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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/12/2012 9:17:09 PM

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I really like Kevin Love as a player, but he's not THAT damn good, at least not yet.

When he puts any team on his back and wins a championship, then he's in that conversation.. but, not a second before.

I haven't seen any player carry a team as bad as the Wolves to the NBA championship. Get real!

Maybe he's part of the problem.

I hear how wonderful he is but their record has been terrible.

The NBA has a rich history of being littered with role players.

Leonard "Truck" Robinson II ?

You better watch him play. It's obvious you've seen very little of him.

Besides, Truck went for 19 pts/11 trb in his 3rd season.

His best season was 23/16. That's not chopped meat.

I'd say Elvin Hayes but Love has a long way to go to compare to the Big E.

Elvin wasn't a role player either.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 6:52:26 AM

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Kobe refusing to pass the ball to Love for an easy layup. Then Kobe tries for a real tough reverse layup and smacks Love in the face.

Love doesn't deserve the looks. He may in 4 years but for now he should stick to his bit player role and let the pros handle things.

I was tempted to use much stronger language but Heck with you Bill. Love is EASILY a better player than Kobe.

I know you got that homer thing going, but for real?

Very for real. Love is EASILY a better player than Kobe.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 6:55:17 AM

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Kobe refusing to pass the ball to Love for an easy layup. Then Kobe tries for a real tough reverse layup and smacks Love in the face.

Love doesn't deserve the looks. He may in 4 years but for now he should stick to his bit player role and let the pros handle things.

I was tempted to use much stronger language but Heck with you Bill. Love is EASILY a better player than Kobe.

Talk to me after some MVPs and NBA championships.

Kobe has one MVP not MVPs. Unless you are talking All Star MVPs or Finals MVPs. I will go with the one that took the whole season to earn as being meaningful. Kobe has been on loaded teams and won titles. So what. I am talking right now not historically. Love is a better player and IMO an easily better player. He does much more positive things for his team than Kobe right now.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 6:57:31 AM

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A nice cog in a stacked team? Like Team USA, maybe? He was on the floor when the game was being decided, if I recall correctly.

I'm not saying he's better than Kobe, but I think you might be selling him a bit short.

Not only was he on the floor when the game was being decided he was making a very positive impact on that decision. Much more positive than Kobe.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 10:34:29 AM

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The Olympics was just another scrimmage for the likes of Kobe. So what Love was in there. They probably had to put in an 'effort guy' to get some rebounds and make it all look 'real'.

As for the post about Love being all that... I have to laugh when I look at the team record. Yeah he's doing amazing things for that team.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 10:40:44 AM

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I fully understand the small-town, small-mind syndrome of the few fringe types here. I don't buy it, but I understand the whys of it and how it manifests itself. It's simply due to a lack of exposure to the realities of the world. In lieu of tangible success, fantasies are created and woe to those that infringe on those fantasies. Shame really, but it's a reflection on the dumbing down of America.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 11:17:39 AM

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I fully understand the small-town, small-mind syndrome of the few fringe types here.

You're being too hard on yourself here. You're not THAT much of a fringe type.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 2:39:10 PM

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While everyone on the LA Fanpage is celebrating getting Dwight Howard....there is a little side not that states:

Dwight Howard most likely missing opening of season because of back surgery.....maybe that is why LA got him so cheap and Orlando couldn't get any more. Would you mortgage your future for someone coming off of back surgery?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-368369-lakers-points.html

The Lakers' understanding of Howard's lumbar microdiscectomy (surgical removal of herniated disc fragments in the lower back) is that standard recovery time is six or seven months. Howard had surgery April 20, which his doctor deemed went without complication, so six months off takes him to Oct. 20.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 2:58:34 PM

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I am talking right now not historically. Love is a better player and IMO an easily better player. He does much more positive things for his team than Kobe right now.

The advanced stats have your back on this one.
Kobe's WP48 for 2011-12: .047
Love's WP48 for 2011-12: .226

Going back to earlier seasons doesn't change things much.

2010-11:
Kobe: .132
Love: .335

2009-10:
Kobe: .137
Love: .251

Even in his rookie season Love comes out ahead.

2008-09:
Kobe: .184
Love: .198

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/137-kobe-bryant
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/185-kevin-love

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 4:35:22 PM

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I fully understand the small-town, small-mind syndrome of the few fringe types here.

You're being too hard on yourself here. You're not THAT much of a fringe type.

I knew that was coming!

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 4:35:44 PM

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While everyone on the LA Fanpage is celebrating getting Dwight Howard....there is a little side not that states:

Dwight Howard most likely missing opening of season because of back surgery.....maybe that is why LA got him so cheap and Orlando couldn't get any more. Would you mortgage your future for someone coming off of back surgery?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-368369-lakers-points.html

The Lakers' understanding of Howard's lumbar microdiscectomy (surgical removal of herniated disc fragments in the lower back) is that standard recovery time is six or seven months. Howard had surgery April 20, which his doctor deemed went without complication, so six months off takes him to Oct. 20.

Everybody knows that.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 4:53:10 PM

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The Olympics was just another scrimmage for the likes of Kobe. So what Love was in there. They probably had to put in an 'effort guy' to get some rebounds and make it all look 'real'.

As for the post about Love being all that... I have to laugh when I look at the team record. Yeah he's doing amazing things for that team.

Oh, I get it now. I'm not falling for your schtick again. Scrimmage, hah!!!

