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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:17:57 PM   
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Uh, no. It's already decided.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:18:00 PM   
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:19:53 PM   
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:21:52 PM   
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The air quality? Please.

The AQI is green, not even a number assigned on my app.

? What are you trying to say?

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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:22:47 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:24:16 PM   
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I'll agree with you Matt. Definitely.

Thanks. It's a bad product that bookmakers have hoodwinked the public into thinking is fantastic.

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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:25:48 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

Did he quit?

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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:27:27 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

Did he quit?

In the 2nd quarter.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:28:20 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:30:42 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.


They said JJ walks off the field in his young career. Coming up on year 6 and age 26.

By the time Moss was age 23 he had three playoff wins with 7 TDs, and over 600 yards in six playoff games.

Sure, the Moss teams were better.... because of Moss!

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/13/2025 10:34:31 PM >
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:30:51 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:32:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		David Lavine was spot on, with regards to Sam:


I think he looks off some of the quick throws because he thinks he has time to look for something bigger.

And then he gets swarmed and people blame the coach and line.

Twinsfan:

Nothing wrong with that approach. 14-3 record.

It worked great until you had to a play a playoff team on the road. And after the Lions game, there is no future with Sam in this offense next year, teams would stop him, the Vikings would win 6 games tops.

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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:32:52 PM   
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I'll agree with you Matt. Definitely.

Thanks. It's a bad product that bookmakers have hoodwinked the public into thinking is fantastic.

The Product is good. But I do believe fantasy football has bumped up the viewership. There are fantasy leagues in all the other sports too but football is by far the most popular.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:35:31 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:36:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am fine with blowouts wildcard weekend, I want officiating that gets the calls right, not giving the underdog extra chances with incorrect calls.

Next week's game should be more competitive. If not, hopefully we at least get a competitive Super Bowl.

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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:37:16 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.

If we trade him the dead cap hot is 80 million? Hmmm. I guess we're stuck with the bum.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:38:25 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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I am fine with blowouts wildcard weekend, I want officiating that gets the calls right, not giving the underdog extra chances with incorrect calls.

Next week's game should be more competitive. If not, hopefully we at least get a competitive Super Bowl.

The refs are the least of my worries after what I just saw.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:39:28 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:40:05 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:42:14 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.

Does it matter? I'm not positive but I still think you get dinged with dead cap.

Anyway, any dumb GMs out there going to give up a 1 and change for KOC?
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:42:33 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.


I didn't want him extended for the projected $$ and preferred a trade but that ship sailed.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:43:26 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.

Does it matter? I'm not positive but I still think you get dinged with dead cap.

Anyway, any dumb GMs out there going to give up a 1 and change for KOC?

I don't think anyone is dumb enough to trade for KOC. But stranger things have happened.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:46:50 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.

Does it matter? I'm not positive but I still think you get dinged with dead cap.

Anyway, any dumb GMs out there going to give up a 1 and change for KOC?


Yes, I think we'd still have to absorb the signing bonus and things related to that (prorated stuff). So a trade is still probably too costly.
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:47:35 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.

Then what? Hope to hit on draft picks. With KAM

I see some Pakua over JJ posts. It's close but one guy is going against double coverage because they only need to rush 4 guys and one guy is going one on one with a 50 year CB because we have to blitz every down to get pressure.

If this game doesn't prove to the front office that we need to rebuild the Lines then nothing will.

Also, thanks for beating the Packers twice Sam but we need the money elsewhere. We will go with the more mobile guys. JJM and Jones.

The best in the game a no show the last 2 games. Sorry. Not impressed. We need draft picks. We have none. Total rebuild on both interior lines. Lots of FAs. I don't see the value in a disappearing wr. Even against single coverage.

Dead cap hit is 80M. We aren't fixing any lines with negative cap space.


Based on "we need picks... we have none", I think Richard is advocating a trade, not a cut.

Agreed. I never recommended cutting him.

Does it matter? I'm not positive but I still think you get dinged with dead cap.

Anyway, any dumb GMs out there going to give up a 1 and change for KOC?


Yes, I think we'd still have to absorb the signing bonus and things related to that (prorated stuff). So a trade is still probably too costly.

So we're stuck with the bum! Oh well!
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RE: Wildcard Round: @ Rams 1-13-24 7:00PM CT - 1/13/2025 10:51:08 PM   
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Jefferson not going out on the field again?

I'd trade him. We need assets. He does nothing in big games.


They said JJ walks off the field in his young career. Coming up on year 6 and age 26.

By the time Moss was age 23 he had three playoff wins with 7 TDs, and over 600 yards in six playoff games.

Sure, the Moss teams were better.... because of Moss!

and OLine and QB.

But agree that JJ has to improve. Physical play against him is working. He needs to get stronger.
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