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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:27:13 PM

beo

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KOC needs better assistant coaches.. OL, secondary, special teams…

For starters... lol

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:29:52 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: beo

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KOC needs better assistant coaches.. OL, secondary, special teams…

For starters... lol

gotta start somewhere.. I’d add strength and conditioning to that list..

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:30:44 PM

beo

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Ham just buried a guy... great to see some physicality

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:33:58 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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No separation Jefferson

Why not call it a drop too?

Dude gets a pass for being a bum in too many games. He's not a difference maker.

I can see the overrated....

But name me a difference maker WR with a terrible QB.

He's done it his whole career. Stat pad against bum teams and disappear in big games.

Which QBs showed up in big games?
In fact which Vikes teams showed up in big games... deeper problem.

Cousins!!

No…wait…

Darnold!!!

Crap. This is hard.

Those guys targeted him all the time. Maybe he could've got open. That would help.

Crazy how a guy who is universally considered one of the 2-3 best route runners in the league can’t get open…

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:41:45 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

No separation Jefferson

Why not call it a drop too?

Dude gets a pass for being a bum in too many games. He's not a difference maker.

I can see the overrated....

But name me a difference maker WR with a terrible QB.

He's done it his whole career. Stat pad against bum teams and disappear in big games.

Which QBs showed up in big games?
In fact which Vikes teams showed up in big games... deeper problem.

Cousins!!

No…wait…

Darnold!!!

Crap. This is hard.

Those guys targeted him all the time. Maybe he could've got open. That would help.

Crazy how a guy who is universally considered one of the 2-3 best route runners in the league can’t get open…

I don't see him getting any separation against a weak defense tonight. Do you?

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:45:35 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Route running is his strong suit. He's just not a game breaker. More like a cross between a possession receiver and a wideout.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:47:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

No separation Jefferson

Why not call it a drop too?

Dude gets a pass for being a bum in too many games. He's not a difference maker.

I can see the overrated....

But name me a difference maker WR with a terrible QB.

He's done it his whole career. Stat pad against bum teams and disappear in big games.

Which QBs showed up in big games?
In fact which Vikes teams showed up in big games... deeper problem.

Cousins!!

No…wait…

Darnold!!!

Crap. This is hard.

Those guys targeted him all the time. Maybe he could've got open. That would help.

Crazy how a guy who is universally considered one of the 2-3 best route runners in the league can’t get open…

I don't see him getting any separation against a weak defense tonight. Do you?

ymmv
He caught a TD called back on a penalty
The pass before the FG you have to throw on his back shoulder to give him a chance... he has pulled those in... instead it sailed over his head...

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:48:01 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Route running is his strong suit. He's just not a game breaker. More like a cross between a possession receiver and a wideout.

Overpaid possession receiver. I think that's accurate.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:49:59 PM

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Hard to watch Harrison out there on some plays... he has aged

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:50:50 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Hard to watch Harrison out there on some plays... he has aged

Got dragged for 8 yards.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 8:53:35 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Route running is his strong suit. He's just not a game breaker. More like a cross between a possession receiver and a wideout.

Overpaid possession receiver. I think that's accurate.

Overpaid? He's going to get a mere $40 million in each of the next three years.

That's a slap in the face for a guy with so many commercials.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:02:22 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:04:36 PM

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:05:32 PM

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

Also zero career playoff victories.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:07:04 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

Good for him since that's all he cares about. Too bad he disappears against good corners and in big games. He's pretty allergic to the endzone too.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:07:15 PM

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

Also zero career playoff victories.

That's true... we just disagree about the root cause of that.

I don't know that he is worth 40 mil a year either...
But on the long list of problems... he doesn't rank high for me.

Get a frachise qb and a lot of your problems go away, imo

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:10:19 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

Also zero career playoff victories.

That's true... we just disagree about the root cause of that.

I don't know that he is worth 40 mil a year either...
But on the long list of problems... he doesn't rank high for me.

Get a frachise qb and a lot of your problems go away, imo

A franchise qb and building the lines are much more important than a receiver for sure.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:10:32 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: beo

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Jefferson is the first 40-40-40 player in the NFL.

40 million, 40 carats on the field, 40 commercials.

(also the most receiving yards of any player in their first 5 years)

Also zero career playoff victories.

That's true... we just disagree about the root cause of that.

I don't know that he is worth 40 mil a year either...
But on the long list of problems... he doesn't rank high for me.

Get a frachise qb and a lot of your problems go away, imo

Yes. And for the foreseeable future he is the guy that has the wrap on the franchise QB salary.

I don't know of a single successful team that has a QB and WR at $40 million each.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:18:06 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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That was awful.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:20:41 PM

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That was awful.

*sigh* yep

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:21:49 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Meanwhile.. back at the game,, ( outside of the Jefferson hate glaze)…

KOC and JJM go 3-out consecutively…

And our pass defense is ass…

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:22:28 PM

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Meanwhile.. back at the game,, ( outside of the Jefferson hate glaze)…

KOC and JJM go 3-out consecutively…

And our pass defense is ass…

*sigh* yep

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:22:37 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Meanwhile.. back at the game,, ( outside of the Jefferson hate glaze)…

KOC and JJM go 3-out consecutively…

And our pass defense is ass…

Maybe if Jefferson could get open they wouldn't go 3 and out all the time.

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:22:53 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Who TF is #33? Dorsett?

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RE: WEEK 15: @ Cowboys 12-14-25 7:20PM CT - 12/14/2025 9:23:03 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Run defense too..

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