KOC.

The IOL has been a systemic failure long before KOC got here.

Well Mike Zimmer isn't here. It's up to Kwesi and KOC to fix it. If anything it's gotten worse over the last 3 years.

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Why Bradbury remains our starting center, bad back and all, is a frustrating mystery..

Not one other option, ever?

Yeesh..

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Why Bradbury remains our starting center, bad back and all, is a frustrating mystery..

Not one other option, ever?

Yeesh..

No cap hell to use as an excuse finally in 2025. Oline has to be addressed and the haunting it has created was spoken about in one of the last few games by KOC in a presser after a game.

KOC first two years it was a tight cap and maybe the reason Kwesi traded down his first year. Of course it didn’t work but there was a reason.

Even last year there was a ton of dead cap yet the work on the roster and many of the moves ended up aces.

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Why Bradbury remains our starting center, bad back and all, is a frustrating mystery..

Not one other option, ever?

Yeesh..

No cap hell to use as an excuse finally in 2025. Oline has to be addressed and the haunting it has created was spoken about in one of the last few games by KOC in a presser after a game.

KOC first two years it was a tight cap and maybe the reason Kwesi traded down his first year. Of course it didn’t work but there was a reason.

Even last year there was a ton of dead cap yet the work on the roster and many of the moves ended up aces.

Even so... I think it's unlikely they replace all 3 interior in one season.
My guess is Bradbury is back.

Hoping for 1 stud G and 1 mid tier G signing.

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Yards per carry: 2024: 4.2, 2023: 4.0 2022: 4.1.
Yards before first contact/per attempt: 2024: 2.4 2023: 2.42 2022: 2.45
Time to throw: 2024: 2.68 sec (2nd best in NFL). 2023: 2.58 2022: 2.55
Sacks: 2024: 48 2023: 46 2022: 46

2024 is also with Robinson at T for 12 games.

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Yards per carry: 2024: 4.2, 2023: 4.0 2022: 4.1.
Yards before first contact/per attempt: 2024: 2.4 2023: 2.42 2022: 2.45
Time to throw: 2024: 2.68 sec (2nd best in NFL). 2023: 2.58 2022: 2.55
Sacks: 2024: 48 2023: 46 2022: 46

2024 is also with Robinson at T for 12 games.

Time to throw is a misleading stat. The timer goes until the QB gets rid of the ball or gets sacked. A QB who holds the ball, waiting for downfield options to open will look like he is getting more time than a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly.