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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/22/2011 12:22:05 PM   
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I'd say Utah is a virtual lock to keep their pick. They'd have to pick up 4 games with 11 or so to go to not keep it.

But Memphis COULD keep theirs too. They're 1 game up in the loss column vs. Phoenix and 2 vs. Houston.

Phoenix: @LAL, TOR, NO, DAL, @SAC, OKC, LAC, @SAS, @CHI, @MIN, @NO, @DAL, MIN, SAS
Memphis: @BOS, @CHI, SAS, GS, @NO, MIN, LAC, SAC, NO, @POR, @LAC
Houston: GS, @MIA, @NJ, @PHI, SAS, ATL, SAC, @NO, LAC, DAL, @MIN

I put projected "wins" in bold, just going strictly by record. If that were to happen, it would leave:

Phoenix: 40-42
Memphis: 44-38
Houston: 43-39

Obviously we have no clue what actually happens; regular season games are volatile. And Gay is out for the year for Memphis.

Hollinger has playoff odds at:

New Orleans: 82.2%
Memphis:75.1%
Houston: 38.9%
Phoenix: 10.5%
Utah: 1.3%

Whoops, screwed up; edited it.

< Message edited by djskillz -- 3/22/2011 12:32:46 PM >


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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/23/2011 9:46:31 AM   
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I'd say Utah is a virtual lock to keep their pick. They'd have to pick up 4 games with 11 or so to go to not keep it.

But Memphis COULD keep theirs too. They're 1 game up in the loss column vs. Phoenix and 2 vs. Houston.

Phoenix: @LAL, TOR, NO, DAL, @SAC, OKC, LAC, @SAS, @CHI, @MIN, @NO, @DAL, MIN, SAS
Memphis: @BOS, @CHI, SAS, GS, @NO, MIN, LAC, SAC, NO, @POR, @LAC
Houston: GS, @MIA, @NJ, @PHI, SAS, ATL, SAC, @NO, LAC, DAL, @MIN

I put projected "wins" in bold, just going strictly by record. If that were to happen, it would leave:

Phoenix: 40-42
Memphis: 44-38
Houston: 43-39

Obviously we have no clue what actually happens; regular season games are volatile. And Gay is out for the year for Memphis.

Hollinger has playoff odds at:

New Orleans: 82.2%
Memphis:75.1%
Houston: 38.9%
Phoenix: 10.5%
Utah: 1.3%

Whoops, screwed up; edited it.


I'm assuming you did that before knowing Rudy Gay out for rest of year

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/23/2011 10:11:15 AM   
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I'd say Utah is a virtual lock to keep their pick. They'd have to pick up 4 games with 11 or so to go to not keep it.

But Memphis COULD keep theirs too. They're 1 game up in the loss column vs. Phoenix and 2 vs. Houston.

Phoenix: @LAL, TOR, NO, DAL, @SAC, OKC, LAC, @SAS, @CHI, @MIN, @NO, @DAL, MIN, SAS
Memphis: @BOS, @CHI, SAS, GS, @NO, MIN, LAC, SAC, NO, @POR, @LAC
Houston: GS, @MIA, @NJ, @PHI, SAS, ATL, SAC, @NO, LAC, DAL, @MIN

I put projected "wins" in bold, just going strictly by record. If that were to happen, it would leave:

Phoenix: 40-42
Memphis: 44-38
Houston: 43-39

Obviously we have no clue what actually happens; regular season games are volatile. And Gay is out for the year for Memphis.

Hollinger has playoff odds at:

New Orleans: 82.2%
Memphis:75.1%
Houston: 38.9%
Phoenix: 10.5%
Utah: 1.3%

Whoops, screwed up; edited it.


I'm assuming you did that before knowing Rudy Gay out for rest of year


We just don't know what that full effect will be, so I just did it based on records alone.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/25/2011 2:09:48 AM   
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Williams #1, Barnes #2, Irving #3: http://www.nbadraft.net/
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/25/2011 9:53:08 AM   
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Williams #1, Barnes #2, Irving #3: http://www.nbadraft.net/


No love for Kemba Walker? I see they have the Wolves taking him later. Kahn loves drafting PG's

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/25/2011 10:04:46 AM   
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Williams #1, Barnes #2, Irving #3: http://www.nbadraft.net/


No love for Kemba Walker? I see they have the Wolves taking him later. Kahn loves drafting PG's


