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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/6/2009 2:34:38 PM

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The thing that worries me about Lawson is that other than speed, I'm not sure he has a whole lot else going for him.

He's really not a good ballhandler for a PG at all IMO. And he's not a great passer or shooter by any means.

I absolutely disagree on 2 of 3. He is an excellent ball handler and a good passer as evidenced by 6.6 assists per game and an assist TO ratio of 3.45. You are right in that his shot needs work, especially shooting in the middle of the trees that clog the lane. Even still he is .539 for the year and his percentage has increased every year.

If he were to fall to the Miami pick, he would be an absolute steal.

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He does need quite a bit of work on his perimeter shot, his release is slow and he seems to need a lot of space to get his shot off. But, you have to like that he has continuously improved his shooting. He's probably aware and willing to continue to work to improve.

I think he's a good ballhandler too, but I'd like to see him improve at penetrating then dish. The vast majority of his assists are perimeter passes to other perimeter shooters, or in the transition game.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/6/2009 10:18:38 PM

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I'm more sure than ever, I don't want Thabeet unless he falls dramatically.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/7/2009 12:18:09 AM

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I'm more sure than ever, I don't want Thabeet unless he falls dramatically.

I think I agree. He really struggles against strong guys - no matter their height. And he looks to have a pretty slight frame, so I don't think he's ever going to get BIG.

He's going to block some shots, but keep going at his chest and you'll score some points and get him in foul trouble.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/7/2009 4:16:11 PM

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I'm more sure than ever, I don't want Thabeet unless he falls dramatically.

I think I agree. He really struggles against strong guys - no matter their height. And he looks to have a pretty slight frame, so I don't think he's ever going to get BIG.

He's going to block some shots, but keep going at his chest and you'll score some points and get him in foul trouble.

Yep, and he looks a little aloof...what was up with those shades last night? looked like an idiot.

That's probably a small matter...i agree he'll back away from physical guys.

I'll take Griffin any day over Thabeet.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/7/2009 10:46:23 PM

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Evans, Evans, Evans!

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/7/2009 11:56:17 PM

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Evans, Evans, Evans!

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Maybe Evans will transfer to Kentucky, and get an exemption. Evans and Meeks in the backcourt with Patterson in the paint. Preseason #1.

Evans is still a boy in a mans body, but he has the potential to be the best player in this draft, IMO.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/8/2009 11:32:34 AM

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I'm more sure than ever, I don't want Thabeet unless he falls dramatically.

I think I agree. He really struggles against strong guys - no matter their height. And he looks to have a pretty slight frame, so I don't think he's ever going to get BIG.

He's going to block some shots, but keep going at his chest and you'll score some points and get him in foul trouble.

Yep, and he looks a little aloof...what was up with those shades last night? looked like an idiot.

That's probably a small matter...i agree he'll back away from physical guys.

I'll take Griffin any day over Thabeet.

I'll take Griffin any day over anyone else in the draft. Not just Thabeet.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/8/2009 12:23:41 PM

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Chad Ford with some surprisingly solid insight:

Ed Davis, F, North Carolina
Davis played just 14 minutes in the championship game, and his 11 points and 8 rebounds weren't spectacular, but he was the best draft prospect on the floor in the Final Four. Long, athletic and very active around the basket on both ends of the floor, he's a game-changer.

Roy Williams has been trying to hide Davis all season, but the secret is out. Most NBA executives talk about him as a potential top-five pick this year and a potential No. 1 pick in 2010. In a draft that lacks big men with lots of upside, most GMs would be willing to gamble on Davis now. Yes, he needs a lot of work. He needs to get much stronger. He needs to polish his offense. And he absolutely needs to return to the Tar Heels for his sophomore season. But if he declares, GMs will go crazy over him. Remember the frenzy over Marvin Williams in 2005, another UNC freshman who played a sixth-man role? It could happen again.

Ty Lawson, PG, North Carolina
I'm not sure what else Lawson can do to prove his detractors wrong. His assist-to-turnover ratio in the tournament was awesome (34 assists, 7 TOs) and he shot the lights out, too (9-for-18 from 3). In the title game, he also recorded a record eight steals (seven in the first half) to go along with his eight assists. He was the best player in the tournament.

Scouts still worry about his long-term future in the NBA. The Raymond Felton comparisons hurt. So does his lack of size. And his struggles in the half-court game. However, he has done enough this season to answer most of those criticisms. More and more executives I've spoken with seem to be sold on the idea that Lawson can be a really good NBA player.

I know every GM says the tournament doesn't matter in terms of the draft, but in this case, I think it will help Lawson's stock. Before the tournament, I would've said Lawson lands somewhere in the 20s if he declares. Now? I wouldn't be shocked if he cracks the lottery.

