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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 2:58:37 PM   
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O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.


i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....


IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?



What does that even mean?

You believe KOC may elect to play the bottom of the barrel guys and have Greenard, Phillips, etc sit??

Greenard is a OLB.

I'm talking about DLine. Right now we have Phillips, Tillery and Bullard starting. With Roy, 7th Rounder and JWilliams as backups.

Do we sign Campbell even though he is probably a guy a contender signs(because of age) or see if the youngsters can play?


I think that is the position they are punting on. Phillips, Bullard, and Roy are the holdovers and Tillary and Williams are slight improvements from last year (hoping Tillary can come thru). I think they sign another corner.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 3:02:33 PM   
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O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.


i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....


IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?



What does that even mean?

You believe KOC may elect to play the bottom of the barrel guys and have Greenard, Phillips, etc sit??

Greenard is a OLB.

I'm talking about DLine. Right now we have Phillips, Tillery and Bullard starting. With Roy, 7th Rounder and JWilliams as backups.

Do we sign Campbell even though he is probably a guy a contender signs(because of age) or see if the youngsters can play?


I think that is the position they are punting on. Phillips, Bullard, and Roy are the holdovers and Tillary and Williams are slight improvements from last year (hoping Tillary can come thru). I think they sign another corner.

I just read we are in on Tyler Boyd. That won't be cheap.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 3:27:38 PM   
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O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.


i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....


IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?



What does that even mean?

You believe KOC may elect to play the bottom of the barrel guys and have Greenard, Phillips, etc sit??

Greenard is a OLB.

I'm talking about DLine. Right now we have Phillips, Tillery and Bullard starting. With Roy, 7th Rounder and JWilliams as backups.

Do we sign Campbell even though he is probably a guy a contender signs(because of age) or see if the youngsters can play?


OK, what gives you any kind of impression they would start Roy, 7th rounder, and UFDAs over those guys.

And Greenard, Turner, and Co. WILL see time on the DL if Flores stays true to form. He advocates positionless schemes maybe more than anyone. AND in total, the DL guys I believe set a record for fewest snaps.

So, your question is basically whether KOC will play the "young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs)" over Phillips, Bullard, Tillery, Greenard, Turner, and maybe Van Winkle. A non-starter is probably the most generous answer for that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 3:44:26 PM   
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For the Vikings, 'defensive lineman' gets a new definition under Brian Flores

Harrison Phillips was the only lineman among the 12 players who played at least 50% of the Vikings' defensive snaps vs. the Carolina Panthers.

There might be no position more emblematic of the Vikings, through the first 62 seasons of the team's history, than defensive line.

Of the 27 members in the Vikings Ring of Honor, seven are defensive linemen, more than any other position. The most famous position group in Vikings history, the Purple People Eaters, includes two members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame (Alan Page and Carl Eller) and another player (Jim Marshall) who was a finalist for the 2004 class. Four Vikings defensive linemen — Page, Eller, Chris Doleman and John Randle — are enshrined in Canton. Only the offensive line, with five players, makes up a larger share of the Vikings' 15-member Hall of Fame class.

Through the first four games of the team's 63rd season, though, the definition of the position is changing.

Under Brian Flores, the Vikings construct their defensive fronts independent of static position definitions. On some plays, like Harrison Smith's strip sack of Bryce Young on Sunday against the Panthers, the Vikings might present a seven-man pressure look with two down linemen, four linebackers and a safety off the edge. On others, like a pair of third-and-long snaps in the second quarter, they might show a three-man front where three linebackers — all of them former defensive linemen in a 4-3 scheme — rush the quarterback, while linebacker Jordan Hicks drops into coverage with seven defensive backs.

On Sunday, the Vikings had 12 defensive players who were on the field for at least 50% of their defensive snaps. Just one (Harrison Phillips) is listed on their roster as a defensive lineman.

It's all part of a shift that has unhitched defenses from traditional position definitions, as teams have sought ways to deal with more complex offenses and prized players who can operate in space. It started when the Vikings moved from the 4-3 base defense they'd used for decades to a 3-4 under coach Kevin O'Connell, turning their primary pass rushers from defensive linemen to stand-up edge rushers who could move around the formation. Flores' systems, which he first honed under Bill Belichick in New England, have taken it a step further.

Against the Eagles in Week 2, Flores debuted a package with one defensive lineman, five linebackers and five defensive backs to take away Jalen Hurts' run-pass option plays. The Eagles countered by running for 259 yards, with Hurts handing off 13 more times than he threw. The Vikings, though, had planned for Marcus Davenport to lend a physical presence to the package; he played only four snaps because of an ankle injury.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 4:08:32 PM   
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O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.


i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....


IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?



What does that even mean?

