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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 12:04:38 AM

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...I still think the T-wolves get the third pick if Rubio stays in, and the second if he's out. It's the Laettner principle

Sound in logic, but how does the Ebi corollary fit in to the Wolves' plans?

That only applies to picks late in the first round.

But I can never remember the precise statement of the Ebi corollary. How's it go again? Something about those picks having no value when acquired in trade, because in the draft they'll screw up?

Dodi in, Dodi out?

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 11:19:10 AM

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So if I understand the Ebi Corolary - There are often gems available in the late first round. These gems will never don a Wolves uniform.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 11:54:16 AM

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Let's be clear Karl. It doesn't matter if it's pick 1-30. If there is a gem to had the Wolves won't pick him.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 1:06:40 PM

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Well they might pick them, but you'll notice I said they'll never wear a Wolves jersey. They'll pick them and then trade them. Ray Allen, Brandon Roye, O.J. Mayo.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 1:16:04 PM

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If Rubio is in the draft, he's my #1 pick easily. If we get the first pick, I try to trade down to #2 if that team covets Griffen, but if that fails I flat out draft Rubio.

He's going to make everyone on the team better. IMO he's easily 3x the PG prospect that Derrick Rose was. At 18 he's doing things that I'm not sure anyone else in the NBA is.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 1:50:18 PM

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If Rubio is in the draft, he's my #1 pick easily. If we get the first pick, I try to trade down to #2 if that team covets Griffen, but if that fails I flat out draft Rubio.

He's going to make everyone on the team better. IMO he's easily 3x the PG prospect that Derrick Rose was. At 18 he's doing things that I'm not sure anyone else in the NBA is.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

Trade down for what? I can't see them keeping all of this years picks.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 2:48:04 PM

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If Rubio is in the draft, he's my #1 pick easily. If we get the first pick, I try to trade down to #2 if that team covets Griffen, but if that fails I flat out draft Rubio.

He's going to make everyone on the team better. IMO he's easily 3x the PG prospect that Derrick Rose was. At 18 he's doing things that I'm not sure anyone else in the NBA is.

10 minutes of Ricky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

Trade down for what? I can't see them keeping all of this years picks.

Trade the #1 pick for the #2 plus a player. Like if OKC has the #2 and really want Griffin, I'd ask for Jeff Green and the #2 pick for the #1. Especially since Griffin is a pure PF and Green and Durant are both really SFs.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/3/2009 7:06:44 PM

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I was hoping they'd at least turn some of this glut of picks into real, established player or two. REAL players, not like Mike Miller.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 12:01:25 AM

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I've been a casual NBA watcher for the last decade until this season. I made a serious effort to watch the Wolves. I watched about 25 games then couldn't stomach it any longer.

I mentioned it in here early on, Love (who I wasn't real big on, but has impressed me) is really more fundamentally sound than almost any rookie I can think of. I'd like to see him be a better defender, but there may not be a guy in the league that would benefit more from a great PG than him. When the Wolves run the high pic and roll with Love, his job is to set the pic, and roll to the rim....... to get the rebound. He's not even an offensive option, no matter how well he does it. I know most you guys don't like Nash, but could you imagine how many easy baskets Love would get if he had a PG like him to play the pic and roll?

As much as I think this team needs a true center, considering the current talent, a great PG might be the best move.

Levine, I don't know if you're old enough to know it, but Rubio has a little Pistol Pete in his game.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 7:47:49 AM

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Good post Pete.
Some great ideas and references, especially for us older guys.
I can picture Nash or Stockton-types dishing to Love and Al and the TWolves actually looking like they have a plan for the first time in their history.
The PG who can not only distribute in those situations but can still remain a threat himself, is the missing link to the entire game of basketball right now, imo.
I'm glad someone brings up Pistol Pete every once in awhile. I'm glad others appreciate him like I did.
A revolutionary player in the history of the game and a true character. He instilled the love of the game in me that stuck for 25 years.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 8:02:44 AM

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I've been a casual NBA watcher for the last decade until this season. I made a serious effort to watch the Wolves. ...

That just makes me doubt your sanity. What a weird time to start! But then, I turned casual once they lost Googs. Once that trio broke up, coupled with the new CBA luxury tax, KG's contract had them permanently scrambling. There were a couple of isolated seasons where I got excited, but PG injuries to TB & Cassell never let me carry that into the next season.

And trading KG, which had to be done, put them in rebuilding mode. Until the T-wolves get three stars again, I'll stay casual.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 9:41:03 AM

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I've been a casual NBA watcher for the last decade until this season. I made a serious effort to watch the Wolves. I watched about 25 games then couldn't stomach it any longer.

I mentioned it in here early on, Love (who I wasn't real big on, but has impressed me) is really more fundamentally sound than almost any rookie I can think of. I'd like to see him be a better defender, but there may not be a guy in the league that would benefit more from a great PG than him. When the Wolves run the high pic and roll with Love, his job is to set the pic, and roll to the rim....... to get the rebound. He's not even an offensive option, no matter how well he does it. I know most you guys don't like Nash, but could you imagine how many easy baskets Love would get if he had a PG like him to play the pic and roll?

