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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:33:10 PM

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Yep
Always.
Very sound fundamentally.
Irritating as hell.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:35:34 PM

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Walker has to toughen up if he wants to be a baller. And this game has a upset feel. Walker is going to have to take over at some point.

BTW, Cronin is an excellent coach that people don't talk about.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:38:11 PM

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Agreed on all, guys.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:39:16 PM

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Yep
Always.
Very sound fundamentally.
Irritating as hell.

And look at us. We can't shoot a 3 (even tho we have a very good 3 shooter) and we can't make FT's. Imagine if some crazy scientist could create an athletic player that can actually shoot.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:40:16 PM

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How can I doubt him? Walker is my player of the year.

People forget, this team was not expected to do much. And it took a long time for Lamb to come around. Walker kept them alive. He's almost as valuable to his team as Fredette is to his.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:41:41 PM

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How can I doubt him? Walker is my player of the year.

I think one can make a very compelling argument for any of the big 3. (not Sullinger)

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:43:16 PM

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"For me, Wisconsin is a person," SMF said in the documentary, The Not-So-Fab-5.
"I hated Wisconsin and I hated everything Wisconsin stood for. Schools like Wisconsin don't recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited smart ginger-players that were Uncle Bobs."

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:43:49 PM

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Brilliant!

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:43:53 PM

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Yep
Always.
Very sound fundamentally.
Irritating as hell.

And look at us. We can't shoot a 3 (even tho we have a very good 3 shooter) and we can't make FT's. Imagine if some crazy scientist could create an athletic player that can actually shoot.

Imagine.
If we only could ....

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:45:15 PM

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I know you're not a Sullinger fan, but I really love his game, composure and BB knowledge. I don't think he's Player of the Year though. Wouldn't it be nice to watch him if he stayed in school? Even one more year. I like watching these kids get better at the college level, rather than get eaten up at the next.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:48:42 PM

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I know you're not a Sullinger fan, but I really love his game, composure and BB knowledge. I don't think he's Player of the Year though. Wouldn't it be nice to watch him if he stayed in school? Even one more year. I like watching these kids get better at the college level, rather than get eaten up at the next.

Absolutely. And there's plenty to like about his game. I just don't think there's a great argument for him over any of those 3 for player of the year.

Was thinking about that earlier today (the staying in school part); Vandy's going to have 6 rotation players that are seniors next year, and lose no one. They should be VERY deep in experience, which is so rare. Maybe they can finally make it past the 1st then.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:51:45 PM

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Kemba really stepped up.

Big Least down to 4. 3 or 2 tomorrow.

West region still without a single upset yet (knocking on wood).

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:55:27 PM

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Sullinger reminds me of an undersized Tim Duncan. Not NBA Duncan, Wake Forest Duncan. And as Freshmen, Sullinger is better. I love watching these guys get better. I quickly lose interest when they become professionals.

And, what is wrong with the NBA? Why does it seem like they suck at developing players? That part should be easy.

Not a Duke fan, but coach K can teach a kid more about basketball in one practice than some NBA coaches can't seem to do in an entire season.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:57:21 PM

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Did they not get the memo? Most of these rookies are not ready for your "system" they still haven't mastered the basics. Teach them.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 10:58:03 PM

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Yep. I still enjoy the NBA, and think there's a great deal of exciting, young talent in the league right now.

But it doesn't hold a candle to the college game for me, and I'd much prefer these guys stay too.

I think coaching is a great point; I think there's a couple of things at work there:

1) Most NBA coaches have been coaching forever and just don't want to put in the work to coach guys individually anymore. Even assistants. College coaches are generally younger and hungrier OR a ton of their motivation is "teaching young men" (see Coach K/Izzo/Roy Williams, etc.)
2) I think generally the guys who go to the NBA young think too highly of themselves and don't want to put the work in necessary and aren't as "coachable" as other guys. Not everyone, certainly, but a higher percentage.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:01:17 PM

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Yep, and of course, the Sioux win the Final Five.
Wetting my dog down now, so he doesn't spontaneously catch on fire, and preparing safe spot in basement for the impending tornado that is sure to approach soon.
Very little else can go wrong after that. Just need to get thru the next couple hours.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:04:39 PM

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sorry man. sucks.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:06:56 PM

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Love players and coaches who take responsibility for their mistakes.

Each team had a chance to win it from the foul line in the last 2 seconds. After Butler's Shelvin Mack inexplicably fouled Gilbert Brown near midcourt with 1.4 seconds left, Brown made the first try to tie it.

He missed the second, and Howard was fouled by Robinson while grabbing the rebound -- a foul even more unnecessary than the one that preceded it.