Hasheem Thabeet, C, UConn
I've been very skeptical of Thabeet, and his performance in the Michigan State game only confirmed my fears. He looked soft, shaky on offense and, with the exception of a great fast-break finish, not nearly as quick as advertised. Thabeet, to me, looks like a really tall guy still trying to learn the game. If he's like Dikembe Mutombo ... great. If he's like Mark Eaton ... OK. But if he's like Mohammed Saer Sene ... ugh.

However, a number of NBA executives insist that Thabeet's stock is on the rise. They believe he's going in the top three and might even move into the top two if Ricky Rubio doesn't declare for the draft. They see a mobile shot-blocker who can affect the game with his length and defense. In a draft that lacks size or upside, it sounds like most GMs are willing to take the risk and be patient with his development.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/8/2009 5:07:58 PM

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Roy Williams can't be too happy with these top 5 projections for Davis.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/14/2009 4:02:26 PM

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Interesting. Could be good news for the Wolves:

Mike, FL: Is John Wall the No. 1 pick in 2010 Draft. He was awesome at the Hoop Summit game.

SportsNation Chad Ford: He was awesome and he'll compete with Ed Davis and a few other freshmen for that. However, there is some buzz that Wall believes he might be eligible for THIS year's draft. I've been doing some digging and will be filing a story later today. The short rub is this: Wall is a 5th year senior and depending on how you read the collective bargaining agreement, 5th year seniors are eligible for the draft as long as the turn 19 in the calander year (Wall does). The league is taking a wait and see approach. If he declares, they'll research and make a ruling. If he does declare and is ruled eligible (two big ifs) he's a Top 5 pick in this draft. Maybe Top 3.

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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/15/2009 9:03:14 AM

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Interesting. Could be good news for the Wolves:

Mike, FL: Is John Wall the No. 1 pick in 2010 Draft. He was awesome at the Hoop Summit game.

SportsNation Chad Ford: He was awesome and he'll compete with Ed Davis and a few other freshmen for that. However, there is some buzz that Wall believes he might be eligible for THIS year's draft. I've been doing some digging and will be filing a story later today. The short rub is this: Wall is a 5th year senior and depending on how you read the collective bargaining agreement, 5th year seniors are eligible for the draft as long as the turn 19 in the calander year (Wall does). The league is taking a wait and see approach. If he declares, they'll research and make a ruling. If he does declare and is ruled eligible (two big ifs) he's a Top 5 pick in this draft. Maybe Top 3.

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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

From looking at his YouTube montage, it looks like the Draft Express report looks pretty accurate. Not a lot of outside shooting, but he's quick, athletic and seems equally effective with either hand, going left or right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPB3xzVDRpE

It also seems like maybe he's got a little bit of John Gilchrist in him.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/16/2009 6:44:09 PM

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Anyone know how the Wolves conditional picks involving others ended up?

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/16/2009 6:50:53 PM

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Anyone know how the Wolves conditional picks involving others ended up?

We get ours, Miami's and Boston's.

No idea on the 2nd round situation.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 8:16:03 AM

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I believe the Pistons receive the Wolves 2009 second round pick because of the enormously beneficial Ronald DuPree trade several years ago. And the Wolves get two of Miami's second round picks in 2009 because of the ill-advised Mario Chalmers trade last year. I think the Wolves get the two least favorable picks between Miami, Indiana and Philadelphia.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 10:55:09 AM