As much as I think this team needs a true center, considering the current talent, a great PG might be the best move.

Levine, I don't know if you're old enough to know it, but Rubio has a little Pistol Pete in his game.

Agree totally. The only thing that I'd point out is that I don't think any of the posters here have been critical of Nash as an offensive player, so I doubt anyone would argue with wanting to see Nash setting up guys like Love on the screen/roll.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 12:12:42 PM

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Levine, I don't know if you're old enough to know it, but Rubio has a little Pistol Pete in his game.

Good call. He has almost the exact same "flair" handling the ball. Its booth smooth and herky-jerky somehow at the same time. And you can see the pass is going to come at any time and from any position.

And Kevin Love is terrific at settling a good screen and then rolling to the hoop - and he's almost always open. Telfair usually sees it once per game and everyone else seems to have blinders for him.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 12:21:12 PM

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Agree totally. The only thing that I'd point out is that I don't think any of the posters here have been critical of Nash as an offensive player, so I doubt anyone would argue with wanting to see Nash setting up guys like Love on the screen/roll.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone can deny what Nash does on the offensive end.

Its not only the inability to play defense, but quotes about how he'd rather let the other team score quickly so they can get the ball back that upsets people.

He's an A+ on offense and a D- on defense.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 1:08:20 PM

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Agreed, Pete. Nash could easily add 6 points/game to Love's scoring.

Rubio. Yes some Pistol Pete similarities - one of my alltime favorite players. He even looks like Maravich. But I don't want him. I mean obviously unless he drops and becomes a steal. To me Rubio could have a good career, but he'd just be another one of those players who's an odd disparate puzzle piece that you need to accommodate. The Wolves need more glue guys.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/4/2009 1:49:05 PM

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I'd consider a true PG to be the ultimate "glue guy"

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 7:50:21 AM

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Ya, I don't see Teague as a pure PG, at least not yet, either.

And DL, again, I agree on Thabeet, and I've mentioned the same worry many times. But this draft SUCKS for true C's. What sucks is that I think it's pretty good for PF's, but if they draft a PF this draft, they should not be allowed to draft in the NBA for 10 years.

Actually I would be thrilled to see the Wolves draft Blake Griffin.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 8:07:53 AM

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I was hoping they'd at least turn some of this glut of picks into real, established player or two. REAL players, not like Mike Miller.

Mike Miller got off to a terrible start with us but has been playing very well lately. I am glad to have him and am pleased with the trade that got him.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 10:08:14 AM

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Ya, I don't see Teague as a pure PG, at least not yet, either.

And DL, again, I agree on Thabeet, and I've mentioned the same worry many times. But this draft SUCKS for true C's. What sucks is that I think it's pretty good for PF's, but if they draft a PF this draft, they should not be allowed to draft in the NBA for 10 years.

Actually I would be thrilled to see the Wolves draft Blake Griffin.

Me too. With Jefferson, Griffin, Love, and Pekovic, they've got more players than minutes. So then the question would be, how long do you wait before you trade, and which player do you trade?

And pretty much every draft sucks for centers. They bust at a huge rate.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 10:22:13 AM

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Sure wish Lawson was taller. I wouldn't mind him and Evans on our roster. I figure Rubio and Griifin are gone. Then we need to trade for a center.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 12:42:34 PM

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I think Lawson will be tall enough because he's so strong. Chris Paul is listed at 6'0 - the same height, but lighter than Lawson.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/5/2009 4:58:02 PM

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The thing that worries me about Lawson is that other than speed, I'm not sure he has a whole lot else going for him.

He's really not a good ballhandler for a PG at all IMO. And he's not a great passer or shooter by any means. He really, really needs to work on his game if he's going to be a good NBA PG at his size IMO.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/6/2009 11:49:13 AM

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The thing that worries me about Lawson is that other than speed, I'm not sure he has a whole lot else going for him.

He's really not a good ballhandler for a PG at all IMO. And he's not a great passer or shooter by any means.

I absolutely disagree on 2 of 3. He is an excellent ball handler and a good passer as evidenced by 6.6 assists per game and an assist TO ratio of 3.45. You are right in that his shot needs work, especially shooting in the middle of the trees that clog the lane. Even still he is .539 for the year and his percentage has increased every year.

If he were to fall to the Miami pick, he would be an absolute steal.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/6/2009 12:01:20 PM

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I agree. And if we aren't lucky enough to snag Rubio, I'd love to get Lawson in the mid-first.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/6/2009 12:08:56 PM

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I was hoping they'd at least turn some of this glut of picks into real, established player or two. REAL players, not like Mike Miller.

Mike Miller got off to a terrible start with us but has been playing very well lately. I am glad to have him and am pleased with the trade that got him.

I like that he does other things even when his shot isn't falling, but he still has too many 1-6 shooting nights, or even where he just doesn't score double digits. (3 of the last 10 games only) He's a likeable guy, but for the 11 or 12 million he's getting a year, he's been a very poor producer.

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