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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/12/2017 11:32:19 AM   
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It's fashionable to hate on both Melo and Wiggins. Both better than people act like they are.


I'm not sure who is hating on Wig. Those of us who would trade him for Irving would do it as a basketball move that makes sense for the Wolves. I don't think anyone has questioned what kind of a person or teammate he is. From everything I have heard, Wig is a good citizen, good teammate, good person.

And we think he's valuable enough, to maybe be enough ...to acquire a guy like Kyrie.
I'd say that's a decent amount of respect.

News Flash. Kyrie is not that good.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/12/2017 1:42:03 PM   
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https://youtu.be/1u7fbcVC-9s

Well hell if Pete, KG and DL think it could work perhaps he (Carmelo) could turn back into USA basketball Carmelo, and actually guard somebody.

From the looks of this pickup game Carmelo (The dude with the hood on) hasn't lost much offensively...

And CJ (With the white tank top) is just getting better..

Scotty we might be wrong on this one- Hopefully...
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/12/2017 8:32:57 PM   
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It's fashionable to hate on both Melo and Wiggins. Both better than people act like they are.


I'm not sure who is hating on Wig. Those of us who would trade him for Irving would do it as a basketball move that makes sense for the Wolves. I don't think anyone has questioned what kind of a person or teammate he is. From everything I have heard, Wig is a good citizen, good teammate, good person.

And we think he's valuable enough, to maybe be enough ...to acquire a guy like Kyrie.
I'd say that's a decent amount of respect.

News Flash. Kyrie is not that good.


We have already established that you are quite wrong in that belief. Very very very wrong.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/12/2017 10:36:21 PM   
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It's fashionable to hate on both Melo and Wiggins. Both better than people act like they are.


I'm not sure who is hating on Wig. Those of us who would trade him for Irving would do it as a basketball move that makes sense for the Wolves. I don't think anyone has questioned what kind of a person or teammate he is. From everything I have heard, Wig is a good citizen, good teammate, good person.

And we think he's valuable enough, to maybe be enough ...to acquire a guy like Kyrie.
I'd say that's a decent amount of respect.

News Flash. Kyrie is not that good.


We have already established that you are quite wrong in that belief. Very very very wrong.

Nothing has been established regarding that. I'm not even saying he is a bad player. I'm declaring him a good player maybe even a top ten PG in the league. The only way people come up with any better than that is by looking at his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 11:11:41 AM   
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Wrong again

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 2:13:39 PM   
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Wrong again

LOL you have your right to be wrong. I mean disagree with me.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 2:19:00 PM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 7:17:01 PM   
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The ones you list as arguably better are not better. And your opinions on where Irving ranks among PG is irrelevant to the fact that Irving is now, always has been and always will be better than Wiggins. Really the only way to see Wig as being as good or possibly better over time is to suffer a severe case of homerism.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 7:34:02 PM   
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The ones you list as arguably better are not better. And your opinions on where Irving ranks among PG is irrelevant to the fact that Irving is now, always has been and always will be better than Wiggins. Really the only way to see Wig as being as good or possibly better over time is to suffer a severe case of homerism.

I agree that Irving at this point is better than Wiggins, however they are both just volume scorers who offer very little else. Irving does it a bit more efficiently. Still Wiggins is 22 and a much better athlete. I believe he will become a better player and IMO of course that is not homerism. However, even if Wiggins Never gets better than Irving, considering we are very lacking at SG/SF and have a PG that is pretty good. Trading Wiggins for Irving would totally destroy our roster balance.

Regarding the arguably better PGs it is fine if you don't think they are better, but they are arguably better not just IMO but in many opinions posted around the internet of best PGs in the league. Irving as stated is somewhere in the 9-13 range of best PGs in the league and just isn't worth screwing over our roster and dumping a young former #1 pick who was one of the best scorers in the league last year and only getting better.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/13/2017 10:01:22 PM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

Irving, Lillard, Thomas and Lowry are basically the same player. All offense, minimal defense players who would rather score than assist.
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 12:45:56 AM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

Irving, Lillard, Thomas and Lowry are basically the same player. All offense, minimal defense players who would rather score than assist.