I'd actually be surprised if he's on the board that late.  Like Burks, I think he'll be long gone by the end of the lottery.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/26/2011 8:31:52 PM   
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If the Wolves and up with Irving, Burks, or Barnes I will be happy. If we get Irving that would allow us to see what Rubio's value is and consider a trade.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 12:51:29 AM   
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I know that not too many people have talked about Mack from Butler or Knight from Kentucky. Any thoughts on those two? I find it amazing how Calipari can get 3 freshman in Kanter, Jones, and Knight who may be better than what he had the year before.....wow.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 1:27:09 AM   
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D Williams thinks he's an NBA small forward
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 1:32:24 AM   
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I'd take the best player available and then make trades to work everything else out. This team is basically lacking at all positions other than PF. It'd be great to get Irving and then trade Rubio for a top 10 pick in 2012.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 6:17:05 AM   
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I haven't watched enough of Rubio to know for sure, but my sense is that he isn't big enough or strong enough to guard NBA SG's on a regular basis.  If I was sure he could, I'd probably draft Irving and keep them both, since I think offensively, Rubio would do fine with a high-efficiency score first kinda guard.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 7:09:03 AM   
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I'd take the best player available and then make trades to work everything else out. This team is basically lacking at all positions other than PF. It'd be great to get Irving and then trade Rubio for a top 10 pick in 2012.

I am sure you would do this and maybe a lpt of other guys would do this as well. But unless Kahn is gone, which I see no signs of this happening any time soon, Kahn will never make this trade. If Kahn makes this trade, he is esentially admiting that for the past two years everythig he has been saying is smoke. Maybe he is, but its another thing to admit it. Another management rule, never let your customers make top management decisions. Even if they make more sense then what you do.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 9:05:48 AM   
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I know that not too many people have talked about Mack from Butler or Knight from Kentucky. Any thoughts on those two? I find it amazing how Calipari can get 3 freshman in Kanter, Jones, and Knight who may be better than what he had the year before.....wow.


Knight probably is the 2nd best PG prospect for the NBA, after Irving. 
Knight had a good season but I think a lot of people were expecting more.

I doubt Mack leaves Butler.  If he did, I really couldn't see him going in
the first round.  He really isn't a very good shooter, and I don't know if he
has the quicks to be a good NBA PG.

If you were impressed with Kentucky's Freshmen class this year, wait until you see next years.  3 more coming in that may be even better than this current trio.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/27/2011 10:12:45 AM   
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D Williams thinks he's an NBA small forward
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212573/Derrick_Williams_Sees_Himself_As_NBA_Small_Forward


A perplexing position of need for the Wolves. We have Beasley and Randolph. With Barnes, Williams, and Jones as possible options, will we go that direction?
No doubt we need to strengthen just about every position on the team, but even with the possible addition of Rubio I see us early attempting to pursue the guards. Irving and Burks seem the most interesting to me.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/29/2011 11:32:56 AM   
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We do have a 2011 draft thread to use instead of the 2009


As Jim pointed out.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/29/2011 12:48:37 PM   
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Status: offline Only other prediction - This will go down as a golden year for rookies. One for the ages. There are at least 6 legitimate potential stars who could dominate for a long time, and many other solid players just below them.

I'm counting Griffin in the group since he didn't play last year. Griffin, Wall, Turner, Cousins, Johnson, Favors. That's a class as good as any in the NBA in the last several years.

This as written last fall. Looking back at last years rookie class, a lot of players have not lived up of yet have lived up to their potential in this draft. Going intothis draft I am more concern about the plwyers drafted. With no clear niumber 1 and little agreement on the order, there is a good chance that a player taken at number 10 is as good as earlier picks. Can anybody say Kevn Love. Its extremely hard to be a good draft predictor when the best indicator of the best players is a record three years down he road.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/29/2011 1:25:44 PM   
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I'm sure people here know this, but Love was (rightfully so) a top 5 pick, and we traded the #3 pick for him. Honestly, the only "screw up" in the top 5 picks was OJ Mayo, who's been a colassal bust.

Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love are all stars in the NBA, and Micheal Beasley is a solid starter. Actually, those 3 guys make up one of the better "tops" of a draft in a long time.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/29/2011 1:51:30 PM   
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I'm sure people here know this, but Love was (rightfully so) a top 5 pick, and we traded the #3 pick for him. Honestly, the only "screw up" in the top 5 picks was OJ Mayo, who's been a colassal bust.

Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love are all stars in the NBA, and Micheal Beasley is a solid starter. Actually, those 3 guys make up one of the better "tops" of a draft in a long time.


Yeah, its one of the very few drafts that needs much reshuffling at the top. I think I'd go:

1. Rose
2 or 3. Westbrook & Love (depending on need)
4. Gordon

Beasley fits in with some very nice other players like Ibaka, Batum, McGee, Lopez, Gallinari, Randolph, Jordan and Hibbert.

A lot of strong bigs that year.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/29/2011 2:47:36 PM   
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Honestly, the only "screw up" in the top 5 picks was OJ Mayo, who's been a colassal bust.


