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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 10:58:50 PM

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We have a #2, another #2 and a #4 all are SFs. Kahn needs to make a deal for a SG. There is zero logic in not taking a player at 20/23, would it have hurt to take M Brooks. Kahn has aquired assets but is overloaded at the F position, is banking on Rubio and has done nothing to improve SG/C.

That's why it's so upsetting, and I use such harsh language criticizing them. You can defend taking Williams there, even though it creates even more of a logjam at one position.

But then to dick off the entire rest of the draft getting NOTHING that can help this team, and then defend it by saying we have too many young guys?

I hate this ownership, they suck.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 11:25:46 PM

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We have a #2, another #2 and a #4 all are SFs. Kahn needs to make a deal for a SG. There is zero logic in not taking a player at 20/23, would it have hurt to take M Brooks. Kahn has aquired assets but is overloaded at the F position, is banking on Rubio and has done nothing to improve SG/C.

That's why it's so upsetting, and I use such harsh language criticizing them. You can defend taking Williams there, even though it creates even more of a logjam at one position.

But then to dick off the entire rest of the draft getting NOTHING that can help this team, and then defend it by saying we have too many young guys?

I hate this ownership, they suck.

I think Kahn is a total moron, re-assign Rambis????? PGs back to back with the 5 and 6 one of which wasnt even available...might have been a reason the other teams passed on Rubio who was supposed to be the second best player in the draft. Oh wait we then traded away the third PG we drafted who was the best of the bunch. Yep that kahn is a slick one.

If Kahn can land a SG and Rubio actually makes this a better team, we might have something. He can gloat all he wants about aquiring assets, big deal, its his job to get a complete team on the floor, which he hasnt nor has he made a move while sitting on a "logjam" at SF.

There is a good SG out there needing an opportunity, that would be impressive to snag a starter off of somebodys bench for Wesly Johnson or something.

I like the idea of a Love/Beasly/Williams rotation but what good is it if they dont have to defend the perimeter without an outside threat?

< Message edited by Jason Dorn -- 7/9/2011 11:27:04 PM >

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 11:44:35 PM

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The Lithuanian under-19 national team has been turning heads all week in the FIBA U-19 World Championships in Latvia. Led by Toronto Raptors draft pick Jonas Valanciunas, they made quick work of the Russian team that shocked the US a few days before.

At the end of the first half, Lithuania was up 53-26, getting 15 points and 9 rebounds from their star center.

When asked about how they would fare in the NCAA, Jonathan Givony of Draft Express, one of the leading draft-evaluation sites on the internet, said they would be the best team in the country.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/9/2011 11:46:55 PM

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Some thin skin in here.

Some TWolves fans root for the owner's bottom line. All other fans want their team to be good.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 9:11:00 AM

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There is no sound basketball reason not to take a player at 20 when the backend of your bench looks like the back end of a Jackass.

Taylor is Beap ChastardII selling picks for cash when you have the worst team.

Yes we need veterans but its impossible to entice a quality FA to come here mostly because of how poorly run this organization is.

At the very least they could have flipped the 20th pick for a semi-solid vet. Trading the pick for cash is outragous with a 17 win team.

Stearn should take over the team until a new owner can make purchase.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 10:59:12 AM

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The bottom line is that great teams are built through the draft. If you are selling your picks for cash you are not building through the draft.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 11:21:00 AM

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And if you are that worried about youth, either take a raw, but talented kid and have him play all year in the DLeague. Although Kahn, of coarse, refuses to actually use the DLeague as a tool - despite being very involved and even owning several teams over a 4 year period.

Or draft a Euro that won't come over for 2 years. Hell, we actually drafted and then traded 2 Euro players who will both likely be MUCH better than any of the guys we currently have stashed in Mirotec and Bogdanovic.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 11:39:09 AM

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The bottom line is that great teams are built through the draft. If you are selling your picks for cash you are not building through the draft.

As if the last decade wasn't clear, from trading KG, to having a clusterfuck at head coach to save a few bucks. The constant trading of picks for cash is as big a clue as any that Glen Taylor is calling the shots and putting a winning basketball team on the court is NOT his first priority.

