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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 10:53:13 AM   
David Levine


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Status: offline 		There is a guy on TWolves Central who claims to be a high school buddy of Alldrich. Before the tourney he said he was most likely going back to Kansas, but things may be changing now. If he measures in around 6'11 at the combine, he's going to be a hell of a center in the big league.

I still think if Harden measures anywhere close to 6'5, he has to be considered. People put too much emphasis on the tournament either raising or lowering kids for a good or bad stretch.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:02:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just looked at a mock that had the Wolves taking these players in the 1st rd

#7 Curry
#17 Collison
#19 Hansbrough
#27 Sam Young

2nd rd

Willie Warren

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:13:42 AM   
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There is a guy on TWolves Central who claims to be a high school buddy of Alldrich. Before the tourney he said he was most likely going back to Kansas, but things may be changing now. If he measures in around 6'11 at the combine, he's going to be a hell of a center in the big league.

I still think if Harden measures anywhere close to 6'5, he has to be considered. People put too much emphasis on the tournament either raising or lowering kids for a good or bad stretch.

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I think Harden is a legit 6'5", but he has me a bit confused.  I watched quite a bit of AZ State games and he just appears to lose interest at times.  His ball handling skills are almost awful at times.  And it's hard to determine exactly how quick he is because he doesn't seem to be giving 100% very often. 

I hope Aldrich stays in school (I almost always say that) he improved a great deal from his freshman season, and if that were to continue, he could be the top pick next year.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't see us taking Hansbrough. He's going to be a very poor man's Kevin Love.

Sam Young would be great. 6'6 swingman that is hitting 50% of his shots and can really play defense. He's give us a huge boost in athleticism and we'd finally have a guy who can score and guard the bigger SGs in the league.

Terrance Williams is another guy like that. 6'6 swingman that averages 9 rebounds, 5 assists and 2.5 steals per game. But needs to work on his shot.

Al-Farouq Aminu would make us much more athletic at the SF spot. 6'8, 210. Shoots 57% from inside the arc (not much of a 3 point shooter). Not a great handle, but really long and explosive.

If we end up around the #7 pick, I'd consider Aminu and with the 17 or 19 either Young or Williams. That could set us up nicely at the 2/3 for a long time and we'd be much more athletic and our perimeter defense would be 1000 times better - which would help Love and Jefferson on defense immensely.

Then I'd probably take a flyer on a PG with whichever pick is left of 17/19. And I'd trade Mike Miller.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:26:17 AM   
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Terrance Williams is another guy like that. 6'6 swingman that averages 9 rebounds, 5 assists and 2.5 steals per game. But needs to work on his shot.

Al-Farouq Aminu would make us much more athletic at the SF spot. 6'8, 210. Shoots 57% from inside the arc (not much of a 3 point shooter). Not a great handle, but really long and explosive.


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If Williams could shoot, he'd be a top 5 pick, IMO.

Aminu might stay in school (yes, he should) but IMO, he really needs to toughen up his game for the NBA. 

I'm a big Pitt fan, and I like Young a lot, but his good shooting numbers are more of a result of good shot selection, than lights-out shooting.  Of course it's not a bad thing to be selective in your shooting. 
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:27:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a site that has links to many different mocks on the left side of the page. I know they will all change after we find out who will come out early and who will stay, but it is fun to look at

http://dcprosportsreport.com/mockdraftdatabase/nba.html

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:29:08 AM   
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I just looked at a mock that had the Wolves taking these players in the 1st rd

#7 Curry
#17 Collison
#19 Hansbrough
#27 Sam Young

2nd rd

Willie Warren

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I would fall over from shock if Curry went seventh.  I would puke if the Wolves picked him at seven.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:32:25 AM   
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Status: online 		Aldrich could easily make himself a top 10 pick if he continues his strong play and Kansas goes a long way. I actually like him better than Thabeet. With all due respect to Double T, Thabeet is destined to be drafted much higher than he deserves and be a disappointment to whoever drafts him.

I am still real high on Harden. I don't see any inconsistency in effort. I think he is that Rod Carew type of athlete who is just so smooth that you really don't appreciate how much effort he is really exerting. I would still package Foye and our Miami 1st rounder for Harden in a heart beat.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 11:36:21 AM   
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Aldrich could easily make himself a top 10 pick if he continues his strong play and Kansas goes a long way. I actually like him better than Thabeet. With all due respect to Double T, Thabeet is destined to be drafted much higher than he deserves and be a disappointment to whoever drafts him.

