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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 11:04:44 AM   
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If Kahn didn't pick Lee he would have went the stash a Euro route again if he couldn't have traded the pick....

Anybody know what is going to come of the Ngombo (sp) pick?


Yeah, I'm kinda curious. Has his age been definitively established?

If he really wasn't eligible, do the T-wolves just lose his rights? Or if he represented that he was a certain age to the NBA, then is he treated as if he were that age? Or will it be resolved by the union and NBA?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 11:19:46 AM   
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So...I was in a remote area since Thursday and out of internet range.  Just getting caught up on draft. 

I'd like to thank Kahn for doing the right thing at #2, standing pat and taking a fantastic player.  I was greatly relieved.

As for the rest, I can't begin to even process it right now.  I need to go lie down for a while.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 4:25:16 PM   
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Is it just me, or does Williams game remind anyone else of Len Bias?
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 4:30:37 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Was the 43rd pick our first opportunity to pick in the second round?

Maybe somewhere between our last tradedown and the 43rd pick was the sweet spot for paying Rambis buyout.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 5:30:19 PM   
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Is it just me, or does Williams game remind anyone else of Len Bias?


As long as the similarities stay on the court ...

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 5:35:14 PM   
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Here's a draft review for the wolves.  I don't agree with the author, but his style is unique.

http://www.bestcactus.com/nba-draft-grades-2011-timberwolves-get-fancy-beyond-derrick-williams-fail/

There’s a thought to every NBA Draft for Minnesota Timberwolves’ generalized trainer king Kahn. In 2009, it was The Draft Of The Point Guards. In 2010, The Draft Of The Small Forwards. In 2011, designer got a taste more abstract. He prefabricated this one, maybe his last, The Draft Of All Of The Trades. It didn’t go so well.

Gained: Derrick Williams, Malcolm Lee, Brad Miller, Houston’s 2013 first-round pick, change considerations.
Gave up: Jonny Flynn, No. 20 (Donatas Motiejunas).
Synopsis: Williams was probable the correct garner at No. 2 — Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas could entertainer brawny cases because of Minnesota’s edifice catastrophe, but reverend is a brawny individual with lots of value. (Not sufficiency value, but lots of it.) After that? It gets turbid fast.

Minnesota had the No. 20 pick, which became Motiejunas. Plenty of beatific players were picked after No. 20. I’m trusty beatific players module be on the commission when Houston’s garner comes up in 2013. But the Wolves requirement talent now, not in 2013. Now. The Wolves traded that garner to shitting Flynn and — after every was said and finished — garner up a 2013 garner and whatever cash. Kahn’s feat to hit a aggregation of recreation watching the incoming GM of the Wolves attain that pick.

Minnesota had assets and the module to attain clog happen. Instead, designer traded a nonachievement he prefabricated digit eld past for forthcoming assets at the helm of a 17-win team. Barf.

But hey, they got Targuy Ngombo, a man no digit in USA had heard of before this week!



I think he's WAY too hard on Generalized Trainer King Kahn.  Designer may have gotten a taste more abstract, but I think they picked up too many beatific players to edifice catastrophe.  And I'm not so sure attaining clog happen would have been the best idea for such a young team, especially given that they shit Jonny Flynn.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 6:04:00 PM   
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Here's a draft review for the wolves.  I don't agree with the author, but his style is unique.

http://www.bestcactus.com/nba-draft-grades-2011-timberwolves-get-fancy-beyond-derrick-williams-fail/

There’s a thought to every NBA Draft for Minnesota Timberwolves’ generalized trainer king Kahn. In 2009, it was The Draft Of The Point Guards. In 2010, The Draft Of The Small Forwards. In 2011, designer got a taste more abstract. He prefabricated this one, maybe his last, The Draft Of All Of The Trades. It didn’t go so well.

Gained: Derrick Williams, Malcolm Lee, Brad Miller, Houston’s 2013 first-round pick, change considerations.
Gave up: Jonny Flynn, No. 20 (Donatas Motiejunas).
Synopsis: Williams was probable the correct garner at No. 2 — Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas could entertainer brawny cases because of Minnesota’s edifice catastrophe, but reverend is a brawny individual with lots of value. (Not sufficiency value, but lots of it.) After that? It gets turbid fast.