Jackass, I hate his guts.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 3:51:02 PM

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The thing that still amazes me is that Taylor, after selling draft picks like crazy, just went and extended two of the worst players on our roster. It's like a McDonald's owner stocking up on toilet paper when he needs a new ice cream machine.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/10/2011 7:02:31 PM

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The thing that still amazes me is that Taylor, after selling draft picks like crazy, just went and extended two of the worst players on our roster. It's like a McDonald's owner stocking up on toilet paper when he needs a new ice cream machine.

Right? I'm seriously convinced he's not interested in putting a decent team on the court any longer. They mail it in on so many players, giving suck ass losers guaranteed money well above what most in the league would.... and then ignore the draft.

What's the word for someone who has become comfortable living in shit and does things to make sure it stays that way?

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 8:36:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad Norman

The thing that still amazes me is that Taylor, after selling draft picks like crazy, just went and extended two of the worst players on our roster. It's like a McDonald's owner stocking up on toilet paper when he needs a new ice cream machine.

I'd think it would be easier to trade an asset under contract. Teams don't want to take on many players that if they improve will just walk

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 11:17:04 AM

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The thing that still amazes me is that Taylor, after selling draft picks like crazy, just went and extended two of the worst players on our roster. It's like a McDonald's owner stocking up on toilet paper when he needs a new ice cream machine.

I'd think it would be easier to trade an asset under contract. Teams don't want to take on many players that if they improve will just walk

But cap space is more valuable than cheap contracts. And if a guy like Ellington is still the same player after 3-4 years, no one is going to want him for 2M+

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 11:41:40 AM

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Ellington is not an asset. He will not be trade bait, and he will not be the key to making a deal. This isn't some forward thinking strategy. He was just another in the long list of overpaid bad bench players, something this team is known for doing.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 2:20:01 PM

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In Lithuania’ 85-67 win over Serbia in the championship game, Valanciunas finished with 36 points, eight rebounds, three steals and two blocks. He shot 13-for-18 from the field and 10-for-14 from the free throw line. He played all 40 minutes.

Valanciunas earned tournament MVP honors, averaging 23.0 points, 13.9 rebounds and 3.2 blocks, while shooting 60 percent from the field and 81 percent from the line.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 3:27:17 PM

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Is this, possibly, a case that may be similar to the NBA summer leagues. Yeah, he played really well, but consider the competition and lack of defense...

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 3:53:40 PM

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Is this, possibly, a case that may be similar to the NBA summer leagues. Yeah, he played really well, but consider the competition and lack of defense...

You might be right, but I have this sinking feeling that Big V is going to make Williams look like another stupid pick by Kahn.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 3:54:35 PM

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Is this, possibly, a case that may be similar to the NBA summer leagues. Yeah, he played really well, but consider the competition and lack of defense...

Not really. NBA summer leagues are mostly scrubs, and not far from pick-up ball. This was playing against the best under 19 players in the world. This is probably closer to dominating a McDonald's All-America game.

But more so, its a continuation of what he was doing to the big boys in the Euro league last season as an 18 year-old.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 4:21:33 PM

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Is this, possibly, a case that may be similar to the NBA summer leagues. Yeah, he played really well, but consider the competition and lack of defense...

You might be right, but I have this sinking feeling that Big V is going to make Williams look like another stupid pick by Kahn.

I hope not. Taking Flynn and Johnson were both really questionable moves based on the talent he passed on. I really hope Williams is good enough that even if V is awesome, it wasn't a horrible pick.

Man that would suck.

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RE: 2011 NBA Draft - 7/11/2011 5:01:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad Norman

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Is this, possibly, a case that may be similar to the NBA summer leagues. Yeah, he played really well, but consider the competition and lack of defense...

You might be right, but I have this sinking feeling that Big V is going to make Williams look like another stupid pick by Kahn.

I hope not. Taking Flynn and Johnson were both really questionable moves based on the talent he passed on. I really hope Williams is good enough that even if V is awesome, it wasn't a horrible pick.

Man that would suck.

I don't think Williams will be a horrible pick. I think he has enough talent, smarts and drive that, at worst, he'll be very solid. I think he's less physically gifted than Beasley, but I think his head is on so much more straight.

I do have some serious issues about what position he'll play - and I think he has liabilities at both SF and PF that he may or may not be able to overcome.

My whole issue is I think Jonah is going to be the better player - and at a position that is so much harder to fill.

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