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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 5:09:43 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


I'll give you this Sweens. You have a great sense of humor and consistent loyalty to Flynn. I do agree Rambis did everything but help him. To me though he's got the score first mentality, is not a good finisher, and plays terrible defense. He just looks l;ike he's on his own planet when on the court.


I disagree. I think he is a player who's self confidence was totally destroyed by an idiot coach combined with injury problems. If he stays with McHale, I predict a nice turn around. I remember the Fred Hoiberg comment that playing for Kevin McHale was the first time he ever felt 10 feet tall as a player. The Ostrich will simplfy it for him and get his confidence back. I'm not predicting elite status or an all star birth. I think he will establish himself as a legitimate NBA point guard, however.


IMO, it a combination of the 2. He played better as a rookie than as a second-year player. Maybe his injury had something to do with it. Coaching (or lack thereof) prolly didn't help. But as DL points out, he's an unparalleled ball-pounder. He breaks the offense when he has the ball. At times he was worse than Troy Hudson (I'm not even kidding here). Just maddening. None of that is a result of his injury.

But the fact that Rambis is getting the ax and Kahn still couldn't trade Flynn fast enough tells me that Flynn burned a bridge or two along the way, with his teammates or people in the front office. If his horrendous second year was all on Rambis, there was a perfect opportunity to give him a fresh start, and Kahn still sent him packing, even knowing there would be a backlash after the initial praise Kahn heaped upon him. There's something else there. Bad attitude? Poor work habits? I don't know. But there was something.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 6:06:08 PM   
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Minnesota Timberwolves: A-

David Kahn was a reluctant bride, but he ultimately made it to the altar to draft Derrick Williams. The talent is absolutely there as he has a legitimate opportunity to become one of the best two or three inside/outside scorers in the entire NBA. There is also no guarantee that Kevin Love will stick around long-term, so any positional overlap (overstated) will be resolved either on the floor or via trade.

While the Wolves weren’t in a position to wait on Valanciunas at center, there is too much skill-set similarity between Enes Kanter and Love to be an ideal power forward/center pairing. I had Kanter as a higher ranked prospect than Williams, but that is based largely on assumption and Kahn doesn’t have that type of luxury right now.

Malcolm Lee had a disappointing career at UCLA, but at the very least is a guard with length that can defend a swath of backcourt players and handle the ball.

The Targuy Ngombo pick merits applause surely for creativity and makes me think of Tenzing Norgay.

• Derrick Williams, 2nd

• Malcolm Lee, 43rd

• Targuy Ngombo, 57

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 6:08:33 PM   
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Minnesota Timberwolves: A-

David Kahn was a reluctant bride, but he ultimately made it to the altar to draft Derrick Williams. The talent is absolutely there as he has a legitimate opportunity to become one of the best two or three inside/outside scorers in the entire NBA. There is also no guarantee that Kevin Love will stick around long-term, so any positional overlap (overstated) will be resolved either on the floor or via trade.

While the Wolves weren’t in a position to wait on Valanciunas at center, there is too much skill-set similarity between Enes Kanter and Love to be an ideal power forward/center pairing. I had Kanter as a higher ranked prospect than Williams, but that is based largely on assumption and Kahn doesn’t have that type of luxury right now.

Malcolm Lee had a disappointing career at UCLA, but at the very least is a guard with length that can defend a swath of backcourt players and handle the ball.

The Targuy Ngombo pick merits applause surely for creativity and makes me think of Tenzing Norgay.

• Derrick Williams, 2nd

• Malcolm Lee, 43rd

• Targuy Ngombo, 57





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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 6:14:26 PM   
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I really like Lee. He's a "combo guard", but he has SG size. 6'5.5, 200 lbs, 6'9.75 wingspan, 8'5.5 standing reach, 35.5 vertical and 17 reps on the bench.

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One of the more interesting early entry candidates in this year's draft class among the combo guard prospects, Malcolm Lee showed some promising signs in Las Vegas for a player who had only been cleared to play a few days before we saw due to a minor knee surgery.

The first thing that jumped out to us was how much smoother his shooting mechanics appeared to be. He's not pulling the ball back as far before his release as he did as a Bruin and looked extremely confident from the perimeter in the sessions we watched. He's made significant progress in his shooting mechanics since arriving at UCLA, and has been focusing on maximizing his ability to create shots off the dribble at Impact as you'll see in his workout video.

In one session, we got to see Lee work out with Kawhi Leonard and Alec Burks under the tutelage of Chauncey Billups. Of the three prospects involved, Lee had the most impressive footwork. He's still improving the consistency of his shot, but he looked comfortable staying on balance and knocking down his jumpers while fine-tuning the aggressive scoring moves Billups implemented in drills. His recent surgery didn't seem to be hindering him either, as he was finishing comfortably above the rim when the drills called for him to explode to the basket.