Minnesota had the No. 20 pick, which became Motiejunas. Plenty of beatific players were picked after No. 20. I’m trusty beatific players module be on the commission when Houston’s garner comes up in 2013. But the Wolves requirement talent now, not in 2013. Now. The Wolves traded that garner to shitting Flynn and — after every was said and finished — garner up a 2013 garner and whatever cash. Kahn’s feat to hit a aggregation of recreation watching the incoming GM of the Wolves attain that pick.

Minnesota had assets and the module to attain clog happen. Instead, designer traded a nonachievement he prefabricated digit eld past for forthcoming assets at the helm of a 17-win team. Barf.

But hey, they got Targuy Ngombo, a man no digit in USA had heard of before this week!



I think he's WAY too hard on Generalized Trainer King Kahn.  Designer may have gotten a taste more abstract, but I think they picked up too many beatific players to edifice catastrophe.  And I'm not so sure attaining clog happen would have been the best idea for such a young team, especially given that they shit Jonny Flynn.


If a clog happen when you gotta shit...
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/27/2011 8:18:29 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Was the 43rd pick our first opportunity to pick in the second round?

Maybe somewhere between our last tradedown and the 43rd pick was the sweet spot for paying Rambis buyout.


No, the 43rd was about the 3 pick in the second round. They sold 31 and 38. It was the first one they kept.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/28/2011 12:42:21 AM   
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I had a brawny clog garnered after reading that module. Maybe it was the prefabricated digit forthcoming?
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/28/2011 9:42:28 AM   
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I don't know, but I bet Generalized Trainer King does ...

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/28/2011 9:50:34 AM   
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I don't know, but I bet Generalized Trainer King does ...


Biggest reason to laugh at people when they say "got a link for that?" are guys like these.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/28/2011 11:45:34 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Its possible they may not have taken him at #20, but he was clearly their target.

I'll try to track down the Canis thread from the day before the draft where Ronzone went on and on about Lee. It was odd, he was the only player that Ronzone talked about other than the guys at the very top of the draft.


So Lee must have worked out here at the Target Center?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/28/2011 11:50:27 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Was the 43rd pick our first opportunity to pick in the second round?

Maybe somewhere between our last tradedown and the 43rd pick was the sweet spot for paying Rambis buyout.


I believe they didn't want to have another guaranteed contract with a young player, as well. I'm not sure if "flexibility under the salary cap" would have applied. Maybe.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/29/2011 11:27:50 PM   
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Sorry if this has been answered before but what is the protection on the Houston pick?
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/30/2011 12:14:05 AM   
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2013 first round draft pick from Memphis

Memphis' own 2013 1st round pick to Minnesota via Houston (top 14 protected in the 2013 Draft, top 14 protected in 2014, top 14 protected in 2015, and top 14 protection in 2016 Draft).

If Minnesota via Houston has not yet received this first round pick by the 2016 draft, then so long as Memphis' own 2016 2nd round pick is among the top 55 picks then Minnesota via Houston shall instead receive (1) Memphis' own 2016 2nd round pick and (2) cash. If, however, Minnesota via Houston has not yet received this first round pick by the 2016 draft, but Memphis' own 2016 2nd round pick is not among the top 55 picks then Minnesota via Houston shall instead receive (1) Toronto's own 2016 second round pick via Memphis and (2) cash. [Houston - Memphis, 2/24/2011 and then Houston - Minnesota, 6/24/2011]
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/30/2011 5:31:44 AM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Was the 43rd pick our first opportunity to pick in the second round?

Maybe somewhere between our last tradedown and the 43rd pick was the sweet spot for paying Rambis buyout.


I believe they didn't want to have another guaranteed contract with a young player, as well. I'm not sure if "flexibility under the salary cap" would have applied. Maybe.


If this were the case, contract extensions for both Hayward and Ellington appear incongruous.

In fairness, I don't think we can extrapolate a players potential after being coached by Rambis for 1-2 years...
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/30/2011 5:51:15 PM   
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The Wolves were considering Lee at #20?


Yes. That was reported before the draft.