They are all score first point guards agreed. However, I think Lowry and Thomas assist quite nicely. They all defend better than Irving and even Lillard is more aware of having teammates on the floor.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 9:20:13 AM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

Irving, Lillard, Thomas and Lowry are basically the same player. All offense, minimal defense players who would rather score than assist.

They are all score first point guards agreed. However, I think Lowry and Thomas assist quite nicely. They all defend better than Irving and even Lillard is more aware of having teammates on the floor.

The thing is Irving has done it on the big stage. The others have not.

Advantage: Irving
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 9:27:15 AM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

Irving, Lillard, Thomas and Lowry are basically the same player. All offense, minimal defense players who would rather score than assist.

They are all score first point guards agreed. However, I think Lowry and Thomas assist quite nicely. They all defend better than Irving and even Lillard is more aware of having teammates on the floor.

The thing is Irving has done it on the big stage. The others have not.

Advantage: Irving


+1
Who on the list has made it to the last 3 finals
Curry
Irving

Who on the list has made it to any finals?
Curry
Irving
Westbrook

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 10:35:34 AM   
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Durability is the only place I can put Lillard ahead of Irving. They're remarkably close as players overall.

Irving is the better shooter. 43/37 for Dame, 46/38 for Kyrie. Lillard gets to the line a little more.

Playoff shooting has, so far, increased that gap:

Irving: 52 games: 47/42
Lillard: 41 games: 41/35

Assists are pretty much a wash.
Lillard: 6.1/36, 29 AST%
Irving: 5.8/36, 30 AST%

Dame gets .5 rebound more/36, Irving gets .5 steal more/36.

Neither plays a lick of defense.

Lillard, despite having 1 less year in the league is 2 full years older than Irving as well.
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 1:59:37 PM   
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I think I posted this before but one more time.
PGs better than Irving.
Curry
Westbrook
Harden ( I think you have to count him as a PG. That is what he played last year.)
Wall
Paul
Lillard
Thomas
Lowry

Those are for absolute certain.
Arguably better.

Walker
Dragic
Bledsoe
Conley

So Irving settles in somewhere from 9-13.
I looked at various best PG in the league lists and one actually had Irving 3rd but most had him 7th or later.
This link had Teague at 8 Irving at 12. I enjoyed that one.
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/12/15949496/power-ranking-the-50-best-point-guards-in-the-nba

Irving, Lillard, Thomas and Lowry are basically the same player. All offense, minimal defense players who would rather score than assist.

They are all score first point guards agreed. However, I think Lowry and Thomas assist quite nicely. They all defend better than Irving and even Lillard is more aware of having teammates on the floor.

The thing is Irving has done it on the big stage. The others have not.

Advantage: Irving

If those guys were playing with LeBron they would have made it to the big stage as well and probably would have done as well or better.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 2:02:47 PM   
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Durability is the only place I can put Lillard ahead of Irving. They're remarkably close as players overall.

Irving is the better shooter. 43/37 for Dame, 46/38 for Kyrie. Lillard gets to the line a little more.

Playoff shooting has, so far, increased that gap:

Irving: 52 games: 47/42
Lillard: 41 games: 41/35

Assists are pretty much a wash.
Lillard: 6.1/36, 29 AST%
Irving: 5.8/36, 30 AST%

Dame gets .5 rebound more/36, Irving gets .5 steal more/36.

Neither plays a lick of defense.

Lillard, despite having 1 less year in the league is 2 full years older than Irving as well.

Regardless of who gets more total assists, Lillard is the more willing passer from the eye test. Kyrie just goes into his I am going to shoot the ball no matter what mode and I admit the results are pretty good. However the results would be even better if he didn't have that shoot no matter what mentality.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 2:08:30 PM   
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The other thing to consider with Irving vs the other guys is he doesn't run the offense for his team like they do. He's used as a secondary creator and plays off the ball a lot because everything is designed around LeBron.