You believe KOC may elect to play the bottom of the barrel guys and have Greenard, Phillips, etc sit??

Greenard is a OLB.

I'm talking about DLine. Right now we have Phillips, Tillery and Bullard starting. With Roy, 7th Rounder and JWilliams as backups.

Do we sign Campbell even though he is probably a guy a contender signs(because of age) or see if the youngsters can play?


OK, what gives you any kind of impression they would start Roy, 7th rounder, and UFDAs over those guys.

And Greenard, Turner, and Co. WILL see time on the DL if Flores stays true to form. He advocates positionless schemes maybe more than anyone. AND in total, the DL guys I believe set a record for fewest snaps.

So, your question is basically whether KOC will play the "young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs)" over Phillips, Bullard, Tillery, Greenard, Turner, and maybe Van Winkle. A non-starter is probably the most generous answer for that.

I'll put it this way.

Roy, Rodriguez and UFDA guy would be rotational players(if good enough). Campbell kicks one of our young guys out of rotation. That's all I'm getting at.

Also, the 1 DLineman, 5 LB alignment was a disaster. Maybe once in a while on obvious passing downs but not as a regular set.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 6:03:06 PM   
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A few people post about JJs money-related comments, Kwesi's over the top serenades, and JJs meaningless playoff impact. So what. They are all true.

I personally don't believe he's worth $30+ million but that is today's NFL. Unlike Phil, I don't believe the contract has been done "for some time now". I believe there is a hold up on the % of guaranteed money. I hope the TEAM sticks to their policy regarding guaranteed money for non-QBs.



According to Purple Daily (on a pod months ago) they already broke that policy with Hock. Not sure that it matters but....

They also seem to agree with you that the holdup is guaranteed money.

Hock was bad contract. Looks they are doubling down with JJ. The only rationale I see is that they are making sure McCarthy has great weapons as he transitions in.

Trading for Hock, while exciting, was actually pretty fricken dumb with a looming TE rich draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 7:35:21 PM   
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His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

I didn’t call him a choking loser..

He is a money grubbing diva who thinks he’s gods gift to football receivers and he’s no moss by a mile.

He’s buddy buddy with AP..
The same player that was kicked to the curb and publicly despised and reviled by many and was happily cut loose when Mr gods greaetpurple Jesus running back want more and more money.

Jefferson might be a great player, but based on what he has done, and the fact that even with Mr mediocrity at QB, we won multiple games as Mr Griddy sat on the sidelines.

He overvalues himself and he sees this franchise, which has way overpaid for so called talent, multiple times in the past..as his ticket to generational wealth.

I.dont. Like. It.

He. Is .not.worth.it.

He can sucker ANY other franchise for his generational wealth.

We have far better uses for the cap money he wants to tie up.

33 touchdowns in 4 years… over the course of 60 games.. pedestrian. A whopping 3.3 points a game on average.

You think he deserves more money than Travis Kelce?

I do not.

Not even close to Kelce’s game effect talent.

I’d rather have Kelce than the diva who want to break the bank for his average of 3.3 points per game..

Most FG kickers contribute more.

**** the diva…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 8:49:43 PM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 9:30:08 PM  1 votes
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 9:38:59 PM  1 votes
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..

That's not brain, that's all the playdough he stuffed up his nose as a kid.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/30/2024 9:42:38 PM   
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Should start to see some ok vets start to get released. The post draft wave.

IOL. please.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 6:32:47 AM   
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I was very nervous going into this draft. We had to get a franchise QB, but it seemed we needed a willing trading partner to get one. I always thought that it would be crazy for the Patriots to trade back. When you have a chance to get a franchise QB you have to get one because you never know when that chance comes again.

I was so relieved that they were able to get McCarthy. He's a winner on every level that he's played at- a great leader. The intangibles are very much underrated, in my opinion. I watched a number of Michigan games this past season and I liked what I saw from him. I especially am happy that we got McCarthy because he's from Michigan. One of my daughters lives in Michigan and her husband is a huge Wolverines fan. He loves McCarthy and promised me that he will root for the Vikings now, as long as they are not playing the Lions.

Getting Turner out of this draft and keeping the first for next year can not be overstated. It is very realistic to believe that the Vikings could get another top ten in the draft next year and hopefully it could be a force in the middle of the defensive line. Turner could be the most athletic defensive player in the draft and he's young with a huge upside. We don't know really what we have now, but he is a very promising player.

For those who are wondering how I am doing, I am doing well. My health is good. You may remember that I was a survivor of a serious bout with Covid where I was unconscious for three weeks. I was able to return to work, but I am telling everyone that I am retired now, even though I work ten hours a week. (That's nothing, but for a guy turning 71 later this month it's not really that easy.)