Everything is relative, but I wouldn't say Mayo has been a colossal bust.  He's surely not the third-best player of his draft, but he's better value at #3 in '08 than Flynn was at #6 in '09.  It's not difficult to argue that Flynn was the worst player taken in the first round of 2009 and there are at least 10 players taken in the second round better as well.  Just horrendous.  

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/31/2011 6:40:09 PM   
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Shirley Barnes told The Daily Tar Heel that her son has goals that he wants to fulfill.

The North Carolina freshman forward said after losing 76-69 to Kentucky on Sunday in the Elite Eight that he felt just like he did three years ago, when a last-second shot gave Iowa’s Marshalltown the 51-50 win against Barnes-led Ames in the state playoffs when he was a sophomore.

“That hurt for three months,” his mom, Shirley Barnes, said on Tuesday. “And that was the last time he lost. He has goals and I think he wants to fulfill those goals.”

When asked if he had played his final game in a North Carolina uniform, Barnes gave no indication which way he was leaning, only that he was living in the moment that visibly consumed him.

“I’m not thinking about the NBA,” he said.

Shirley Barnes said when the time is right, her son will make his decision.

“Harrison needs to heal from this loss,” she said. “We haven’t really talked about it, honestly. It’s not pressing to us. It’s what it is.”




Maybe neither Irving nor Barnes in this draft ~
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/31/2011 6:44:18 PM   
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Would be awesome. And take the Duke/UNC rivalry up another notch. Both have great classes coming in too.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 3/31/2011 7:53:36 PM   
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Honestly, the only "screw up" in the top 5 picks was OJ Mayo, who's been a colassal bust.


Everything is relative, but I wouldn't say Mayo has been a colossal bust.  He's surely not the third-best player of his draft, but he's better value at #3 in '08 than Flynn was at #6 in '09.  It's not difficult to argue that Flynn was the worst player taken in the first round of 2009 and there are at least 10 players taken in the second round better as well.  Just horrendous.  



Yeah Elliot it is starting to appear that Kahn not only drafted two point guards at #5, and #6, but what's worse is that he perhaps has drafted two point guards that can't play.......
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 4/1/2011 4:08:41 AM   
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I don't know what you have seen that makes you feel that Rubio can't play. He certainly held his own against Rose. I consider Rose to be the best NBA point guard. If not the best, he is certainly up there. If your basing this on NY media story that Rubio isn't coming here until there is peace in the NBA well you may have somethng there. Unless the Players Association has a war chest to get them through 2015, we will not be watching much NBA ball anytime soon once the season is over.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 4/1/2011 6:19:11 AM   
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Honestly, the only "screw up" in the top 5 picks was OJ Mayo, who's been a colassal bust.


Everything is relative, but I wouldn't say Mayo has been a colossal bust.  He's surely not the third-best player of his draft, but he's better value at #3 in '08 than Flynn was at #6 in '09.  It's not difficult to argue that Flynn was the worst player taken in the first round of 2009 and there are at least 10 players taken in the second round better as well.  Just horrendous.  



Yeah Elliot it is starting to appear that Kahn not only drafted two point guards at #5, and #6, but what's worse is that he perhaps has drafted two point guards that can't play.......


Well, you can see the spinning has already started, where initially Kahn said that any lack of team talent is his responsibility, but lately the word from the front office is that Rambis has been given the players he wanted (Flynn notwithstanding, since he was drafted before Rambis arrived).  But if you look at Flynn, he has regressed this year and I'm not convinced it's all about his hip injury.  Look at Ramon Sessions.  He was never a world-beater, but last season in Minnesota was easily his worst as a professional.  Was that a coincidence?  I don't think so.  It's because Rambis is a crappy coach or because Rambis runs a crappy system.  Or both.  My money is on both.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 4/1/2011 8:59:25 AM   
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I don't know what you have seen that makes you feel that Rubio can't play. He certainly held his own against Rose. I consider Rose to be the best NBA point guard. If not the best, he is certainly up there. If your basing this on NY media story that Rubio isn't coming here until there is peace in the NBA well you may have somethng there. Unless the Players Association has a war chest to get them through 2015, we will not be watching much NBA ball anytime soon once the season is over.



I base it on actually watching Rubio play in his current league. Allstar/ International play is completely different then what you see night in/ night out on one's professional team. Rubio has actually lost minutes on his team for lack of production (5 pts 4 assists). Quite sure Rose playing with his Bull team would be a completely different animal for Rubio right now.

I wasn't sold on him when the hype machine was in full effect for a lack of athletism, and no outside shot. Now he is just a very poor man's version of Jason Kidd (Albeit weaker, and unable to beat anyone off the dribble as they don't have to respect his outside shot).

I hope the kid turns it around, but right now I just don't see it with him.
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