His passing numbers were considerably higher before LeBron came back to Cleveland, and I'd expect them to jump again if he played here (or anywhere where he'd be the primary ballhandler again.
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 2:20:35 PM   
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The other thing to consider with Irving vs the other guys is he doesn't run the offense for his team like they do. He's used as a secondary creator and plays off the ball a lot because everything is designed around LeBron.

His passing numbers were considerably higher before LeBron came back to Cleveland, and I'd expect them to jump again if he played here (or anywhere where he'd be the primary ballhandler again.

I don't want a very unwilling passer to be our primary ball handler. Pass on Irving.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 2:31:35 PM   
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The other thing to consider with Irving vs the other guys is he doesn't run the offense for his team like they do. He's used as a secondary creator and plays off the ball a lot because everything is designed around LeBron.

His passing numbers were considerably higher before LeBron came back to Cleveland, and I'd expect them to jump again if he played here (or anywhere where he'd be the primary ballhandler again.


Excellent point. He showed himself to be a more willing distributor pre LeBron. His first couple of years he was also the only real scoring option on the team. It's hard to pick up the assist when the other guy can't hit the shot. It's like I said, the pick and roll options on this team with Kat and Irving would be like nothing we have ever seen here before.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 3:15:03 PM   
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Last season, the Golden State Warriors blitzed their way into the NBA Finals en route to the 2017 NBA title. What has changed for Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant & Co.?

Not much, which is why they're the overwhelming favorite yet again to repeat at Western Conference champs.

We asked the ESPN Forecast panel of 44 experts to rank its top three choices for the 2017-18 Western Conference champions, with a first-place vote receiving five points, a second-place vote receiving three and a third-place vote receiving one.

Here are the results:

Forecast: 2017-18 West champs


1. Golden State Warriors
First-place votes: 44
Total points: 220
2016-17: W, NBA Finals

Comments: Golden State didn't drop a single game in the Western Conference playoffs and returns with 10 of its top 11 in minutes played. Though Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry were never serious threats to leave, they managed to re-sign the All-Star duo as well as Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, Zaza Pachulia, David West and JaVale McGee, all of whom played specific roles and were on the open market.

The only player not returning is Ian Clark, who will be replaced by Nick Young and Omri Casspi, two floor-stretchers likely to fit in seamlessly with the Warriors' free-flowing offense. ESPN's Real Plus-Minus pegs the Warriors for 62 wins, a total that might seem modest yet still easily outpaces every team out West. -- Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info


2. Houston Rockets
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 108
2016-17: L, West semis


Summer Forecast 2017

Comments: Instead of lying down and ceding the West to the Warriors, Houston GM Daryl Morey orchestrated a salary cap clinic, trading for Chris Paul to create a two-headed point guard attack unlike any we've really ever seen and adding versatile wings PJ Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute. Morey might not be done either, as the Rockets have been linked to a Carmelo Anthony trade for much of the summer.

After running virtually everything through James Harden last season en route to breaking every 3-point shooting record, Houston will have varied options and the personnel to play any number of ways. -- Adams


3. San Antonio Spurs
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 49
2016-17: L, West finals




Comments: In a whirlwind summer defined by contenders making splashy moves, leave it to the Spurs to mostly stand pat. Aside from swapping in Rudy Gay for the departed Jonathon Simmons, San Antonio seems content to roll with the group that had the Warriors down big Game 1 of the Western Conference finals until Kawhi Leonard's untimely injury.

It's surely a small sample size, but in the 92 minutes that Leonard was on the floor against the Warriors last season, including both the regular season and playoffs, the Spurs outscored the champs by 31 points. -- Adams


Also receiving votes: Oklahoma City Thunder (17), LA Clippers (1), Minnesota Timberwolves (1).




I wasn't shocked until I got to the last line. Minnesota Timberwolves (1).
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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 3:47:26 PM   
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Last season, the Golden State Warriors blitzed their way into the NBA Finals en route to the 2017 NBA title. What has changed for Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant & Co.?

Not much, which is why they're the overwhelming favorite yet again to repeat at Western Conference champs.

We asked the ESPN Forecast panel of 44 experts to rank its top three choices for the 2017-18 Western Conference champions, with a first-place vote receiving five points, a second-place vote receiving three and a third-place vote receiving one.

