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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/8/2011 11:56:49 PM

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Who really cares whaat Kahn did with that pick

The only people that should care about trading away picks for cash are real basketball fans. Kahn did everything that the owner of a shitty run organization wanted. My complaint is more about Taylor than Kahn, making 50 trades for cash is just a cheap shitty way to run a winning team.

Oh yeah, we aren't a winning team, they're the worst run team in the league. Sycophants can applaud, me I'm not that pleased with it.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 7:25:36 AM

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Who really cares whaat Kahn did with that pick

The only people that should care about trading away picks for cash are real basketball fans. Kahn did everything that the owner of a shitty run organization wanted. My complaint is more about Taylor than Kahn, making 50 trades for cash is just a cheap shitty way to run a winning team.

Oh yeah, we aren't a winning team, they're the worst run team in the league. Sycophants can applaud, me I'm not that pleased with it.

I share your pain about the Wolves, that the blame for the Wolves problems begin with Taylor. If you believe that the Wolves don't need any more marginal rookies then the trades were smart. I agree with Kahn that the Wolves need vet players to mentor the rest of the team, even if there sole function is to be a calming voice in the locker room. This team does not need to accumulate marginal NBA players, we have too many already.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 8:34:27 AM

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Just to be clear, you say that trading away picks for cash was smart. Which would also mean that just passing on the pick would also be smart. Which means that when Taylor had McHale do the same thing, it was also smart. Which means, taking Taylor and Kahn's logic out, it would be smart for every team to not make those picks. So do you think it would be smart for every team to not make 2nd round picks.

Do you believe any of that, truly? Or are you just apologizing for the Wolves decade long philosophy of cutting costs by not taking players worth a damn, Euro players they won't have to pay, or just trading the picks away for cash.

The Wolves, more than any other team, needs to find players with those later picks. There isn't another team in the league that is MORE in need of finding good players than the Wolves. It is where they should be working harder, not taking a powder.

It's an embarrassment to real basketball fans, honestly.

If you believe that Kahn has no ability to find any good players outside of the top 20 picks, then I can understand not wanting him to make any. But it's sad and pathetic. Not smart.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:30:55 AM

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With Rubio, Williams, possibly Miller and Lee how many more players do you want to add....two of the four are expected to contribute right away away....your logic is very skewed as Kahn has run this as a business and 1) they need the players and 2) they have been losing a ton of money due to the product being put on the floor. You add those four players, get another 1st round pick later, and also get paid for moving around in the draft...I just don't know how much better he could have done with one of the "Weaker drafts". A ton of teams stash foreign players.....and we already have a stash of Euro players (Prestes, Bjelka, Norel, etc.) and also we don't have to touch a 2nd round pick to hold their rights when they are Euros. Kahn has done more with the drafts in three years than McHale had in 10 and it maybe a year or two but I think Bjelka, Prestes, and Rubio will be servicable players.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:42:04 AM

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Do you realize that the Wolves won 17 games, and you're counting Brad Miller as a draft day addition? The guys is a damn corpse at this point. And Lee is just a defensive guard.

Seriously, it's insane. The worst team in the whole league, by far, and they add one forward, one guard, and you're saying they have too many good players. Talk about flawed logic and drinking the Kahn koolaid.

You know what they needed from this draft? They needed a center and a legit shooter. And did they take one, at all? Hell no. I've defended the pick of Williams, but to come out of the draft with another forward and another guard that can't shoot, and to listen to sycophants here defend it as if he did a great job is insanity. Oh yeah, they're already stocked up so I guess it makes total sense they kept trading down for cash. Do you guys really believe that?

They had the 20th pick, and flipped it for nothing.

Monta Ellis was taken with the 40th pick. Tell me more about how they don't need players like that.

At least admit that you guys have zero confidence that Kahn can draft well, if you're going to defend the tactic of trading picks for cash on this talent starved team.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:43:05 AM

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Kahn has done more with the drafts in three years than McHale had in 10

Christ, I don't even think McHale did a great job drafting, but with ONE PICK of Kevin Love, he did more in the draft than Kahn has in three years.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 11:36:41 AM

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With Rubio, Williams, possibly Miller and Lee how many more players do you want to add....two of the four are expected to contribute right away away....

Draft and send them to the DLeague for the year. The Wolves are still very talent starved, so why not try to find a real player at 20 instead of in the 40s? Or do both. They could've drafted a guy at 20 (or 23) and still easily acquired a pick to get Lee later.

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Kahn has done more with the drafts in three years than McHale had in 10.

He's made WAY more moves in 3 years than McHale did in 10, but it would be hard to do less with those moves than Kahn has done.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 4:35:59 PM

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Just to be clear, you say that trading away picks for cash was smart. Which would also mean that just passing on the pick would also be smart....

