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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.

Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I would say this about our edge players this year to last year.

We took 4-3 DEs (Hunter and Jones) and asked them to be 3-4 edges. These guys on occasion had to drop into coverage. They looked lost.

The guys we have now are 3-4 edge guys. I expect an overall improvement in this area. Especially with better depth.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I would say this about our edge players this year to last year.

We took 4-3 DEs (Hunter and Jones) and asked them to be 3-4 edges. These guys on occasion had to drop into coverage. They looked lost.

The guys we have now are 3-4 edge guys. I expect an overall improvement in this area. Especially with better depth.

Yup. That switch to a 3-4 also fits with the smaller number of DTs in camp. They just don't have the classic monster 3-4 NT.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird Phil says guys like Arnold and Jones are on one year contracts as if that's a good thing while neglecting to say half their salaries are stashed in void years! Whoops! Well, it should be a whoops.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

We never said Splash moves. You said there was no money for Free Agency....own it. Goal Posts moving for sure if not lying about what was said.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

We never said Splash moves. You said there was no money for Free Agency....own it. Goal Posts moving for sure if not lying about what was said.

BS, I said there was no money for the splash moves that were being advocated. I said there was no money for much w/o Kwesi going with his smoke and mirrors. You even just said the void years gave them more cap! So FUATHYRIO.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird Phil says guys like Arnold and Jones are on one year contracts as if that's a good thing while neglecting to say half their salaries are stashed in void years! Whoops! Well, it should be a whoops.

With Void years they have 17 million left on this years cap.......the cap guy evened out some of 25 and 26 when there is more money. Extra cap if not used in 2024 gets added to 2025. Yes so be it.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

We never said Splash moves. You said there was no money for Free Agency....own it. Goal Posts moving for sure if not lying about what was said.

BS, I said there was no money for the splash moves that were being advocated. I said there was no money for much w/o Kwesi going with his smoke and mirrors. You even just said the void years gave them more cap! So FUATHYRIO.

Never seen a guy who struggles with the truth so much call everyone else a liar. If it helps you sleep at night so be it.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.
Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.

Void year money robs the team of options for when they (hopefully) need to make a push. Some void year money is ok and a part of the NFL.
You and Mark were the ones drumming up all the splash moves on the horizon. Didn't happen.
Whether any of the FAs pan out remains to be seen, regardless of PFF.
See the words above? REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
Won't stop you twisting that around like you normally do.

Who said splash moves? I liked those 3 moves in particular because according to PFF all three improve the pass defense and can rush the passer. In addition each was at least 2-3 years younger.

Hicks, Wonnum, and Hunters biggest weakness was what according to PFF?

Griffen, Darnold, Jones, Tillery, Backup DE from the Giants, etc. are on 1 year contracts.

Come on, you and Mark expected a couple of splash moves. Names.

It didn't happen because it couldn't happen (barring more cap smoke and mirrors).

We are as you say at $17 million but the rookies have to be paid and several million is needed for in-season stuff. So say $7.4 + 4 for that.

Whoo hoo, we might be left with $6 million. Splash away!

I said it.

We did try to get Wilkins. Supposedly the front runners at one point(guessing north of 20M). Raiders swooped in with 27.5M per year and got him.

We did look in to trading for Snead. It got to 19M per plus some injury history and we dropped out.

I'm guessing after Wilkins fell through we turned to Greenard. 18M per is still a splash move, right??

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

According to Dustin Baker, we have 70-80M cap space for 2025. Void years and all.

I get going after people if they are saying we are guaranteed SB contenders. That is unrealistic.

But, it seems if anyone says anything positive about the Vikings and their moves, you swoop in to put a stop to it.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

According to Dustin Baker, we have 70-80M cap space for 2025. Void years and all.

I get going after people if they are saying we are guaranteed SB contenders. That is unrealistic.

But, it seems if anyone says anything positive about the Vikings and their moves, you swoop in to put a stop to it.

Current space for 2025 means nothing. OverTheCap shows we only have 30 players under contract for 2025 plus 4 with void years. And for 2026 we have a whopping $183 million... with just 17 contracts, 10 real and 7 void.

