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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2025 11:44:22 PM

Mark Anderson

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Congratulations to Coach Kevin O'Connell,
for being elected NFL Coach of the Year!!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/7/2025 8:47:29 AM

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Congratulations to Coach Kevin O'Connell,
for being elected NFL Coach of the Year!!!

Did anyone else see Sean Payton squirming in his seat when KOC was announced?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 8:51:02 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 9:00:36 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 9:39:50 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Me neither. Many of us have criticized his slow developing plays, his clock mismanagement, his situational play calling, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 9:41:36 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 2/9/2025 10:10:13 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 10:26:21 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 11:06:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Too bad that's not his job...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 11:14:05 AM

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Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Funny. Indeed. The hypocrisy.

Darnold choked his final two games as a viking . Cousins choked his final two plays as a viking.

By comparison, you offer reverential excuses for Sam and grinding condemnation for Kirk.

Some of us note the similarities and differences between the two. As well as common elements like KOC, who has been called out by a lot of ‘you guys.’

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/9/2025 1:08:29 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 12:08:28 PM

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I wonder, would it be easier to teach and develop a good short passing game with a QB like Sam, than it would be to take a QB that had a good short passing game, and teach and develop that QB to throw really good deep stuff ?

I think Sam could be taught to develop a good short passing game, but it is surprising he didn't pick up the importance of that with SF, and it also seemed like it was more than just a lack of ability to complete short passes the last 2 games, it seemed like Sam was very nervous, timing and accuracy were both poor.

Would it be possible to get a talented QB like to settle down ? Does he have the heart of a champion, the competitive drive to want to beat the opposition?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 1:29:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 1:30:10 PM

Phil Riewer

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I wonder, would it be easier to teach and develop a good short passing game with a QB like Sam, than it would be to take a QB that had a good short passing game, and teach and develop that QB to throw really good deep stuff ?

I think Sam could be taught to develop a good short passing game, but it is surprising he didn't pick up the importance of that with SF, and it also seemed like it was more than just a lack of ability to complete short passes the last 2 games, it seemed like Sam was very nervous, timing and accuracy were both poor.

Would it be possible to get a talented QB like to settle down ? Does he have the heart of a champion, the competitive drive to want to beat the opposition?

Sam needs to read quicker. At times short passes and hot reads are needed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 2:37:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 3:49:30 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 5:01:26 PM

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Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 7:51:38 PM

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It's not a good year to tank when you have no draft picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 8:43:18 PM

Phil Riewer

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Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

Rethink those extremes.

"Many" were not advocating tanking. I damn sure was during the 0-3 start. But then we went 1-3, 1-4 (still a chance!), then 2-4 which put a damper on things.

As for this year, "many" did not think they should have beat everyone. Most were realistic, thought anything after at least 16 games was gravy, etc.

2023 you weren’t?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 9:52:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/9/2025 10:16:32 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Funny, you guys rip the quarterback that got the Vikings to 15-2 because he didnt play well in the final two games but you praise a coach that was horrific in those two games.

Not me. I put the anointing oil away long ago.

Same

I got off the KOC bandwagon after the first Detoilet game, and his idiotic choices of play calls, like trick plays at THE WORST POSSIBLE game situations.

He better get his offensive line fixed or his rookie quarterback won't win nine games.

Overpaying Sam won’t help fix the oline. KOC overachieved but then you get into the playoffs and talent matters plus your qb has to perform.

Talent, QB … AND your OC has to put them in the right situations. KOC can’t throw the ball for Darnold so play to play you have to start at the QB in meltdown. But taken drive by drive, qtr by qtr in both games, COTYKOC was not calling playoff caliber plays. Thete are other variables, ofcourse, but if those two are going to hog the credit for the reg season …

You can’t tell me the Giants or hobbled Lions had more talent on defense than we did on offense. IOL vs DT ok.

Otherwise, we got bullied.

Neither the 2022 or the 2024 team went into the playoffs prepared or with good gameplans. Or with adequate adjustments throughout the game.

Giants and Vikes game was a one score game. Lions game with a normal Sam game would have been closer.

We had probably a better roster than GB and Washington in the playoffs in the NFC. Lots of roster work to be done.

Weird many said tank last year and now they should of beat everyone this year.

The Giants were the worst team in the playoffs. A one score game does nothing for your argument.

‘If’ normal Sam …? If the Lions team bus had driven into a lake, they would have forfeited the game. So what. Stick to what happened (Glenn outcoached KOC and made Darnold look like pre-vikings Darnold).

I can’t even address your last two comments … I’m not smart enough to see how they follow.

I’m not trying to bust your chops Phil … KOC has to take some blame for both teams he led into the playoffs. If he loses his next one, 0-3 puts him in the history books with the only other two coaches to do that (one is buddy Ryan … cant remember the other).

I want KOC to slam dunk 2025. The playoffs … the reg season is just for shits and giggles.

Pretty simple. He is a top coach who overachieved in 22 and 24 with at best a top 10 qb and lesser talent than the majority in the playoffs.

Say what you want about the Rams and Giants in those years but it wasn’t like we had the 98 and 09 teams in terms of talent. You still need a top talent team to win it all.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 3:46:40 AM

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The good part is the Vikings still have a chance to be the 1st NFL team to ever win 3 Super Bowls in a row.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 3:47:58 AM

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Hurts had the sorta game I can envision McCarthy having in the Super Bowl.

Mostly short passes, not making mistakes, with the run game being the main thing the opposing team is concerned about.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 3:50:15 AM

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The Vikings just need a very good RB, some improvements at interior OL, and a couple of pieces on defense.

The Vikings need 1 great DT, and 1 great CB, along with a few other decent young players in the 2ndary, and the defense can become dominant, where Flores doesn't have to blitz so often.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 6:31:36 AM

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Let's try being competitive in a playoff game before we start talking 3peats.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 6:32:54 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Based on what I saw yesterday I want ZERO part of any Chiefs olinemen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/10/2025 7:28:21 AM

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Yes, size does matter. After watching the Super Bowl there is no doubt we need to get bigger on both the offensive and defensive lines. Philly just used their size to dominate Holmes and the Chiefs (which I enjoyed). Not an Eagles fan, but they do provide a blueprint for what is needed in today's NFL to succeed. Let's hope Kwesi comes through during free agency and maybe even the draft.

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