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Credits2009 first round draft pick from BostonBoston's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota (top 3 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 2 protected in 2010, top 2 protected in 2011, and unprotected in the 2012 Draft). [Boston - Minnesota, 7/31/2007]2009 first round draft pick from UtahUtah's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota via Philadelphia (top 22 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 15 protected in 2010, top 17 protected in 2011, top 16 protected in 2012, and top 16 protected in the 2013 Draft). However, if: (i) Utah's own 2009 first round draft is not protected, and (ii) Utah is entitled to receive New York’s own 2009 first round draft pick, then Utah shall convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia the more favorable of its own 2009 first round draft pick and New York’s 2009 first round draft pick. Further, if: (x) Utah did not satisfy its obligations to Philadelphia in 2009 and (y) if Utah's own 2010 first round draft is not protected, and (z) if Utah is entitled to receive New York’s own 2010 first round draft pick, then Utah shall convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia the least favorable of its own 2010 first round draft pick and New York’s 2010 first round draft pick. If Minnesota via Philadelphia does not receive a first round draft pick from Utah pursuant to the foregoing in any of the Drafts from 2009 through 2013, then Utah’s obligation to send a first round draft pick to Minnesota via Philadelphia shall be extinguished and Utah shall instead convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia Utah’s own 2014 second round draft pick and pay to Philadelphia cash. [Philadelphia - Utah, 12/29/2007 and then Minnesota - Philadelphia, 7/9/2008]2009 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota (top 10 protected in 2009, top 6 protected in 2010, and unprotected in the 2011 Draft). [Miami - Minnesota, 10/24/2007]2009 second round draft pick from MiamiThe two less favorable of Miami’s own 2009 2nd round pick, Indiana’s own 2009 2nd round pick and Philadelphia’s own 2009 2nd round pick to Minnesota. [Miami - Minnesota, 6/26/2008]2010 second round draft pick from HoustonHouston's own 2010 2nd round pick to Minnesota [Houston - Minnesota, 2/21/2008]Debits2009 first round draft pick to L.A. ClippersMinnesota's own 2009 1st round pick to the L.A. Clippers (top 10 protected in 2009, top 10 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, and unprotected in the 2012 Draft). [LA Clippers - Minnesota, 8/12/2005]2009 second round draft pick to DetroitMinnesota's own 2009 2nd round pick to Detroit [Detroit - Minnesota, 10/31/2005]2010 second round draft pick to PhiladelphiaMinnesota's own 2010 2nd round pick to Philadelphia (top 55 protected in the 2010 Draft). If Minnesota's own 2010 2nd round pick is in the top 55 picks, then Minnesota's obligations to Philadelphia shall be extinguished. [Minnesota - Philadelphia, 7/9/2008]

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 10:56:04 AM

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The wolves have 3 1st round picks this year and 2 2nd this year.

Hopefully they can turn that into some very good talent.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 11:14:05 AM

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Lance Blanks is one of the names that's been thrown around for the GM spot. Might not be a bad choice as he's worked in San Antonio and Cleveland.

Prior to joining the Cavaliers, Lance Blanks served as the director of scouting for the San Antonio Spurs. He joined the Spurs in 2000 as a scout and was promoted to director of scouting in September of 2002. Also while in San Antonio, Blanks served as the Spurs television analyst during the 2004-05 season.

Quentin (Cleveland): I've been wanting to ask you and Danny Ferry this question ever since you guys got here. (This is not my personal opinion.) What would you tell your critics that are saying 'Why did you leave a championship team for a team that didn't even make to the playoffs last season?'

Lance Blanks: Personally, I welcomed the opportunity of the challenge to be a part of something new and different in an effort to help bring some success here.

Ed (Cleveland): What's different about your role with Cleveland vs. San Antonio?

Lance Blanks: Here, the infrastructure is being built while it was already established there. The organization is younger here as far as how long the group has been in place. In San Antonio, my scope was more narrow since the staff was pretty established. My latter part of my tenure in San Antonio was more focused on pro-personnel where as when I first got there I was doing more draft work and college scouting In Cleveland, I'll be involved in all acquisitions.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 2:23:03 PM

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Taylor wants to deal a couple picks to move up.....Personally, dependingon where they start, I don't mind, as long as they have at least 2 first rounders .

And please, don't draft some dude that'll never even come to the USA in the second round this year!?!?!

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 2:38:12 PM

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Wolves win tiebreaker with Memphis, get fifth pickPosted on April 17th, 2009 – 1:38 PM
By Jerry Zgoda

Wednesday’s season-ending loss to lousy Sacramento brought something good for the Wolves: They won today’s tiebreaking blind draw with Memphis and currently hold the NBA draft’s fifth pick and the fifth best odds entering next month’s draft lottery.
The two teams ended with identical 24-58 records. The Grizzlies now are slotted sixth.
The Wolves also have a so slightly better advantage in the lottery, a 7.6 percent chance of getting the No. 1 overall picked compared to Memphis’ 7.5 percent.
But remember what happened two years ago: Portland won the draw with the Wolves and ended up winning the lottery and getting Greg Oden and the Wolves chose Corey Brewer seventh.
The Wolves also own first round picks from Miami (18th overall) and Boston (28th). They also own the lowest two second picks of those belonging to Indiana, Miami and Philadelphia. Their own second rounder was traded away to Detroit.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/17/2009 4:32:23 PM

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Taylor wants to deal a couple picks to move up.....Personally, dependingon where they start, I don't mind, as long as they have at least 2 first rounders .

And please, don't draft some dude that'll never even come to the USA in the second round this year!?!?!

Heck, that's one of the best things you can do with a second round pick. The player isn't salary capped, and you maintain their rights. And then at some point you can bring them over on a minimum committment contract and see whether they're going to pan out.