Here are the results:

Forecast: 2017-18 West champs


1. Golden State Warriors
First-place votes: 44
Total points: 220
2016-17: W, NBA Finals

Comments: Golden State didn't drop a single game in the Western Conference playoffs and returns with 10 of its top 11 in minutes played. Though Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry were never serious threats to leave, they managed to re-sign the All-Star duo as well as Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, Zaza Pachulia, David West and JaVale McGee, all of whom played specific roles and were on the open market.

The only player not returning is Ian Clark, who will be replaced by Nick Young and Omri Casspi, two floor-stretchers likely to fit in seamlessly with the Warriors' free-flowing offense. ESPN's Real Plus-Minus pegs the Warriors for 62 wins, a total that might seem modest yet still easily outpaces every team out West. -- Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info


2. Houston Rockets
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 108
2016-17: L, West semis


Summer Forecast 2017

Comments: Instead of lying down and ceding the West to the Warriors, Houston GM Daryl Morey orchestrated a salary cap clinic, trading for Chris Paul to create a two-headed point guard attack unlike any we've really ever seen and adding versatile wings PJ Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute. Morey might not be done either, as the Rockets have been linked to a Carmelo Anthony trade for much of the summer.

After running virtually everything through James Harden last season en route to breaking every 3-point shooting record, Houston will have varied options and the personnel to play any number of ways. -- Adams


3. San Antonio Spurs
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 49
2016-17: L, West finals




Comments: In a whirlwind summer defined by contenders making splashy moves, leave it to the Spurs to mostly stand pat. Aside from swapping in Rudy Gay for the departed Jonathon Simmons, San Antonio seems content to roll with the group that had the Warriors down big Game 1 of the Western Conference finals until Kawhi Leonard's untimely injury.

It's surely a small sample size, but in the 92 minutes that Leonard was on the floor against the Warriors last season, including both the regular season and playoffs, the Spurs outscored the champs by 31 points. -- Adams


Also receiving votes: Oklahoma City Thunder (17), LA Clippers (1), Minnesota Timberwolves (1).




I wasn't shocked until I got to the last line. Minnesota Timberwolves (1).


So the ESPN experts have us in a tie for 5/6 position. Was us only getting one third place vote the shocking part or were you shocked that we got one third place vote out of 44?

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 4:30:26 PM   
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KG,
Good thing you didn't see the part about Rudy Gay with the Spurs...lol

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/14/2017 4:35:55 PM   
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KG,
Good thing you didn't see the part about Rudy Gay with the Spurs...lol

I saw that part. I'm a fan of Rudy Gay. Always wanted him to join the Wolves during the Kevin Love years.
I think injuries have taken a toll on him. he is a shadow of what he used to be.

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RE: NBA Basketball - 8/15/2017 5:38:17 AM   
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Last season, the Golden State Warriors blitzed their way into the NBA Finals en route to the 2017 NBA title. What has changed for Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant & Co.?

Not much, which is why they're the overwhelming favorite yet again to repeat at Western Conference champs.

We asked the ESPN Forecast panel of 44 experts to rank its top three choices for the 2017-18 Western Conference champions, with a first-place vote receiving five points, a second-place vote receiving three and a third-place vote receiving one.

Here are the results:

Forecast: 2017-18 West champs


1. Golden State Warriors
First-place votes: 44
Total points: 220
2016-17: W, NBA Finals

Comments: Golden State didn't drop a single game in the Western Conference playoffs and returns with 10 of its top 11 in minutes played. Though Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry were never serious threats to leave, they managed to re-sign the All-Star duo as well as Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, Zaza Pachulia, David West and JaVale McGee, all of whom played specific roles and were on the open market.

The only player not returning is Ian Clark, who will be replaced by Nick Young and Omri Casspi, two floor-stretchers likely to fit in seamlessly with the Warriors' free-flowing offense. ESPN's Real Plus-Minus pegs the Warriors for 62 wins, a total that might seem modest yet still easily outpaces every team out West. -- Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info


2. Houston Rockets
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 108
2016-17: L, West semis


Summer Forecast 2017

Comments: Instead of lying down and ceding the West to the Warriors, Houston GM Daryl Morey orchestrated a salary cap clinic, trading for Chris Paul to create a two-headed point guard attack unlike any we've really ever seen and adding versatile wings PJ Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute. Morey might not be done either, as the Rockets have been linked to a Carmelo Anthony trade for much of the summer.