I've been frustrated with the lack of success of the local Pro teams. No championships since I returned to Minnesota 32 years ago. Nevertheless, it does feel like to me that perhaps our local fortunes are turning. The Timberwolves swept another team in the playoffs for the first time ever. The Twins have won 9 games in a row. The Vikings were fortunate enough to get a franchise QB. (Well, we can hope that's the case.) Perhaps the Wild can do better after they rid themselves of some legacy contracts and I wish them good luck in their upcoming draft.

So I wish everyone here well, too. God bless you all and go Vikings!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 6:57:25 AM   
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Welcome back Bruce. Glad all is well with ya.

While I'm on the fence regarding McCarthy I find Turner a very intriguing player.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 7:27:44 AM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..


Some will get paid on the roster....this BS about no one getting paid is getting old but I thought the insane bitching about Kirk would stop. Nope now the attention got turned and every poster is aware of it.

Everyone can see which brains are struggling with it. About 15 driveling, double-spaced sentences about JJ. Whose brain has issues again?

250 million in cap...median pay is 5 million. St Brown just got 30 some a year....you may want to re address your stance. They will guarantee 3 years probably of a 5 year contract. Then at his age 28-29 they can let him go. Not happening when he is 24.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 7:30:10 AM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..

That's not brain, that's all the playdough he stuffed up his nose as a kid.


Did you test your attempt at a joke at a local Comedy Club before using? Tomatoes would be flying Tom---you aren't that funny dude. To mention brains after some of your attempts at being funny...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 7:56:55 AM   
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Final results of the players acquired with everything that was exchanged by the Vikings and Lions in the T.J. Hockenson trade in 2022...

VIKINGS:

T.J. Hockenson - TE
Jay Ward - S
J.J. McCarthy - QB

LIONS:

Hendon Hooker - QB
Terrion Arnold - CB
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 8:29:51 AM   
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Hey Bruce. Good to see a post from you.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 8:58:25 AM   
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VIKINGS:

T.J. Hockenson - TE
Jay Ward - S
J.J. McCarthy - QB

LIONS:

Hendon Hooker - QB
Terrion Arnold - CB
11:46 AM · Apr 30, 2024


Over the next three years the Vikings will spend about $57-million while the Lions will spend about $15-million. That's what I see.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 8:59:42 AM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..

That's not brain, that's all the playdough he stuffed up his nose as a kid.


Did you test your attempt at a joke at a local Comedy Club before using? Tomatoes would be flying Tom---you aren't that funny dude. To mention brains after some of your attempts at being funny...

Yes, my aim was low. My comment deserved your response.

I’m done for awhile. Lately, seems like I come in to vent instead of just talk football.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 9:04:56 AM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..

That's not brain, that's all the playdough he stuffed up his nose as a kid.


Did you test your attempt at a joke at a local Comedy Club before using? Tomatoes would be flying Tom---you aren't that funny dude. To mention brains after some of your attempts at being funny...

Yes, my aim was low. My comment deserved your response.

I’m done for awhile. Lately, seems like I come in to vent instead of just talk football.

It does get away from a person at times ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 9:55:32 AM   
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It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.


Letting Hunter go for nothing is KAM's second dumbest move since he got here. Compounded by the fact that he made his decision based on the players telling him they wanted him to stay. What are the supposed to say "yeah, man, trade him".

I've liked a lot of what he's done this offseason but man has had some massive head scratchers.


They signed three younger guys for almost the same price that actually are more flexible....I doubt it was a Kwesi decision. If Flores was totally in on Hunter he would have stayed.


Personally I think Hunter leaving was a foregone conclusion when he signed his last contract with us specifically making it so that the Vikings wouldn't put the tag on him. He WANTED to test free agency and with our cap issues there was no way we could keep him.


That's my point. The move, for the good of the team moving forward, was to get something for him. We may get a lousy comp pick at best.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 10:14:08 AM   
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Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..


Some will get paid on the roster....this BS about no one getting paid is getting old but I thought the insane bitching about Kirk would stop. Nope now the attention got turned and every poster is aware of it.

Everyone can see which brains are struggling with it. About 15 driveling, double-spaced sentences about JJ. Whose brain has issues again?

250 million in cap...median pay is 5 million. St Brown just got 30 some a year....you may want to re address your stance. They will guarantee 3 years probably of a 5 year contract. Then at his age 28-29 they can let him go. Not happening when he is 24.

Just because some other idiot GM is willing to pay a poor production player all world money doesn’t mean the Viking need to as well..

What are you going to come up with to defend Jefferson next..

Yards don’t win games.. sitting on the bench does not contribute to team wins.. only running a three yard comeback route on 4th and 8 is very stupid football IQ.

I have zero control over how management spends cap.. but I god damn sure do not have to like it and I god damn sure am entitled to beat a fn dead horse about paying ridiculous money for unproven or at best mediocre players..