You may think I swoop in. But it's (or also) the reverse. I post actual quotes from Jefferson. Actual stats from high leverage games. And people like you swoop in... most recently recategorizing and reassigning the label of Jefferson as a "choking loser".

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

According to Dustin Baker, we have 70-80M cap space for 2025. Void years and all.

I get going after people if they are saying we are guaranteed SB contenders. That is unrealistic.

But, it seems if anyone says anything positive about the Vikings and their moves, you swoop in to put a stop to it.

Current space for 2025 means nothing. OverTheCap shows we only have 30 players under contract for 2025 plus 4 with void years. And for 2026 we have a whopping $183 million... with just 17 contracts, 10 real and 7 void.

You may think I swoop in. But it's (or also) the reverse. I post actual quotes from Jefferson. Actual stats from high leverage games. And people like you swoop in... most recently recategorizing and reassigning the label of Jefferson as a "choking loser".

Okay. It wasn't in the middle. I was wrong. It was closer to Danno description than yours.

Anyway, I looked up Spotrac. 58 players signed in 2025 and about 70-75M in cap space.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

According to Dustin Baker, we have 70-80M cap space for 2025. Void years and all.

I get going after people if they are saying we are guaranteed SB contenders. That is unrealistic.

But, it seems if anyone says anything positive about the Vikings and their moves, you swoop in to put a stop to it.

Current space for 2025 means nothing. OverTheCap shows we only have 30 players under contract for 2025 plus 4 with void years. And for 2026 we have a whopping $183 million... with just 17 contracts, 10 real and 7 void.

You may think I swoop in. But it's (or also) the reverse. I post actual quotes from Jefferson. Actual stats from high leverage games. And people like you swoop in... most recently recategorizing and reassigning the label of Jefferson as a "choking loser".

Okay. It wasn't in the middle. I was wrong. It was closer to Danno description than yours.

Anyway, I looked up Spotrac. 58 players signed in 2025 and about 70-75M in cap space.

Which includes all the draft picks and all the UDFAs.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million cap left. LOL.

An analogy in Phil's world:

He has $1000 (yeah a low total). He still has to pay rent (it's ok to rent), food, insurance (maybe), and a lot more out of that.

But, when challenged he says he has $1000 left.

Then he gets some advances from next year cause he can't afford to pay responsibly.

He believes that he merely "evened out the money".

WW!

According to Dustin Baker, we have 70-80M cap space for 2025. Void years and all.

I get going after people if they are saying we are guaranteed SB contenders. That is unrealistic.

But, it seems if anyone says anything positive about the Vikings and their moves, you swoop in to put a stop to it.

Current space for 2025 means nothing. OverTheCap shows we only have 30 players under contract for 2025 plus 4 with void years. And for 2026 we have a whopping $183 million... with just 17 contracts, 10 real and 7 void.

You may think I swoop in. But it's (or also) the reverse. I post actual quotes from Jefferson. Actual stats from high leverage games. And people like you swoop in... most recently recategorizing and reassigning the label of Jefferson as a "choking loser".

Okay. It wasn't in the middle. I was wrong. It was closer to Danno description than yours.

Anyway, I looked up Spotrac. 58 players signed in 2025 and about 70-75M in cap space.

Which includes all the draft picks and all the UDFAs.

Yes. So I figure that probably 8 of those don't make 53 or practice squad.

So probably closer to 50 signed for 2025.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I went back and did find a post where I said we won't sign any FA of substance (in my book, splash/substance/top tier are FAs signing for $20+ million). It's debatable but basically Greenard fits into that category. Where there is one emphatic statement like that there are probably more so I stand corrected. Although that was predicated on Kwesi spending responsibly, which he kind of didn't. He wasn't over the top but he wasn't getting ahead of future cap layouts either.

Just a side note, I went back further but ran into Phil advocating trading for Trey Lance or Justin Fields AND picking up their 5th year option and got sidetracked lol:

If Chicago is willing to trade Fields for a middle round pick I would be in.

4 million this year and if we want to guarantee his fifth it is 25 million....

I would do it.