If the T-wolves have more than 2 picks on draft day, I'll be surprised. They should trade at least one first round pick and convert the second round picks to cash. It's never a good idea to have more than 2 rookies, and the T-wolves already have an extremely young team.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/18/2009 6:56:45 AM

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I don't recall if the "plan" calls for Pekovic to come over for the 2010 season or the 2011 season, but he's still an asset. I don't necessarily see the value of insisting on 2 first round picks, myself. I think the Wolves have some decent young players, but I'd rather package picks, draft rights and existing player(s) to get a single impact guy, rather than add more players with ceilings similar to Ryan Gomes, for example.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/18/2009 7:12:22 AM

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I don't recall if the "plan" calls for Pekovic to come over for the 2010 season or the 2011 season, but he's still an asset. I don't necessarily see the value of insisting on 2 first round picks, myself. I think the Wolves have some decent young players, but I'd rather package picks, draft rights and existing player(s) to get a single impact guy, rather than add more players with ceilings similar to Ryan Gomes, for example.

That's what everyone would like to do.

Pekovic can get over here for the 2010 season, if I recall correctly. I think there's a modest buyout or something, but no significant impediment, and he wants to come to the NBA.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/18/2009 4:25:54 PM

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I don't recall if the "plan" calls for Pekovic to come over for the 2010 season or the 2011 season, but he's still an asset. I don't necessarily see the value of insisting on 2 first round picks, myself. I think the Wolves have some decent young players, but I'd rather package picks, draft rights and existing player(s) to get a single impact guy, rather than add more players with ceilings similar to Ryan Gomes, for example.

I would love to get an impact player, but outside of Griffin and Rubio, I don't see anyone else out there that will become an impact player. Unless we get some luck and move into the top 3 spots, I don't think any impact player will be available in the draft. Thats assuming someone will take Thabeet ahead of Rubio. I don't think either Miami or Bostons pick will add much to move into the top 3. Looks like a lot of Ryan Gomes guys in the draft and a lot of guys that will be over paid in the draft.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/18/2009 4:39:59 PM

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Credits2009 first round draft pick from BostonBoston's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota (top 3 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 2 protected in 2010, top 2 protected in 2011, and unprotected in the 2012 Draft). [Boston - Minnesota, 7/31/2007]2009 first round draft pick from UtahUtah's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota via Philadelphia (top 22 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 15 protected in 2010, top 17 protected in 2011, top 16 protected in 2012, and top 16 protected in the 2013 Draft). However, if: (i) Utah's own 2009 first round draft is not protected, and (ii) Utah is entitled to receive New York’s own 2009 first round draft pick, then Utah shall convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia the more favorable of its own 2009 first round draft pick and New York’s 2009 first round draft pick. Further, if: (x) Utah did not satisfy its obligations to Philadelphia in 2009 and (y) if Utah's own 2010 first round draft is not protected, and (z) if Utah is entitled to receive New York’s own 2010 first round draft pick, then Utah shall convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia the least favorable of its own 2010 first round draft pick and New York’s 2010 first round draft pick. If Minnesota via Philadelphia does not receive a first round draft pick from Utah pursuant to the foregoing in any of the Drafts from 2009 through 2013, then Utah’s obligation to send a first round draft pick to Minnesota via Philadelphia shall be extinguished and Utah shall instead convey to Minnesota via Philadelphia Utah’s own 2014 second round draft pick and pay to Philadelphia cash. [Philadelphia - Utah, 12/29/2007 and then Minnesota - Philadelphia, 7/9/2008]2009 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 2009 1st round pick to Minnesota (top 10 protected in 2009, top 6 protected in 2010, and unprotected in the 2011 Draft). [Miami - Minnesota, 10/24/2007]2009 second round draft pick from MiamiThe two less favorable of Miami’s own 2009 2nd round pick, Indiana’s own 2009 2nd round pick and Philadelphia’s own 2009 2nd round pick to Minnesota. [Miami - Minnesota, 6/26/2008]2010 second round draft pick from HoustonHouston's own 2010 2nd round pick to Minnesota [Houston - Minnesota, 2/21/2008]Debits2009 first round draft pick to L.A. ClippersMinnesota's own 2009 1st round pick to the L.A. Clippers (top 10 protected in 2009, top 10 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, and unprotected in the 2012 Draft). [LA Clippers - Minnesota, 8/12/2005]2009 second round draft pick to DetroitMinnesota's own 2009 2nd round pick to Detroit [Detroit - Minnesota, 10/31/2005]2010 second round draft pick to PhiladelphiaMinnesota's own 2010 2nd round pick to Philadelphia (top 55 protected in the 2010 Draft). If Minnesota's own 2010 2nd round pick is in the top 55 picks, then Minnesota's obligations to Philadelphia shall be extinguished. [Minnesota - Philadelphia, 7/9/2008]

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/20/2009 7:46:04 AM

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Yeah, I didn't want to read about Utah's pick (it may be a while before we get it because there are so many provisions) so I just posted the whole thing---my bad.

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