Who’s better?

Ammon St Brown?
Justin Jefferson?
Or Travis Kelce?
And it’s not apples and oranges..

Catching the ball, getting first downs and scoring touchdowns is THE PRIMARY JOB, ov every p,Ayer that runs a route tree..

Justin Jefferson has a hugely impressive ( not) career best 10 TD receptions.. his best season..

Yea that’s worth 30 mill per..

NOT.

FTFHFY

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 10:37:51 AM   
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Tyreek Hill gets 30 mill per..

Over the same last 4 years.. who was by far better?

The stats don’t lie, Phil.

Jefferson is not worth 30 mil per.

And if he gets that, so be it.
But I wouldn’t like it and I’ll expect Tyreek Hill numbers from him..

Not DJ Moore numbers..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 10:45:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Bball players are making 50 million a year. Receivers and QBs are now making big money. You may want to check what decade we are in.

You may want to check your ear plugs., your brain keeps escaping out the holes..


Some will get paid on the roster....this BS about no one getting paid is getting old but I thought the insane bitching about Kirk would stop. Nope now the attention got turned and every poster is aware of it.

Everyone can see which brains are struggling with it. About 15 driveling, double-spaced sentences about JJ. Whose brain has issues again?

250 million in cap...median pay is 5 million. St Brown just got 30 some a year....you may want to re address your stance. They will guarantee 3 years probably of a 5 year contract. Then at his age 28-29 they can let him go. Not happening when he is 24.

Just because some other idiot GM is willing to pay a poor production player all world money doesn’t mean the Viking need to as well..

What are you going to come up with to defend Jefferson next..

Yards don’t win games.. sitting on the bench does not contribute to team wins.. only running a three yard comeback route on 4th and 8 is very stupid football IQ.

I have zero control over how management spends cap.. but I god damn sure do not have to like it and I god damn sure am entitled to beat a fn dead horse about paying ridiculous money for unproven or at best mediocre players..

Who’s better?

Ammon St Brown?
Justin Jefferson?
Or Travis Kelce?
And it’s not apples and oranges..

Catching the ball, getting first downs and scoring touchdowns is THE PRIMARY JOB, ov every p,Ayer that runs a route tree..

Justin Jefferson has a hugely impressive ( not) career best 10 TD receptions.. his best season..

Yea that’s worth 30 mill per..

NOT.

FTFHFY


I have zero problems with your opinion. I have a problem how you react to someone having a different belief/opinion. Deal with it--I don't have the same opinion. That much cap equals big contracts. Is KAT worth 55 million a year, hell no but that is their salary cap and what contracts are at. I am not going to call anyone names or argue that for multiple pages. It isn't worth the discussion. Yeah it will be a lot of money....like so many others.

Take solace that Jets will make about 15 million less a year than Kirk the next 2.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/1/2024 11:33:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was very nervous going into this draft. We had to get a franchise QB, but it seemed we needed a willing trading partner to get one. I always thought that it would be crazy for the Patriots to trade back. When you have a chance to get a franchise QB you have to get one because you never know when that chance comes again.

I was so relieved that they were able to get McCarthy. He's a winner on every level that he's played at- a great leader. The intangibles are very much underrated, in my opinion. I watched a number of Michigan games this past season and I liked what I saw from him. I especially am happy that we got McCarthy because he's from Michigan. One of my daughters lives in Michigan and her husband is a huge Wolverines fan. He loves McCarthy and promised me that he will root for the Vikings now, as long as they are not playing the Lions.

Getting Turner out of this draft and keeping the first for next year can not be overstated. It is very realistic to believe that the Vikings could get another top ten in the draft next year and hopefully it could be a force in the middle of the defensive line. Turner could be the most athletic defensive player in the draft and he's young with a huge upside. We don't know really what we have now, but he is a very promising player.

For those who are wondering how I am doing, I am doing well. My health is good. You may remember that I was a survivor of a serious bout with Covid where I was unconscious for three weeks. I was able to return to work, but I am telling everyone that I am retired now, even though I work ten hours a week. (That's nothing, but for a guy turning 71 later this month it's not really that easy.)

I've been frustrated with the lack of success of the local Pro teams. No championships since I returned to Minnesota 32 years ago. Nevertheless, it does feel like to me that perhaps our local fortunes are turning. The Timberwolves swept another team in the playoffs for the first time ever. The Twins have won 9 games in a row. The Vikings were fortunate enough to get a franchise QB. (Well, we can hope that's the case.) Perhaps the Wild can do better after they rid themselves of some legacy contracts and I wish them good luck in their upcoming draft.

So I wish everyone here well, too. God bless you all and go Vikings!

Nice to hear from you, Bruce.
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