In three-on-three play, Lee teamed with Ibrahima Thomas of Cincinnati and Jon Diebler to form the most imposing unit in the games we watched. Playing with a clear strategy, Lee looked comfortable using the pick and roll to create off the dribble and made the smart play when he couldn't get his own shot off, finding Thomas under the rim on a number of occasions and setting Diebler up for catch-and-shoot jumpers from the wing. When he looked for his shot, Lee did a nice job taking what the defense gave him, but didn't take too many jumpers because of the “one shot and out” rule the games were restricted by.

Though Lee was not overly productive in his there seasons at UCLA, it was hard not to be impressed by what he showed working out with two projected lottery picks. He did not appear out of place at all and it will be worth keeping an eye out for how he shoots the ball in private workouts. Considering the success of UCLA guards in the NBA recently, Lee is definitely a name to keep an eye on as we move towards draft day.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 6:15:18 PM   
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Our last wrote about UCLA's Malcolm Lee came almost a year ago, as he was adjusting to a featured role in UCLA's offense as the team's primary ball-handler and creator. With the addition of junior college transfer Lazeric Jones to man the point guard slot, Lee has made the transition to full-time shooting guard this season as a junior, and so far he's had mixed results.

Standing at 6'5” with nice length and a physique that has improved over his career at UCLA, Lee certainly passes the eye test for an NBA combo guard prospect. Unfortunately his skill set and feel for game have yet to catch up with his physical tools.

While he's spent time playing the point and now the two spot, it's still unclear what type of role offensively Lee is most comfortable in, and best suits his game for the future. Former Bruins Russell Westbrook and Jrue Holiday both also had some trouble adjusting to Ben Howland's methodical offensive system, and spent the majority of their time playing shooting guard. Their NBA success obviously bodes well for Lee, and has likely had some scouts giving him the benefit of the doubt for his lack of production, but at some point he's going to have to give them more reasons to take a chance on him.

When taking a closer look at Lee's role this season, it's clear from that he's been spending more time off the ball. His assist numbers are down, but his turnover numbers have decreased at a similar rate as well, as he's spending more time spotting up on the wing and less time creating offense with the ball in his hands.

Lee is still far from a shooting specialist, but he has shown flashes of having the potential to be an adequate perimeter shooter at the NBA level, and has definitely made some nice strides in this part of his game. He's shooting more 3-pointers this season and shooting 31% from behind the arc, which is up from the poor 25% he shot as a sophomore, but his mechanics look much better than when we wrote about him before.

Shot selection is probably what's hurting him the most as a shooter this season. He's shooting a solid 40% on catch and shoot opportunities, which is way up from the dismal 23% he shot last year. He's also converting a terrible 17% on off the dribble jumpers though, mainly because he's taking shots that he has no business shooting.

Lee's mid-range game is still an area that improvement as well. He's shown the ability to create space using his size and athletic ability, but he doesn't have the feel to be a consistent threat. And while his smooth first step and physical abilities help him get to the basket as a slasher, he still doesn't finish at a high rate due to a lack of strength and craftiness and occasionally being out of control.

Lee is clearly at his best when he can get out in transition and utilize his athleticism in the open court, where he has the ability to lead the break or fill the lanes as a finisher. He seems much more comfortable handling the ball in the open court, and he shows better court vision than he does when he's handling the ball in traffic. He also finishes more effectively in transition when he's more under control and can rely more on his speed and elevation at the rim. With the NBA being a more wide open style than the college game, that certainly plays more to Lee's strengths.

On the defensive end, as we've mentioned before, Lee has all of the tools to excel at the NBA level with his combination of size, length, energy, athletic ability, and experience under a defensive-minded coach in Ben Howland. The fact that he projects to be able to defend both guard spots is an added bonus to his defensive potential at the next level.

Looking forward, it's clear that Lee is a talented player with some potential to build on, as he's still only 20 years old and possesses all of the physical attributes that scouts covet. His undefined position and role, and lack production in his third season at UCLA are definitely concerns that scouts will have to consider though.

His experiment at the point didn't lead to much success last year, and he doesn't seem to have the instincts or decision making skills to ever be a pure point guard. And while he's become more efficient on catch-and-shoot opportunities, he still doesn't project to be a big-time shooter or scorer on the wing.

Lee's defensive potential is probably the area where he stacks up best as an NBA prospect at this stage. In order to give himself the best chance in the future, Lee should embrace his strength as a defensive stopper who can cover either guard position. If he can do that while he continues to improve his perimeter shooting and adds polish to his slashing and overall floor game, Lee will earns looks from NBA teams looking to fill that void on their roster.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 7:10:46 PM   
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Just informed that Jonas Valanciunas' buyout was officially agreed upon & signed this afternoon. He'll be free to sign with Toronto in 2012.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 7:39:22 PM   
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Rumor has it the Wolves last pick is actually 27 & not 21 which makes him ineligible for draft. I don't know the rules for that though

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 7:44:37 PM   
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Just informed that Jonas Valanciunas' buyout was officially agreed upon & signed this afternoon. He'll be free to sign with Toronto in 2012.