Uh, not when you can turn them into cash.

The team doesn't need any more youth. If the extra cash allows them to pay for a new coach, it was well worth it.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 5:26:59 PM

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The team doesn't need any more youth.

The team needs to find talent. Badly.

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If the extra cash allows them to pay for a new coach, it was well worth it.

I have trouble praising shitty ownership.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 5:59:13 PM

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With Rubio, Williams, possibly Miller and Lee how many more players do you want to add....two of the four are expected to contribute right away away....

Draft and send them to the DLeague for the year. The Wolves are still very talent starved, so why not try to find a real player at 20 instead of in the 40s? Or do both. They could've drafted a guy at 20 (or 23) and still easily acquired a pick to get Lee later.

They should have Bogdonavich with 31. Tall athletic talented wing to stash in Europe for 2 years. That would have been a much more positive move for the team than the cash they got for selling the pick.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 5:59:58 PM

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Valuncias has gone off at the U19, which obviously is missing the big time US players, but his 26 pts, 24 rebs against Poland is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 20+ pts, 13+ rebs and 3+ blocks for the tournament.

I still think he should have been the pick at #2.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 6:50:54 PM

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Valuncias has gone off at the U19, which obviously is missing the big time US players, but his 26 pts, 24 rebs against Poland is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 20+ pts, 13+ rebs and 3+ blocks for the tournament.

I still think he should have been the pick at #2.

He was my pick.

I said before the draft I'd try to get him in a small trade down, but if that failed I'd have just grabbed him at #2.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 8:14:49 PM

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Just to be clear, you say that trading away picks for cash was smart. Which would also mean that just passing on the pick would also be smart....

Uh, not when you can turn them into cash.

The team doesn't need any more youth. If the extra cash allows them to pay for a new coach, it was well worth it.

So funny. Of all the teams in the NBA, it's the Wolves that don't need any more draft picks.

Taylor has you guys all brainwashed.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 8:41:27 PM

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Just to be clear, you say that trading away picks for cash was smart. Which would also mean that just passing on the pick would also be smart....

Uh, not when you can turn them into cash.

The team doesn't need any more youth. If the extra cash allows them to pay for a new coach, it was well worth it.

So funny. Of all the teams in the NBA, it's the Wolves that don't need any more draft picks.

Taylor has you guys all brainwashed.

Like there is some kind of NBA rule prohibiting you from firing a coach, unless you can sell enough draft picks to cover his salary.

Who needs to try to find some talented players, when its much more important to line Glen's pockets.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 8:50:02 PM

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Interested in a discussion, or just interested in insulting people? Let me know.

The T-wolves don't need any more rookies. They will have at least two rookies getting major minutes this year, their star "veteran" is 22. I won't be surprised if they routinely field a lineup of Rubio (20), Johnson (23), Beasley (22), Williams (20), Love (22). (Ages from yahoo.)

Apart from Miller, the aged men on the team are Darko (26), Tolliver (26), and Pek (25).

The team doesn't need any more youth. They need vets.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:06:32 PM

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You can be insulted for me saying that Taylor has you convinced of something, if you weren't. But you are. It's not really an insult then, is it? I find it funny that people are echoing the mantra that this team has too many rookies.

You don't normally throw away the 20th pick in the draft, and have people defend it by saying "eh, we have too many young guys anyway, no biggie". Championship teams with passionate fans get upset when their team blows off their late round pick. They expect to get a good player at 25 at least every other year. When that's combined with a team that won 17 games, well, I find it to be the height of blindly supporting completely inept management to support it. Apparently 20 is way too low for David Kahn to get a real player or a piece that this team desperately needs. Pathetic.

As has been pointed out, this is a talent starved team, and there is nothing wrong with taking a player and stashing him.. even if he couldn't beat out Ellington, Webster, etc for playing time. Which would be hard to believe.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:07:58 PM

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Just to be clear, you say that trading away picks for cash was smart. Which would also mean that just passing on the pick would also be smart....

Uh, not when you can turn them into cash.

The team doesn't need any more youth. If the extra cash allows them to pay for a new coach, it was well worth it.

So funny. Of all the teams in the NBA, it's the Wolves that don't need any more draft picks.

Taylor has you guys all brainwashed.

Like there is some kind of NBA rule prohibiting you from firing a coach, unless you can sell enough draft picks to cover his salary.

Who needs to try to find some talented players, when its much more important to line Glen's pockets.

It would be one thing if people bought this hogwash and the team was maybe competing for the playoffs.

But this is a team that put up the WORST RECORD IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA. And somehow they don't need to get talent out of the draft. Mindboogling.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:18:38 PM

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Darko started every game last year, and will this year. 7 years experience. Ridnour is probably going to be the starter, 7 years experience. Beasley and Love are both starters, 4th year players.

