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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/20/2009 6:51:58 PM   
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Excuse the text, I ran it through a translator:

Ricky Rubio, bases of the DKV Joventut, has confirmed today that will declare elegible in next draft of NBA, after the meeting which they have maintained today the president of the dark-green club, Jordi Villacampa, and the representative of the player for the United States, Dan Fegan.

After the meeting, sources next to the player have confirmed to EFE that Ricky Rubio has decided “officially” to appear to the process of election of new players of NBA.

The term to register of formal way in “draft” finishes the next Sunday, 26 of April, although Blond it will have the possibility of retiring its candidacy up to ten days before the celebration of “draft”, anticipated for the 25 of June. The 19 of May the order in will be known which the tax exemptions will choose the players.

The young player of the 'Penyà has contract with the DKV Joventut until 2011 and one clause of rescission of six million euros, reason why only one good position in “draft” would allow him to assume the economic operation of the installment of its clause: the first calculations aim at that Ricky Rubio will have to locate itself in the three first positions of “draft” to assure his arrival to NBA.

http://www.lavanguardia.es/deportes/noticias/20090421/53686701684/ricky-estara-en-el-draft.html
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/20/2009 7:27:43 PM   
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/news/story?id=4084579

Ricky Rubio, the Spanish point guard sensation that has been compared to everyone from Pete Maravich to Steve Nash will declare for the 2009 NBA draft, his agent, Dan Fegan, told ESPN.com from Barcelona this afternoon.

Rubio will have until June 15 to withdraw his name from the draft. However, his agent sounded confident that he's staying in.

"Ricky will be in the 2009 draft," Fegan said. Fegan has been in Barcelona this week meeting with Rubio and his family trying to come to a decision.

Rubio is the starting point guard for DKV Joventut in Spain and is widely considered the best young international player in the world.

The 6-foot-4, 180-pound point guard from Barcelona has been a starter in the best basketball league in Europe since the age of 16. He made himself into an international phenomenon with his strong performance for Spain in the Olympics. Rubio more than held his own playing against NBA point guards like Chris Paul and Jason Kidd. This season he's averaging 10 points per game and six assists per game in the Spanish League in about 22 minutes per game.

Rubio has been the consensus No. 2 pick on the ESPN.com Top 100 for the entire year. While scouts say that he needs to get stronger and work on his jump shot, the consensus is that he's got the talent to be a star.

"He's special," one NBA GM told ESPN.com. "There aren't many kids you'll find at his age with such a terrific feel for the game. He just knows how to play. When he gets out there with players 10 years older than him, he just looks like he belongs. He'll have some adjusting to do in the NBA, but the truth is, he's as NBA ready as most of the college kids that are coming out. He's playing on a very big world stage."

Rubio's decision to enter the draft comes after months of speculation that he might return to his DKV Joventut for one more year. For Rubio to leave for the NBA, he's going to have to pay Joventut a huge buyout to be released from his contract there. NBA teams are limited to paying just $500,000 toward an international player's buyout by the collective bargaining agreement. That means if Rubio wants to play in the NBA, he's going to have to pay some of the buyout out of his own pocket.

Most likely, Rubio and Joventut come to some sort of compromise. If Joventut doesn't make it to the Spanish League Finals this year, most likely they won't be in the Euroleague next year. That puts more financial pressure on Joventut to come up with some sort of compromise that gives them financial relief from a buyout and allows Rubio to pursue his dream of playing in the NBA.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 8:53:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another benefit of having Rubio enter the draft is that he likely pushes Harden down another slot.  So even if the Wolves don't move up, as long as they don't move down they have a legit shot at him.  Draft Express has the Wolves selecting Harden and Maynor.  I can live with that. 

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 10:51:46 AM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 10:59:30 AM   
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A lot of mocks have Harden dropping to the Wolves at #5. I've always liked Harden. I think he will be a better NBA 2 Guard than Mayo.


I'm with ya.  If the Wolves don't move up for Rubio, Harden is the guy I'd want.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:03:36 AM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:22:31 AM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:26:25 AM   
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Why? We don't have either right now.


I think Foye is doing fine and getting better

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:30:36 AM   
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When he got the nod at the 2, he started to suck badly, IMO. His FG% was .416 in Dec, .385 in Jan, and .373 in Feb. He should not be starting for a serious team. He can put up points when you don't give a crap about winning games, but he's a 6th man at best, IMO.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:37:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep. That's why I'd think Harden and Maynor would be a nice first couple of picks for the Wolves, if they can't/won't move up.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:42:35 AM   
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Status: online 		I was all for reserving judgment on Foye until he had a good sample size exclusively at the 2. Now that we have that sample, Foye has proven that he is a very good combo guard. He isn't good enough to be a starting PG or a starting SG IMO, but he is capable enough at both positions to be a positive factor in a 6th man type role.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 12:00:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious about Hardin's height. If he's anywhere around 6'5 with shoes, I'm sold.

He supposedly has a 7 foot wingspan as well - combine measurements will be interesting.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 12:07:04 PM   
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I was all for reserving judgment on Foye until he had a good sample size exclusively at the 2. Now that we have that sample, Foye has proven that he is a very good combo guard. He isn't good enough to be a starting PG or a starting SG IMO, but he is capable enough at both positions to be a positive factor in a 6th man type role.