Congrats to Toronto. In 5 years, we might look back and say he was the best from this draft.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 7:54:04 PM   
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Rumor has it the Wolves last pick is actually 27 & not 21 which makes him ineligible for draft. I don't know the rules for that though


According to the CBA no player may be eligible for more than two drafts, and an international player automatically becomes eligible at age 22.

So he was eligible when he was 22, and again at 23, and thus cannot be eligible any more. I suppose we could still sign him as a FA if we want.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 8:02:36 PM   
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Rumor has it the Wolves last pick is actually 27 & not 21 which makes him ineligible for draft. I don't know the rules for that though


According to the CBA no player may be eligible for more than two drafts, and an international player automatically becomes eligible at age 22.

So he was eligible when he was 22, and again at 23, and thus cannot be eligible any more. I suppose we could still sign him as a FA if we want.


Yea. I guess he last played in a Qutar league & they are all about youth and everyone lies about their age to play

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/24/2011 10:19:04 PM   
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Waiting for Ngombo?
Late Friday afternoon, the Wolves announced five of the six trades they made during Thursday night's fast and furious draft after they finally cleared through the NBA office. The one they didn't announce was a deal with Portland that brought them the 57th pick, which the Trail Blazers used to take forward Targuy Ngombo from the Congo for the Wolves.

The team said the trade was pending while Portland waited for a trade it made earlier with Dallas to be finalized. But it appears there's an issue with Ngombo's age. The FIBA website lists his birth year as 1984 rather than 1989. That, if true, would make him 26 and ineligible for the draft. The Wolves are waiting for a faxed copy of his passport to show he's 21.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/124525868.html
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 10:40:41 AM   
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Waiting for Ngombo?
Late Friday afternoon, the Wolves announced five of the six trades they made during Thursday night's fast and furious draft after they finally cleared through the NBA office. The one they didn't announce was a deal with Portland that brought them the 57th pick, which the Trail Blazers used to take forward Targuy Ngombo from the Congo for the Wolves.

The team said the trade was pending while Portland waited for a trade it made earlier with Dallas to be finalized. But it appears there's an issue with Ngombo's age. The FIBA website lists his birth year as 1984 rather than 1989. That, if true, would make him 26 and ineligible for the draft. The Wolves are waiting for a faxed copy of his passport to show he's 21.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/124525868.html



The Blazers are just trying to keep one of the few records they still have in NBA lore.

The record for most trades on draft day is currently held by the Portland Trail Blazers (2007) if this trade goes through they will be tied with the Wolves at 6.

Hey we gotta take records where we can get them....

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 1:45:00 PM   
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Late Friday afternoon, the Wolves announced five of the six trades they made during Thursday night's fast and furious draft after they finally cleared through the NBA office. The one they didn't announce was a deal with Portland that brought them the 57th pick, which the Trail Blazers used to take forward Targuy Ngombo from the Congo for the Wolves.

The team said the trade was pending while Portland waited for a trade it made earlier with Dallas to be finalized. But it appears there's an issue with Ngombo's age. The FIBA website lists his birth year as 1984 rather than 1989. That, if true, would make him 26 and ineligible for the draft. The Wolves are waiting for a faxed copy of his passport to show he's 21.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/124525868.html


What, did this Ngombo guy get switched as a baby and grow up in a Pygmy tribe? How else would we explain him not being on anyone's radar for the last 10 years?
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 4:32:00 PM   
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The Minnesota Timberwolves’ complications in the NBA draft never seem to end.

After the Timberwolves agreed to send guard Jonny Flynn(notes) in a package to the Houston Rockets for Brad Miller(notes) and the 23rd pick on Thursday, the trade hit a snag on Friday when the Rockets’ team doctors raised issues with Flynn’s hip injury, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

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To keep the deal from falling apart, Minnesota sent a future second-round pick to the Rockets, league sources said. The issues wouldn’t have kept Flynn off the court, but did raise some concerns for the long-term. Whether Minnesota had been forthcoming with the information prior to the trade is unclear.

Flynn, the sixth overall pick in 2009, had surgery on his hip last July and started only eight of the 53 games he played with the T’wolves last season.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 4:43:10 PM   
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The Minnesota Timberwolves’ complications in the NBA draft never seem to end.

After the Timberwolves agreed to send guard Jonny Flynn(notes) in a package to the Houston Rockets for Brad Miller(notes) and the 23rd pick on Thursday, the trade hit a snag on Friday when the Rockets’ team doctors raised issues with Flynn’s hip injury, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

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To keep the deal from falling apart, Minnesota sent a future second-round pick to the Rockets, league sources said. The issues wouldn’t have kept Flynn off the court, but did raise some concerns for the long-term. Whether Minnesota had been forthcoming with the information prior to the trade is unclear.