That was the report, but I think it is BS. If they really thought he might be worth #20, they wouldn't have kept trading down to 43 before they took him. I can believe they thought he was as good as any guard left, but they clearly didn't think he was worth the 20th, 23rd, 28th, 31st etc.


Was the 43rd pick our first opportunity to pick in the second round?

Maybe somewhere between our last tradedown and the 43rd pick was the sweet spot for paying Rambis buyout.


I believe they didn't want to have another guaranteed contract with a young player, as well. I'm not sure if "flexibility under the salary cap" would have applied. Maybe.


If this were the case, contract extensions for both Hayward and Ellington appear incongruous.

In fairness, I don't think we can extrapolate a players potential after being coached by Rambis for 1-2 years...


Yes, I was thinking the same after we signed Hayward and Ellington. It seems as though we are loading up on inexpensive players. Maybe they see something coming down the pike with a new labor agreement. (ie. a hard and modest salary cap)

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/30/2011 8:05:39 PM   
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Because they are usually out ahead of the curve on stuff like this. The Timberwolves, your forward thinking, move making club. 

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 6/30/2011 10:51:39 PM   
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Because they are usually out ahead of the curve on stuff like this. The Timberwolves, your forward thinking, move making club. 


We draft Williams and Lee and still the BS is first....have anything positive to say?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/1/2011 8:13:54 AM   
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Because they are usually out ahead of the curve on stuff like this. The Timberwolves, your forward thinking, move making club. 


We draft Williams and Lee and still the BS is first....have anything positive to say?


Why would you try to control whether I'm positive or not? Issues?

I actually had good things to say about this draft and have some optimism for the roster, but when they do stupid shit, I will call them on it. And no, I'm not going to be naive enough to think the Wolves are loading up on these shitty players because of some master plan. Have you been around awhile with this team? That's ludicrous.

How can you have complete positivity in the face of the absolute worst record in history?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/1/2011 8:41:30 AM   
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This team has a long history of over paying to keep crappy players. The perceived success of this draft is not enough to mitigate that when they follow it up with abject stupidity like the way they are handling their coaching situation or tendering a couple of players who aren't exactly going to start a bidding war if they hit the open market. As has been said before, the Haywards and Ellingtons of the world can be replaced by minimum salaried FA. As to the draft, the fact that they didn't flush the 2nd overall pick down the toilet is a positive, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that with the assets they had going into it they should have been able to come out of it with a better team than the one they have now. When I compare the draft day performances of the Wolves and the Wild, I have to shake my head. Fletcher is so much better at this kind of thing than Kahn it isn't even funny.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/2/2011 1:44:49 PM   
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What's the latest on the older player from the Congo? It's been more than a week since the draft. Surely there must be confirmation by now what his age is.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/8/2011 6:59:07 PM   
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Valuncias has gone off at the U19, which obviously is missing the big time US players, but his 26 pts, 24 rebs against Poland is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 20+ pts, 13+ rebs and 3+ blocks for the tournament.
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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/8/2011 8:28:10 PM   
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What's the latest on the older player from the Congo? It's been more than a week since the draft. Surely there must be confirmation by now what his age is.


Heard today that it's pretty much confirmed that the dude is 26. However, the Wolves are producing some government documents that they were going off, showing he was 21 (or whatever) and so they shouldn't be punished.

Basically they kept trading down for cash, and eventually took a guy that they kinda knew they wouldn't have to pay. Just more chinzy shit from good old Taylor.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/8/2011 11:32:49 PM   
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What's the latest on the older player from the Congo? It's been more than a week since the draft. Surely there must be confirmation by now what his age is.


Heard today that it's pretty much confirmed that the dude is 26. However, the Wolves are producing some government documents that they were going off, showing he was 21 (or whatever) and so they shouldn't be punished.

Basically they kept trading down for cash, and eventually took a guy that they kinda knew they wouldn't have to pay. Just more chinzy shit from good old Taylor.

Who really cares whaat Kahn did with that pick.He did everything that his owner wanted him to do. He got Wiliams, Lee, Miller a future asset and a boat load of cash. He got rid of Flynn, so that Rubio is now the key. He also gave the media an in your face move. Say anything you want just spell my name correctly!
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