After running virtually everything through James Harden last season en route to breaking every 3-point shooting record, Houston will have varied options and the personnel to play any number of ways. -- Adams


3. San Antonio Spurs
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 49
2016-17: L, West finals




Comments: In a whirlwind summer defined by contenders making splashy moves, leave it to the Spurs to mostly stand pat. Aside from swapping in Rudy Gay for the departed Jonathon Simmons, San Antonio seems content to roll with the group that had the Warriors down big Game 1 of the Western Conference finals until Kawhi Leonard's untimely injury.

It's surely a small sample size, but in the 92 minutes that Leonard was on the floor against the Warriors last season, including both the regular season and playoffs, the Spurs outscored the champs by 31 points. -- Adams


Also receiving votes: Oklahoma City Thunder (17), LA Clippers (1), Minnesota Timberwolves (1).




I wasn't shocked until I got to the last line. Minnesota Timberwolves (1).


Yeah. And someone also cast a vote for (gulp) the Clippers.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers don't make the playoffs at all.

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Last season, the Golden State Warriors blitzed their way into the NBA Finals en route to the 2017 NBA title. What has changed for Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant & Co.?

Not much, which is why they're the overwhelming favorite yet again to repeat at Western Conference champs.

We asked the ESPN Forecast panel of 44 experts to rank its top three choices for the 2017-18 Western Conference champions, with a first-place vote receiving five points, a second-place vote receiving three and a third-place vote receiving one.

Here are the results:

Forecast: 2017-18 West champs


1. Golden State Warriors
First-place votes: 44
Total points: 220
2016-17: W, NBA Finals

Comments: Golden State didn't drop a single game in the Western Conference playoffs and returns with 10 of its top 11 in minutes played. Though Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry were never serious threats to leave, they managed to re-sign the All-Star duo as well as Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, Zaza Pachulia, David West and JaVale McGee, all of whom played specific roles and were on the open market.

The only player not returning is Ian Clark, who will be replaced by Nick Young and Omri Casspi, two floor-stretchers likely to fit in seamlessly with the Warriors' free-flowing offense. ESPN's Real Plus-Minus pegs the Warriors for 62 wins, a total that might seem modest yet still easily outpaces every team out West. -- Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info


2. Houston Rockets
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 108
2016-17: L, West semis


Summer Forecast 2017

Comments: Instead of lying down and ceding the West to the Warriors, Houston GM Daryl Morey orchestrated a salary cap clinic, trading for Chris Paul to create a two-headed point guard attack unlike any we've really ever seen and adding versatile wings PJ Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute. Morey might not be done either, as the Rockets have been linked to a Carmelo Anthony trade for much of the summer.

After running virtually everything through James Harden last season en route to breaking every 3-point shooting record, Houston will have varied options and the personnel to play any number of ways. -- Adams


3. San Antonio Spurs
First-place votes: 0
Total points: 49
2016-17: L, West finals




Comments: In a whirlwind summer defined by contenders making splashy moves, leave it to the Spurs to mostly stand pat. Aside from swapping in Rudy Gay for the departed Jonathon Simmons, San Antonio seems content to roll with the group that had the Warriors down big Game 1 of the Western Conference finals until Kawhi Leonard's untimely injury.

It's surely a small sample size, but in the 92 minutes that Leonard was on the floor against the Warriors last season, including both the regular season and playoffs, the Spurs outscored the champs by 31 points. -- Adams


Also receiving votes: Oklahoma City Thunder (17), LA Clippers (1), Minnesota Timberwolves (1).




I wasn't shocked until I got to the last line. Minnesota Timberwolves (1).


Yeah. And someone also cast a vote for (gulp) the Clippers.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers don't make the playoffs at all.

My level of surprise is greater on the Wolves only getting 1 third place vote out of 44. I would have expected a few more.

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