I am still real high on Harden. I don't see any inconsistency in effort. I think he is that Rod Carew type of athlete who is just so smooth that you really don't appreciate how much effort he is really exerting. I would still package Foye and our Miami 1st rounder for Harden in a heart beat.

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I definitely agree with the bolded part.  Primarily his lack of effort/focus that I noticed is on ball handling and missing routine passes.  On the other hand, he's capable of making great passes and often does.  Like I said, I'm a bit puzzled by him. 
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 4:30:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

I just looked at a mock that had the Wolves taking these players in the 1st rd

#7 Curry
#17 Collison
#19 Hansbrough
#27 Sam Young

2nd rd

Willie Warren


Assuming the #19 pick represents the Utah selection, the Wolves wouldn't be entitled to that in 09, as it remains with Utah unless it's #23 or worse.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/24/2009 10:04:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm starting to think Aldrich and Turner would be a couple players that would really help the Wolves. If either of them declare.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/25/2009 6:54:11 AM   
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Status: online 		I was thinking about the T-wolves in the draft this year...

I think this is the year the T-wolves win the lottery, but because it'll be a one player draft, they'll have the number 2 slot.

How to tell if Rubio is coming out: the T-wolves get the #3 pick.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 3/28/2009 9:41:29 AM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/1/2009 7:47:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This appears to be another frustrating draft, with the Wolves brass not having a clue as to what they are doing.  Looks like we have 6 picks in the upcoming draft, 3 first and 3 second.  This looks like a weak draft.  We also don't want to keep more than two picks.  I don't see any team giving us much value for a pick later than ours and Miami's pick. And unless we are looking to move up a couple of slots, I doubt that either of those two pick will bring anything other than a couple of  long shots to help this team.  I know that moeny is tight, but if the Wolves are unable to put a decent productout, the fans will be even more reluctent to spend on tickets.  I just don't see the Wolves getting significantly better any time soon.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/1/2009 10:11:46 PM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 12:14:27 PM   
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Status: online 		My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
 1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. The obvious move is to trade the pick. I would expand that to trade one of …the pick, Kevin Love or Big Al. I think Griffen is going to be a monster at the 4 and Big Al’s injury scares me now that I have heard that he had cartilage damage in addition to the ACL. Trade whichever of those options provides the best return.
 

2. In this spot I would take Rubio, assuming he stays in the 2009 draft. This is great prospect at a position of great need. I think Telfair makes a great backup PG, but the Wolves desperately need a back court stud.
If Rubio withdraws Harden would be my choice. Foye has had his shot at the starting 2G and while he has had some really good moments, it’s clear after 3 years that he is better suited to the combo guard off the bench role. Harden is a legit starting 2G and an explosive scorer.
Brandon Jennings is very intriguing, but is much more of a gamble.
Another possibility is to look at trade options with someone looking to move up to draft Jordan Hill.
 

3. Assuming Rubio taken #2 I take Harden.
Assuming Rubio out of draft and Harden taken #2 I take Jennings or explore trade for with a team interested in Hill.


4. At this point Jennings is a good possibility. It is entirely possible that somebody reaches for Thabeet in the top 3 and drops a player not named Blake Griffen to this spot. I wouldn’t take Thabeet at #4 myself.
 
5/6 . This is the earliest point I would entertain drafting Thabeet. Tyreke Evans would probably be more of my pick. Ty Lawson may be a possibility. He is the best true PG in college this year IMO.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 1:27:02 PM   
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My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. 


That factor is guaranteed to make this the year the Wolves get to #1.

And you're right, it would seem to necessitate a trade of some sort.  My first choice would be trade the pick, not Love or Al.  I'm still not as down as some on Love and Al working together on the same team.  I think it would be fine.  But adding a 3rd young player to the same basic group - that gets a bit crowded.

Of course it is the Wolves we're talking about here.  Nobody can bungle a draft day trade like they can. So the thought of dealing the pick worries me too.  But just thinking of the riches that the number one pick could bring is very enticing.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 1:59:14 PM   
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But just thinking of the riches that the number one pick could bring is very enticing.


If they can get a whole meeeeelion dollars trading Roy for Foye, this will be almost like Christmas morning!

Here is where we find out if the problem was mostly McHale or not. I hope that it was. I hope we come out of the draft looking good.