Flynn, the sixth overall pick in 2009, had surgery on his hip last July and started only eight of the 53 games he played with the T’wolves last season.


Best guess is that Flynn's hip tightened up since the end of the season. It's hard to get it properly stretched out when you're sitting on the coach for 12 hours/day watching movies and playing XBOX.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 7:41:02 PM   
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The Minnesota Timberwolves’ complications in the NBA draft never seem to end.

After the Timberwolves agreed to send guard Jonny Flynn(notes) in a package to the Houston Rockets for Brad Miller(notes) and the 23rd pick on Thursday, the trade hit a snag on Friday when the Rockets’ team doctors raised issues with Flynn’s hip injury, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

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To keep the deal from falling apart, Minnesota sent a future second-round pick to the Rockets, league sources said. The issues wouldn’t have kept Flynn off the court, but did raise some concerns for the long-term. Whether Minnesota had been forthcoming with the information prior to the trade is unclear.

Flynn, the sixth overall pick in 2009, had surgery on his hip last July and started only eight of the 53 games he played with the T’wolves last season.


Best guess is that Flynn's hip tightened up since the end of the season. It's hard to get it properly stretched out when you're sitting on the coach for 12 hours/day watching movies and playing XBOX.



Is that why Rambis wasn't in the war room?? Flynn was sitting on him??

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/25/2011 8:22:02 PM   
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The Minnesota Timberwolves’ complications in the NBA draft never seem to end.

After the Timberwolves agreed to send guard Jonny Flynn(notes) in a package to the Houston Rockets for Brad Miller(notes) and the 23rd pick on Thursday, the trade hit a snag on Friday when the Rockets’ team doctors raised issues with Flynn’s hip injury, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

More From Adrian Wojnarowski
To keep the deal from falling apart, Minnesota sent a future second-round pick to the Rockets, league sources said. The issues wouldn’t have kept Flynn off the court, but did raise some concerns for the long-term. Whether Minnesota had been forthcoming with the information prior to the trade is unclear.

Flynn, the sixth overall pick in 2009, had surgery on his hip last July and started only eight of the 53 games he played with the T’wolves last season.


Best guess is that Flynn's hip tightened up since the end of the season. It's hard to get it properly stretched out when you're sitting on the coach for 12 hours/day watching movies and playing XBOX.



Is that why Rambis wasn't in the war room?? Flynn was sitting on him??


Ha! That's funny and perhaps a Freudian slip.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/26/2011 8:12:02 PM   
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I know there is a lot of rejoicing about the departure of Flynn. I still believe that with a fresh start he will emerge and be a good player. Rambis had him so effed up that he didn't know which end was up any more. I can't think of a single guard that got better under Rambis and most of them regressed.


From what I understand, he's not a triangle offense point guard. He's a pick and roll point guard. I have a feeling that his career will resurrect in Houston. His injury may have also been a factor with his performance last season.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/26/2011 10:24:27 PM   
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MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES GRADE: A
Round 1: Derrick Williams (2)

Round 2: Malcolm Lee (43, obtained from Jazz via Wolves), Targuy Ngombo (57, from Dallas)

Analysis: The Wolves got the second-best prospect in the draft. Given that, we can forget about the questionable fit.

They tried to trade the pick but weren't offered enough in return, so they took the best talent on the board. If Williams turns out to be one of the two best players on the team, which he might be, they'll find minutes for him.

I also like the Lee pick. As we know, GM David Kahn collects point guards, but in Lee's case his versatility, defense and ability to swing to the 2 gives the Wolves something they didn't have.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/26/2011 10:30:56 PM   
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13(43) Chicago (Rights traded to Minnesota from Utah) Malcolm Lee 6-6 198 PG UCLA
The Bulls will send this pick to the Timberwolves. Minnesota was looking at Lee at No. 20, so he has great value here. He's one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft, and he can play both guard positions -- and the Wolves really need perimeter defense.

The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/26/2011 11:32:52 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 10:11:07 AM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 10:20:11 AM   
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It was complete BS. He was never going in the first.

I think Kahn has a lot of detractors around the league and they were spreading it thick.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 10:51:09 AM   
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If Kahn didn't pick Lee he would have went the stash a Euro route again if he couldn't have traded the pick....

Anybody know what is going to come of the Ngombo (sp) pick?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 10:58:31 AM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Its possible they may not have taken him at #20, but he was clearly their target.

I'll try to track down the Canis thread from the day before the draft where Ronzone went on and on about Lee. It was odd, he was the only player that Ronzone talked about other than the guys at the very top of the draft.
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