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ORIGINAL: JT2

Somewhere in this discussion lies a good debate. Kobe vs. Love, right now.

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I appreciate the guys that were civil and provided stats. However, there has been no mention of defense. That shouldn't be ignored.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Personally, I don't think that Love is easily better than Kobe. I think it's pretty damn close. And that's one hell of a compliment to Kevin Love.

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

IMO the difference between Howard and Bynum is grand canyon sized. Lakers even if Kobe doesn't play next year can still be title contenders IMO. Howard Gasol and Nash who was still great last year is very good.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

IMO the difference between Howard and Bynum is grand canyon sized. Lakers even if Kobe doesn't play next year can still be title contenders IMO. Howard Gasol and Nash who was still great last year is very good.

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His only choice at that time, assuming a bad season, is Houston.

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His only choice at that time, assuming a bad season, is Houston.

Dallas will also be an option.

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

IMO the difference between Howard and Bynum is grand canyon sized. Lakers even if Kobe doesn't play next year can still be title contenders IMO. Howard Gasol and Nash who was still great last year is very good.

The differences between Howard and Bynum may depend upon how bad Howards back is. Backs take a long time to heal and lots of players are never the same after a major back injury. They are subject to lots of reinjury. Also, It will be interesting to see if Howard can keep his head in the game. I think his agent has done a lot to make him a head case. Seasons are long and stressful. The teams who look good on paper are not always the winners. Its still a teeam game and the Lakers appear to be a collection of me first guys. We will see.

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

IMO the difference between Howard and Bynum is grand canyon sized. Lakers even if Kobe doesn't play next year can still be title contenders IMO. Howard Gasol and Nash who was still great last year is very good.

R U talking attitude or talent. PER rankings had Howard 1 and Bynum 2.....now if you factor attitude there is a big difference. I don't see much gain with Howard plus it is no guarantee LA will be able to resign.....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Last year when Bynum had his head on straight he was a force on both ends.....MN handled most front lines but couldn't with Gasol and Bynum. You are overvaluing Howard and undervaluing Bynum....

Bynum has size and reach over Howard....Howard has pick and roll benefits over Bynum on both offense and defense plus Howard is a 58% free throw shooter, Bynum was 78%.....it is closer than most think.

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I would willing to bet Howard's scoring and rebounding go down.....which would be about bynum's 17.* and 11.* averages last year plus he isnt as big.

As an outsider looking in....the biggest problems with Bynum were attitude and injuries.....can u honestly say those are fixed with Howard?

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Much of the country understands Love is but a role player. Decent but he can't create his own shots. Limited. But he's a good rebounder.

He's a cross between Tyler Hansborough and Blake Griffin, only less athletic.

I post about Love, kgaboom posts about me, go figure.

Dude, you started the personal attacks with your knob licker comment. Now you're going to play victim?


Love isn't just a good rebounder, he's working at one of the top rates in NBA history.

And you apparently didn't watch him much last year, as he demonstrated the ability to create his own shot. He put up 26 PPG; Kobe put up 28, but he needed 4 more shots per game to get the additional 2 points. Love definitively moved out of the category of role player.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

We will see if Howard and Nash's back hold up Bill. You can pat yourself on your back (or try as Laker Nation has to ignore the bad backs of Nash and Howard's) all you want but the wolves have put themselves in the running. Roy's knee is an issue but the Lakers have two bad backs to watch.

Twolves

Additions:
Buddinger
Cunningham
Steimsa
AK47
Shved
Roy

Subtractions:
Beasley
Wes
Randolph
Ellington
Tolliver
Darko

Since you are not a Wolves fan the 4 best transactions this offseason are the Subtractions of Beasley, Wes, Randolph, and Darko.

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

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I would willing to bet Howard's scoring and rebounding go down.....which would be about bynum's 17.* and 11.* averages last year plus he isnt as big.

As an outsider looking in....the biggest problems with Bynum were attitude and injuries.....can u honestly say those are fixed with Howard?

With Howard being able to rebound all of Kobe's bricks those averages should go up .

Howard's attitude on the court has never been much of a problem as far as I know. The difference between Howard and Bynum are that Howard is easily more athletic and much more of a warrior. Injuries have never been a concern for Howard in the past but I know he is dealing with recovery from surgery right now. I expect Howard to recover from his surgery and be at his very best for most of this coming season. Bynum has his moments when he is very good, I just don't see him as being an elite player. Howard is arguably the second best player in the league.

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Ref. bold: WHAT?

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Ref. bold: WHAT?

Bill I probably shouldn't but I am going to treat you as a non troll on this. I agree that Great team is certainly an exaggeration at this point. However I think the Wolves have a good shot at being a good team this year. I could see them winning 50 games or more IF things fall into place. I don't see a losing season barring catastrophe.

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ORIGINAL: David Jerde

Clearly you don't understand that Kobe plays in LA. Hello?

So True! If you play on a big market team and your a selfish player, you are so much better then everybody else. People only remember the wins and they forget the losses in the big market. It is a lot easier to be the man when the owner is willing to put up the moon to make the team better. Kahn works on a fixed amount of money. Other GM's dont. We put together a great team on limited spending.

Another thing to remember is that the difference between Bynum and Howard is very small....the Nash and Jamison pick ups are the big difference makers but both are getting up there Jamison 36, Nash 38.

In Boston and Miami they are concerned of the age of Terry, KG, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis but in LA there is no talk about the age of Kobe (34 in a month), Jamison (36), and Nash (39) in Feb. HMMM..OK

OMG. Yeah there is no talk of "win now because that door is going to close rapidly." Hell, every Laker fan thinks those players are all 26 and age is some issue only Boston has.