That said, the prevailing wisdom is that McHale is the one that wanted Love, while Hoiberg wanted to keep Mayo. I still think this team's dysfunction runs deeper than McHale, but hopefully not.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 3:59:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. 


That factor is guaranteed to make this the year the Wolves get to #1.

And you're right, it would seem to necessitate a trade of some sort.  My first choice would be trade the pick, not Love or Al.  I'm still not as down as some on Love and Al working together on the same team.  I think it would be fine.  But adding a 3rd young player to the same basic group - that gets a bit crowded.

Of course it is the Wolves we're talking about here.  Nobody can bungle a draft day trade like they can. So the thought of dealing the pick worries me too.  But just thinking of the riches that the number one pick could bring is very enticing.


Good point Karl, the Celtics were riding in the lottery for years and finally they startrd trading players and picks to get Allen and Garnett and that put them over the top. I don't know if the Wolves have as much talent to trade as Boston did though

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 4:07:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. 


That factor is guaranteed to make this the year the Wolves get to #1.

And you're right, it would seem to necessitate a trade of some sort.  My first choice would be trade the pick, not Love or Al.  I'm still not as down as some on Love and Al working together on the same team.  I think it would be fine.  But adding a 3rd young player to the same basic group - that gets a bit crowded.

Of course it is the Wolves we're talking about here.  Nobody can bungle a draft day trade like they can. So the thought of dealing the pick worries me too.  But just thinking of the riches that the number one pick could bring is very enticing.


Good point Karl, the Celtics were riding in the lottery for years and finally they startrd trading players and picks to get Allen and Garnett and that put them over the top. I don't know if the Wolves have as much talent to trade as Boston did though


Boston traded Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green and Theo Ratliff to get KG.

They traded Wally Sczerbiak and Delonte West for Allen.

My goodness they made great trades. Anyway, we still have almost all the "talent" we traded KG for.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 4:13:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. 


That factor is guaranteed to make this the year the Wolves get to #1.

And you're right, it would seem to necessitate a trade of some sort.  My first choice would be trade the pick, not Love or Al.  I'm still not as down as some on Love and Al working together on the same team.  I think it would be fine.  But adding a 3rd young player to the same basic group - that gets a bit crowded.
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I agree. But it's a really nice problem to have: three good, young, interior power players, plus they've got Pekovic coming in a year, too. They can keep three of those four.

I still think the T-wolves get the third pick if Rubio stays in, and the second if he's out. It's the Laettner principle.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 5:25:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My take on the Wolves draft right now for each potential slot:
1. It would figure that this would be the year the Wolves hit the lottery jackpot. The hands down best player plays the same position as Kevin Love, who plays the same position as Big Al. 


That factor is guaranteed to make this the year the Wolves get to #1.

And you're right, it would seem to necessitate a trade of some sort.  My first choice would be trade the pick, not Love or Al.  I'm still not as down as some on Love and Al working together on the same team.  I think it would be fine.  But adding a 3rd young player to the same basic group - that gets a bit crowded.
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I agree. But it's a really nice problem to have: three good, young, interior power players, plus they've got Pekovic coming in a year, too. They can keep three of those four.

I still think the T-wolves get the third pick if Rubio stays in, and the second if he's out. It's the Laettner principle.
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I still think the T-wolves get the third pick if Rubio stays in, and the second if he's out. It's the Laettner principle


Sound in logic, but how does the Ebi corollary fit in to the Wolves' plans?
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 5:51:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I said at the time of the Garnett trade I didn't care if anyone else besides Al worked out.  Al plus draft picks was decent compnsation for Garnett.  I was high on Jefferson before he got here and he's been even better than I expected.

Of all the rest, it looks like Gomes is a keeper too.  Good guy to have on the team.  Shoots, defends, good floor awareness.  Telfair I can take or leave even as a backup.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 7:26:29 PM   
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...I still think the T-wolves get the third pick if Rubio stays in, and the second if he's out. It's the Laettner principle


Sound in logic, but how does the Ebi corollary fit in to the Wolves' plans?




That only applies to picks late in the first round.

But I can never remember the precise statement of the Ebi corollary. How's it go again? Something about those picks having no value when acquired in trade, because in the draft they'll screw up?

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/2/2009 8:30:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since the Wolves will be picking at both the beginning and at the end, they'll have the opportunity to self inflict both the Laettner Principle and the Ebi Corollary.

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