Aside from the "very good", I agree. He's a good combo guard. I'm not saying throw him off the team, but he really shouldn't be a key starter for a serious team. He'll top out as a good bench guard on a playoff team.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 12:34:20 PM   
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 10:04:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I only watched Harden in the NCAA tournament. That can't possibly be a reflectiom of his ability, can it? Not impressed at all. I want Evans.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/29/2009 11:21:57 PM   
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I only watched Harden in the NCAA tournament. That can't possibly be a reflectiom of his ability, can it? Not impressed at all. I want Evans.

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Harden is much better than he played in the NCAA tourney, but there are some legit concerns with him, IMO. 

Evans needs to continue to refine his PG skills at the NCAA level for at least one more year.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 4/30/2009 10:04:27 PM   
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I only watched Harden in the NCAA tournament. That can't possibly be a reflectiom of his ability, can it? Not impressed at all. I want Evans.

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Harden is much better than he played in the NCAA tourney, but there are some legit concerns with him, IMO. 

Evans needs to continue to refine his PG skills at the NCAA level for at least one more year.


Like his conditioning and his desire?  Doesn't seem very quick either to me.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/2/2009 5:01:56 AM   
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I'd mostly like Rubio.

Would be relatively happy with Harden.



It'd be nice to jump into the top 2 for a change
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/2/2009 9:16:19 AM   
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Mock draft: http://realgm.com/src_feature/1501/20090501/2009_nba_mock_draft_version_40/

I'd mostly like Rubio.

Would be relatively happy with Harden.



It'd be nice to jump into the top 2 for a change

That draft has us taking Harden at 5 and Budinger at 18. Interestingly Stephen Curry is available at pick 20 and BJ Mullens somewhere in the 20s. I know Mullens was super highly regarded last year. Why has he fallen so much. Is he a legit NBA defensive Center?
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/2/2009 9:41:42 AM   
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So how will the T-wolves lose the lottery?

1. Win the #3 pick!
2. Memphis wins a top two pick!
3. Pick #7 or lower!
4. Both 1&2!
5. Both 1&3!!

I kinda lean to #5, for the total heartwrenching unfairness of it all.

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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/2/2009 11:48:01 AM   
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I know Mullens was super highly regarded last year. Why has he fallen so much. Is he a legit NBA defensive Center?


Right now, he's not a legit college defensive center. He's got good size, soft hands and very good athleticism, but he's unbelievably raw. He's probably a better offensive player than defensive at this time - and he's quote good around the basket. But he doesn't have a post game at all and he gets lost on defense and pushed around. He also had a 1 to 6 assist to turnover ratio.

But he's not ready. In 20 minutes last year he scored 9 points with 4.7 rebounds and 1 block. And he didn't really show improvement as he played less late in the year.

He's a guy I'd take a flyer on if he's there at the Boston pick, but he's a HUGE project and a perfect example of a guy that needs at least 2 more years of college, because he's going to have to rely on learning basketball fundamentals at the pro level.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/6/2009 10:31:50 AM   
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I know Mullens was super highly regarded last year. Why has he fallen so much. Is he a legit NBA defensive Center?


Right now, he's not a legit college defensive center. He's got good size, soft hands and very good athleticism, but he's unbelievably raw. He's probably a better offensive player than defensive at this time - and he's quote good around the basket. But he doesn't have a post game at all and he gets lost on defense and pushed around. He also had a 1 to 6 assist to turnover ratio.

But he's not ready. In 20 minutes last year he scored 9 points with 4.7 rebounds and 1 block. And he didn't really show improvement as he played less late in the year.

He's a guy I'd take a flyer on if he's there at the Boston pick, but he's a HUGE project and a perfect example of a guy that needs at least 2 more years of college, because he's going to have to rely on learning basketball fundamentals at the pro level.

So what you are telling me is the risk is a lot higher than the potential reward. If he is there at the Boston Pick we have to take him IMO. 
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/6/2009 11:47:03 AM   
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I know Mullens was super highly regarded last year. Why has he fallen so much. Is he a legit NBA defensive Center?


Right now, he's not a legit college defensive center. He's got good size, soft hands and very good athleticism, but he's unbelievably raw. He's probably a better offensive player than defensive at this time - and he's quote good around the basket. But he doesn't have a post game at all and he gets lost on defense and pushed around. He also had a 1 to 6 assist to turnover ratio.

But he's not ready. In 20 minutes last year he scored 9 points with 4.7 rebounds and 1 block. And he didn't really show improvement as he played less late in the year.

He's a guy I'd take a flyer on if he's there at the Boston pick, but he's a HUGE project and a perfect example of a guy that needs at least 2 more years of college, because he's going to have to rely on learning basketball fundamentals at the pro level.

So what you are telling me is the risk is a lot higher than the potential reward. If he is there at the Boston Pick we have to take him IMO. 


He'd be the perfect kind of guy to take a flyer on with the Boston pick - and spend his entire first year in the D-League playing 30 minutes every game. But its a HUGE mistake for him to come out.
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/6/2009 4:59:05 PM   
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He'd be the perfect kind of guy to take a flyer on with the Boston pick - and spend his entire first year in the D-League playing 30 minutes every game. But its a HUGE mistake for him to come out.
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Since when did that stop anybody before.  They have a constitutional right to make HUGH mistakes.  Look at all the high schoolers that could have been much better NBA players if the spent a couple of years playing college ball.  Send me the money!
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RE: 2009 NBA Draft - 5/7/2009 7:53:53 AM   
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And wherever the pick ends up I say just say no to Rubio.  I don't see him advancing the team at all.  He's an entertaining circus act, a curiousity.  But we need something more solid than that right now.

< Message edited by Karl Juhnke -- 5/7/2009 7:56:20 AM >

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