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 7:22:54 PM

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Look, when Dwight Love can be known by a single name there might be something there. Until then, he's just a guy. Granted he's essentially known as a lunchpail type of player and there's nothing wrong with that. It's actually pretty good. Hank Thomas of Viking yore was like that. But the record shows he can't carry a team anywhere and that's why he needs to be surrounded by players who are more athletic, can get their own shots, etc. It is what it is, regardless of small town hero fever.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 7:25:34 PM

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The Olympics was just another scrimmage for the likes of Kobe. So what Love was in there. They probably had to put in an 'effort guy' to get some rebounds and make it all look 'real'.

As for the post about Love being all that... I have to laugh when I look at the team record. Yeah he's doing amazing things for that team.

Oh, I get it now. I'm not falling for your schtick again. Scrimmage, hah!!!

After 15+ years of pressure of being the man, taking the final shot, etc. the Olympics were a cake walk for Kobe as others could share the burden.

When Love felt pressure after a year of being the hometown star he foot stomped some guys head.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 7:29:12 PM

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NO, not the "advanced" stats!! NOoooooo.....

It's incredible the lengths that some will go to in order to fabricate, and in essence make believe, a fantasmial tale.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 8:18:00 PM

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NO, not the "advanced" stats!! NOoooooo.....

It's incredible the lengths that some will go to in order to fabricate, and in essence make believe, a fantasmial tale.

Bill since you don't understand basketball it will be hard for you to understand advanced stats and how Love is a much better player than Kobe. To those who do understand basketball it is pretty obvious. Kobe at this stage in his career doesn't do much positive on the court. Lot of points but not efficient. Lot of Isos in crunch time even less efficient. Hero ball is the way to lose the game.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 10:32:52 PM

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While everyone on the LA Fanpage is celebrating getting Dwight Howard....there is a little side not that states:

Dwight Howard most likely missing opening of season because of back surgery.....maybe that is why LA got him so cheap and Orlando couldn't get any more. Would you mortgage your future for someone coming off of back surgery?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-368369-lakers-points.html

The Lakers' understanding of Howard's lumbar microdiscectomy (surgical removal of herniated disc fragments in the lower back) is that standard recovery time is six or seven months. Howard had surgery April 20, which his doctor deemed went without complication, so six months off takes him to Oct. 20.

I just heard ESPN say the Lakers are one of the favorites after adding two of the best players...one being 39 and the other having a surgically repaired back.....Kahn has to be laughing as he has a lot less invested in Roy and Kirlenko.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/13/2012 10:39:57 PM

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I think Bill is in here fishing. He has admitted he watches very little Timberwolve basketball. Love is one of the top players in the game today. He also questioned Rubio's mental toughness after he witnessed a terrible pass.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 7:32:30 AM

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 7:48:02 AM

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That never gets old.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 3:30:01 PM

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Is that the wolves highlight of the year?

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 3:32:54 PM

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While everyone on the LA Fanpage is celebrating getting Dwight Howard....there is a little side not that states:

Dwight Howard most likely missing opening of season because of back surgery.....maybe that is why LA got him so cheap and Orlando couldn't get any more. Would you mortgage your future for someone coming off of back surgery?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-368369-lakers-points.html

The Lakers' understanding of Howard's lumbar microdiscectomy (surgical removal of herniated disc fragments in the lower back) is that standard recovery time is six or seven months. Howard had surgery April 20, which his doctor deemed went without complication, so six months off takes him to Oct. 20.

I just heard ESPN say the Lakers are one of the favorites after adding two of the best players...one being 39 and the other having a surgically repaired back.....Kahn has to be laughing as he has a lot less invested in Roy and Kirlenko.

Yeah, I'm sure the entire league is joining Kahn in just laughing at those foolish Lakers.

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 3:33:55 PM

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NO, not the "advanced" stats!! NOoooooo.....

It's incredible the lengths that some will go to in order to fabricate, and in essence make believe, a fantasmial tale.

Bill since you don't understand basketball it will be hard for you to understand advanced stats and how Love is a much better player than Kobe. To those who do understand basketball it is pretty obvious. Kobe at this stage in his career doesn't do much positive on the court. Lot of points but not efficient. Lot of Isos in crunch time even less efficient. Hero ball is the way to lose the game.

Advanced opinions to supposedly back up those "advanced stats". LMAO!!

You are the typical 'fantasy stat' guy who has no clue about basketball schemes, personnel, and the like.

Typical Spastic Give Me a Sound Bite/Highlight But It Better Not Be Longer Than 27 Seconds so-called "fan".

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 3:38:28 PM

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Ha ha, let's all laugh at those do nothing Lakers... nothing again.... just loving the status quo.... not even trying to get another title..... Mitch Kupchak being villified around the league.... cellar dwellars yet again with the Minnesota Timberlands....

WOW!!

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RE: NBA Talk 2012 - 8/14/2012 5:44:52 PM

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I give up Phil..... Kahn wins! He has less invested!

OK, Love jousting aside, I think that encapsulates what I'm talking about. Going out and getting what you think will win championships, regardless of the cost and risk, is foreign to some. To many. And foreign to many crappy teams, which is fine with me!

It's a sad day when journalists and hacks get it but fans don't.

Here's the deal Phil. LA is expected to compete for the NBA Championship year in and year out. Regardless of luxury taxes, limited free agents, old rosters, a new CBA, blah, blah. There are no excuses. No reasons. No could haves or if only's. They might as well adopt Al Davis' motto, "Just Win Baby!" because that is the expectation.

And Jerry Buss has delivered. Jerry West has delivered. And Mitch Kupchak, the great North Carolina Tar Heel and 6th man in the Bullets championship in the mid-70s, has delivered.

So you go have a party and enjoy your fabricated 3rd party financial moral victory based on "investing less" in a player with one knee and some guy who probably has a Russian machine gun named after him.... because you don't get the winning mentality, attitude, expectations, demands, and pressure.

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