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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 8:29:56 AM   
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Brooks was the classic big fish in a small pond.



What small pond? Providence, or the Big East?

He showed quite well against conference competition.

Aside from Walker, there wasn't a Big East player that had to carry the load like Brooks did.

Among Brooks, Burks and Thompson, I think Burks is going to have the least productive NBA career.

What size pond did Burks swim in? Or Klay Thompson for that matter? Hell, Thompson was only marginally better than his Somali teammate.



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Probably the most suspect candidate, according to Draft Rater, is Marshon Brooks; his 7.88 rating was 27th among perimeter players. The Providence guard put up huge stats, but his average is hugely padded by two factors: First, the Friars played the fastest pace of any major Division I team; second, Brooks played nearly every minute of every game, averaging 36.5 per game -- remember, they play only 40 in college. Let all the air out and his numbers look a lot more ordinary -- his usage rate, which is his most alluring stat, ranks only ninth among prospects. Given his age (22 and five months) and his relative inefficiency, I'm not sure there's a ton to see here. Draft Rater sees him as a second rounder.


Providence was a small pond where the offense was forced through him and he was on the floor all the time. There was a reason he went 27th in a weak draft. He will be out of the league when his 3 guaranteed years are up.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 8:37:58 AM   
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So glad to see Rambis and Flynn gone. Talk about addition from subtraction.

Rubio and Williams will both add a lot to this team.

We're a much better team than last year on paper. Now let's see how it plays out.


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At least we took the beat athletet available at the time at #2 (imo)

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 9:11:01 AM   
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 9:20:31 AM   
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So glad to see Rambis and Flynn gone. Talk about addition from subtraction.

Rubio and Williams will both add a lot to this team.

We're a much better team than last year on paper. Now let's see how it plays out.


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At least we took the beat athletet available at the time at #2 (imo)


The bad thing about last year is Rambis was forced to play Flynn over Telfair and at times Ridnour (to increase value)....Telfair didn't deserve it as he played well at times.....but deserves have nothing to do with it....

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:00:21 AM   
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So glad to see Rambis and Flynn gone. Talk about addition from subtraction.

Rubio and Williams will both add a lot to this team.

We're a much better team than last year on paper. Now let's see how it plays out.


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At least we took the beat athletet available at the time at #2 (imo)


The bad thing about last year is Rambis was forced to play Flynn over Telfair and at times Ridnour (to increase value)....Telfair didn't deserve it as he played well at times.....but deserves have nothing to do with it....

There are a lot of things in life people don't deserve and a lot of bad things happen to good people, get over it. Coaches are paid to coach and do a lot of things they don't like or want to do. If this team played half way decent, we would not have this problem and this discussion. The bottom line is there are extremely few people on this team, from coaches, players, brass that went all out for it every night and did their job. They all deserved to be fired or cut. The fact that not everybody who does something wrong does't get fire or cut, provides no cover to those who do. The media people who feel that Rambis was wronged by the Wolves certainly have a moral argument, but we are living in an era of no morals, so what do they expect.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:30:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are missing the point....Flynn played like our third pg but was treated as good as our 1st string pg....

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:35:21 AM   
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Kahn also said the he sees Love playing Center next year (something many of us here have been hoping for)


I was just listening to him talk about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1kP3fW-48

He made brief mention at the 8:00 mark to the lineup of Wes, Michael, Derrick, and Love. Hopefully the new coach will be on board with it, because if Williams stays with us, it will be almost certainly be our best lineup (with Rubio).


Rick Majerus said yesterday that in today's NBA, Kevin Love's best position is as an undersized center.


Pretty much everyone but Rambis seemed aware of that.

Defensively, Love is a Center. He has an incredibly strong base and he forces people to score outside their comfort zone. He won't block shots or be a help defender, but he can play defense against 90%+ of the league's Centers. The guys he struggles with are the ones that are much bigger than him (like Bynum) or are long enough to just shoot over him (LMA or Pau). At PF he struggles because so many 4s are now outside shooters and Love's biggest weakness defensively is getting out and guarding the perimeter.

That's why the (not often seen) Love/Randolph pairing made so much sense. Randolph gives you the guy who can chase jumpshooters and provides help defense.

Hopefully we'll keep one of Darko/Pek for spot duty when we play an imposing, scoring Center, but our 4/5 rotation should really be Love, Randolph and Williams with a little Beasley and Tolliver.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:36:46 AM   
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You are missing the point....Flynn played like our third pg but was treated as good as our 1st string pg....


I don't have a problem with that. We were a crappy team and playing Telfair wasn't going to make us significantly better. And Telfair is a known commodity. As bad as he was, we needed to play Flynn minutes so we could see if there was anything there.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:42:50 AM   
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You are missing the point....Flynn played like our third pg but was treated as good as our 1st string pg....