How many veterans does this team need? This is a team that wins 15 games. They don't need grizzled vets to get them over the hump, that's a fallacy. They need young players so they can find some actual talent and guys that can lead them.

Passing on the next possible Monta Ellis so that you can add Brad Miller is just plain stupid.

Trading picks for cash because we're a pathetic club with a skinflint owner is something to get pissed off about, not defend, much less applaud. I understand that Kahn is under instructions to do it, so my ire is more toward Taylor than him. But don't feed us a shit sandwich and tell us it's roast beef.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:38:15 PM

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Valuncias has gone off at the U19, which obviously is missing the big time US players, but his 26 pts, 24 rebs against Poland is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 20+ pts, 13+ rebs and 3+ blocks for the tournament.

I still think he should have been the pick at #2.

He was my pick.

I said before the draft I'd try to get him in a small trade down, but if that failed I'd have just grabbed him at #2.

Williams was just a safer choice, and this regime has swung and missed too much. I'm hard on them (as a 15ish win team deserves I think(, but unless Williams is a complete bust I do think they made the right choice at #2.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:47:32 PM

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Darko started every game last year, and will this year. 7 years experience. Ridnour is probably going to be the starter, 7 years experience. Beasley and Love are both starters, 4th year players.

Webster is another guy who will play ~24 MPG and he's going into his 8th year.

We need TALENT. You don't sell chances at getting players when you have a roster that could easily cut 5 players that would have trouble finding jobs on other teams.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 9:49:59 PM

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Valuncias has gone off at the U19, which obviously is missing the big time US players, but his 26 pts, 24 rebs against Poland is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 20+ pts, 13+ rebs and 3+ blocks for the tournament.

I still think he should have been the pick at #2.

He was my pick.

I said before the draft I'd try to get him in a small trade down, but if that failed I'd have just grabbed him at #2.

Williams was just a safer choice, and this regime has swung and missed too much. I'm hard on them (as a 15ish win team deserves I think(, but unless Williams is a complete bust I do think they made the right choice at #2.

Williams is safe, but I don't see a star. I see a guy who will have a long and solid career, but not be an impact player.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 10:04:31 PM

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You can be insulted for me saying that Taylor has you convinced of something, if you weren't. But you are. It's not really an insult then, is it? I find it funny that people are echoing the mantra that this team has too many rookies.
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GREAT! You've clearly indicated that you're not interested in a discussion and would rather toss insults and play games.

There are better places for that sort of stuff.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 10:07:07 PM

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I see a potential star, hit or miss like many high draft choices. I see little chance that he completely sucks.

Valuncias seems like he has the same potential to be a star and was a better fit, but also seemed like a bigger chance to bust. If they hadn't screwed up the first two drafts so much, I'd have been more open to taking Valuncias. Williams does not make me upset.

Now if they can figure out a coach that will put him at small forward and leave him there, you at least have a shot of entertaining people and heading in the right direction. Rubio, Johnson, Williams, Love and Randolph is young, raw, and at least one of them will probably not work out, and not likely to be the starters anytime soon, but that's a decent team. The bench is piss poor though, as you pointed out. Ridnour is serviceable, Darko should be off the team, and no one else is really worth a damn. Kinda mind boggling how you can put together a roster and have only 5 players with any ability and upside. That is why they needed to get another player in the draft. 20 should have netted them more than lining Taylor's pockets. Upsetting.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 10:11:39 PM

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You can be insulted for me saying that Taylor has you convinced of something, if you weren't. But you are. It's not really an insult then, is it? I find it funny that people are echoing the mantra that this team has too many rookies.
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GREAT! You've clearly indicated that you're not interested in a discussion and would rather toss insults and play games.

There are better places for that sort of stuff.

Not really. I am ripping and insulting Taylor for being a piece of crap owner with a bad plan.

If you think that me saying that Taylor's been brainwashing people with this trading picks for cash plan for years is a huge insult, I'll pick a different word. But I think that is what's happened. People have gotten used to it and somehow it makes sense, despite not once, ever, benefiting the team.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 10:32:08 PM

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We have a #2, another #2 and a #4 all are SFs. Kahn needs to make a deal for a SG. There is zero logic in not taking a player at 20/23, would it have hurt to take M Brooks. Kahn has aquired assets but is overloaded at the F position, is banking on Rubio and has done nothing to improve SG/C.

The Wolves have two players who have proven they can score in Love/Beasly, must find another piece. I liked the Derozian idea. What would it take to get Monta Ellis? Package Beasly? It makes no sense to have three top 5 picks that are SFs...make a deal to strenghten the team. Find another scorer, this big three thing seems to work.

He has assets what is Kahn waiting for. Get a deal done that makes the team better.

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