"I've been playing basketball my whole life and I know I shouldn't have done that. It was a stupid play," Robinson said. "It wasn't the ref's fault. It was my fault."

Robinson tried to answer another question, but got choked up and just shook his head side to side before putting a towel over his head.

When Howard grabbed the rebound of Brown's miss, it appeared the game would be going to overtime because the Bulldogs were out of timeouts. Then Robinson stuck his arm into the fray.

"I was really surprised," Howard said. "I felt his arm come across mine, so I just threw the ball to the rim."

Howard made the first shot, then intentionally banged the second attempt off the rim.

And soon after that, Butler was rejoicing at midcourt.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:08:00 PM

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The NBA playoffs are nice.

I still think that too much emphasis is placed on system over fundamentals. And I think the players are the ones that suffer. Some of that is on the players though, and I get that. The NBA could be so much better, in terms of a finished product.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:10:29 PM

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Yep. I still enjoy the NBA, and think there's a great deal of exciting, young talent in the league right now.

But it doesn't hold a candle to the college game for me, and I'd much prefer these guys stay too.

I think coaching is a great point; I think there's a couple of things at work there:

1) Most NBA coaches have been coaching forever and just don't want to put in the work to coach guys individually anymore. Even assistants. College coaches are generally younger and hungrier OR a ton of their motivation is "teaching young men" (see Coach K/Izzo/Roy Williams, etc.)
2) I think generally the guys who go to the NBA young think too highly of themselves and don't want to put the work in necessary and aren't as "coachable" as other guys. Not everyone, certainly, but a higher percentage.

This is really good.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:12:01 PM

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Cool of the kid. Feel bad for him.

Ya, don't disagree on the NBA. Like I said, I still enjoy it, but it's not what it once was or could be. I still maintain that Jordan and Stern ruined the league a bit by making it about individual "stars" and highlight plays rather than a team. And I think that's seeped into every avenue of the league in one form or another.

And what's really weird is that it was Magic and Bird who saved the league in the first place, the ultimate team guys, and that's when the league was at its best.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:26:28 PM

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Cool of the kid. Feel bad for him.

Ya, don't disagree on the NBA. Like I said, I still enjoy it, but it's not what it once was or could be. I still maintain that Jordan and Stern ruined the league a bit by making it about individual "stars" and highlight plays rather than a team. And I think that's seeped into every avenue of the league in one form or another.

And what'd really weird is that it was Magic and Bird who saved the league in the first place, the ultimate team guys, and that's when the league was at its best.

My personal opinion I'm sure is different than most, but I loved the NBA before Bird/Magic.

Financially, they probably did save the League, but I didn't need to be saved from it. I loved pre Magic NBA. IMO, Bird and Magic didn't save the NBA. They did make them realize that they could market individuals. And that's what saved the NBA. It's almost like the NBA made Jordan in a lab. He is exactly what they needed.

I don't know how old you are, but there was really good NBA before Magic and Bird.

Also, I saw that thing a couple of years ago on HBO, about Magic and Bird. It's a must watch. I'm guessing every body in here has seen it.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:34:46 PM

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Ya, I'm too young to remember pre Larry/Magic. My earliest memories are in the their heydays. I know and appreciate a lot of the history though and am sure I would have loved it before them too.

But I do think that Jordan was the first to REALLY make it an "individual"/isolation game. Marketing too. And I think that's hurt. Everyone's worried about being "the man" or putting up "numbers" now instead of playing the game as a team and to win.

Have seen the HBO special; fantastic.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/19/2011 11:55:04 PM

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The NBA tried to make Bird/Magic bigger than Celtics/Lakers. Bad move.

Somehow someway kids need to be taught about basketball as a team sport. But, everybody wants to win. Young kid in middle school that is a beast, the coaching stops. It's all about winning.

The media plays such a big role in this too. Somebody gets "posterized". Guess what? As a player, I'd rather be in that poster trying to defend, than just get out of the way. The NBA markets individuals. Young kids want to be like them. Without the intervention of a good coach, that loves to teach, these kids are lost.

The beautiful thing about basketball is that you can get better at the game all by yourself. You can shoot, shoot, shoot. But you can't learn to be a defender all by yourself. You can't learn shot selection by yourself.

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RE: 2011 NCAA Tournament Bracket Challenge - 3/20/2011 10:05:22 AM

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Hard not to love the college atmosphere, the enthusiasm, the rivalries, and the coaching effect on the game.
Still sometimes it's like watching womens basketball compared to the NBA (my daughters both played HS basketball). The NBA has gotten back to the point where there are about a half dozen teams I like to watch as much as possible.

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