I don't have a problem with that. We were a crappy team and playing Telfair wasn't going to make us significantly better. And Telfair is a known commodity. As bad as he was, we needed to play Flynn minutes so we could see if there was anything there.


Not significant...but Telfair was the better option but that is all mute with Lee and Rubio coming aboard....

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 11:02:47 AM   
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The player with 1 year experience has a chance to get better. The 6 year player really doesn't.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 11:29:16 AM   
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You are missing the point....Flynn played like our third pg but was treated as good as our 1st string pg....

No I fully understand your point and from a personal standpoint, I agree that this may have been extremely unfair. With that said, Rambis failed, and failed big time, on nearly everything else that he was asked to do, so even though you, Rambis and the media, are correct on this point, its still does not help him. He can not coach this team, at this time. This does not mean he would not do better elsewhere or that a person with a totally different system and/or personality would not do better. Thats my point and you are free to disagree with me!
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 12:01:09 PM   
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You play the bad player with 1 year experience to see if he'll get better (and see if he's worth keeping, or has any trade value), over the bad player with 6 years of experience that has no value.

The player with 1 year experience has a chance to get better. The 6 year player really doesn't.


It's also possible that the team felt they had seen enough of Flynn via practice and game time, and didn't want to kill any trade value that Flynn might still have by letting teams see more of him. Based on the limited film they have on him, other teams might think "he didn't get a complete opportunity" in Minny and are willing to give him that "complete opportunity" to develop. That is, until they see him in practice.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 12:36:36 PM   
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Status: online 		I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 1:10:38 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


I'll give you this Sweens. You have a great sense of humor and consistent loyalty to Flynn. I do agree Rambis did everything but help him. To me though he's got the score first mentality, is not a good finisher, and plays terrible defense. He just looks l;ike he's on his own planet when on the court.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 1:45:45 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


I think Flynn will end up being closer to the player we've seen during the past two seasons than to the player Kahn envisioned when he drafted him.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 1:48:17 PM   
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 2:41:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm happy to see Kahn finally make the conventional choice. I think he's gotten to cute the last two drafts.

I think any swapping picks for cash is clearly a Taylor directive. Hard to get angry at Kahn over that.

I still think Kahn is a bit too full of himself. I'd like to see him talk A LOT less at pressers. People are there to hear Rubio (or Williams or whoever) not to hear Kahn sound full of himself.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 2:43:01 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


He'll remain in the NBA, I'm not sure how "good" he'll be. He was on his way to McCants land with Rambis as his coach.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 2:48:36 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


I think Flynn will end up being closer to the player we've seen during the past two seasons than to the player Kahn envisioned when he drafted him.


He needs to be completely broken down and rebuilt. He's a mess as a PG.

He's a total showoff that always tries to make the flashy pass and never the fundamental one. He'll try stuff that Jason Kidd or Steve Nash wouldn't even dream of. He dribbles far too high, he pounds the ball, he's selfish, and he doesn't attempt to play defense.

He's fast, he's very strong. He's a great athlete with some serious explosion and he's got long arms for a guy his height. Physically he could be be a very good PG despite his stature. Its the mental part of the game that totally has him crossed up.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 3:16:07 PM   
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 3:18:46 PM   
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 3:28:33 PM   
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Status: online 		Funny reading the winners/losers of the draft articles. Most give Clev the nod but why? Irving is very unproven and is not even close to a D Rose type player, and T Thompson was a bit of a reach.

For the record, I believe Brandon Knight will be the stud of this draft. Wish we would've picked him. I think he could easily play the 2 with his shooting ability and having good ball skills from playing point at UK adds to his arsenal. Not sure he would compliment Rubio but I don't see why not. He could give you minutes at the 1 as well. He'll be the face of Detroit's franchise for years to come.

Not many trades last night due to the impending lockout. I think once the new CBA is in place we may see a flurry of wholesale trades.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 4:18:42 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


I'll give you this Sweens. You have a great sense of humor and consistent loyalty to Flynn. I do agree Rambis did everything but help him. To me though he's got the score first mentality, is not a good finisher, and plays terrible defense. He just looks l;ike he's on his own planet when on the court.


I disagree. I think he is a player who's self confidence was totally destroyed by an idiot coach combined with injury problems. If he stays with McHale, I predict a nice turn around. I remember the Fred Hoiberg comment that playing for Kevin McHale was the first time he ever felt 10 feet tall as a player. The Ostrich will simplfy it for him and get his confidence back. I'm not predicting elite status or an all star birth. I think he will establish himself as a legitimate NBA point guard, however.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 4:29:02 PM   
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 4:42:40 PM   
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