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But Vick might now have a HC that knows how to win. Vick does know how to play quick, and that offense might become hard to defend. I think Vick has abilities to pass and run, I'm just not sure if he has the right make up to be a good teammate and to be a winner.

A long time ago, I think it was back in 2004 when there was debate about the Redskins' name, I read somewhere (it may have just been a joke, but the writer insisted it was the truth) that the name 'Redskins' had nothing to do with Native Americans, but instead came from something in regards to the Boston tea party, something about their faces appearing red as they dumped the tea into the sea. Anybody know anything about this ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

But Vick might now have a HC that knows how to win. Vick does know how to play quick, and that offense might become hard to defend. I think Vick has abilities to pass and run, I'm just not sure if he has the right make up to be a good teammate and to be a winner.

A long time ago, I think it was back in 2004 when there was debate about the Redskins' name, I read somewhere (it may have just been a joke, but the writer insisted it was the truth) that the name 'Redskins' had nothing to do with Native Americans, but instead came from something in regards to the Boston tea party, something about their faces appearing red as they dumped the tea into the sea. Anybody know anything about this ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

But Vick might now have a HC that knows how to win. Vick does know how to play quick, and that offense might become hard to defend. I think Vick has abilities to pass and run, I'm just not sure if he has the right make up to be a good teammate and to be a winner.

A long time ago, I think it was back in 2004 when there was debate about the Redskins' name, I read somewhere (it may have just been a joke, but the writer insisted it was the truth) that the name 'Redskins' had nothing to do with Native Americans, but instead came from something in regards to the Boston tea party, something about their faces appearing red as they dumped the tea into the sea. Anybody know anything about this ?

So name a Washington D.C. team after them.

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I will not refer to that team as anything other than "Washington". I don't care if other people don't mind their nickname. I do. I draw a lone between nicknames like "Seminoles" or "Illini" and ones like Washington in the NFL or Cleveland in MLB. The former are an attempt to honor the spirit of specific peoples from those areas, with attention paid to their particular heritage and customs. The latter are lazy and reductive, honoring no one at all, and Washington's in particular is flat out derogatory. I'm going to go with how Chris Rock put it:

"Washington Redskins, that's not nice! That's a racial slur! That's kind of like having the New York ****s, okay?"

The NCAA will allow teams to keep their mascots with no penalty if they can get the support of the tribe in question. Florida State, for example, was exempted after gaining the support of not only the Florida Seminole tribe, but also the Oklahoma Seminole tribe. North Dakota had the support of some tribes, but there were holdouts, so they were not given an exemption.

To me, this is the correct approach. Which points to exactly why Washington's nickname needs to go - which tribe are they honoring? Who can they ask for permission? Beyond the fact that the name itself is a slur, its usage is entirely reductive - it doesn't make any distinction beyond the color of the skin of an entire race. It is nothing more than a pejorative wrapped up in tradition.

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Interesting fact on Don Shula (for no particular reason than I came across it and found it interesting):  He had a winning record against every coach he ever faced except Marv Levy, against whom he was 5–14 during the regular season and 0–3 in the playoffs

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Vick attributes the perception of holding the ball too long to the West Coast offense the Eagles ran under Andy Reid. “We had a lot of deeper throws last year, which required more time,” Vick said. “It’s just a big difference.

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New coach Chip Kelly’s system will result in quicker throws; if Vick can make them, he’ll likely be the starter. Kelly also has taught Vick something unrelated to throwing the ball — how to run with it, without fumbling.

“The other day, I broke out in the pocket, and the first thing Chip told me was to tuck the football,” Vick said. “So I showed him how I was running with it, and he looked at it and he knocked the ball right out of my hands. And he was like, ‘Hold it like this.’ And what he told me felt comfortable. I had a tighter grip on the football. That should secure that problem as long as I work on it.”

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Vick attributes the perception of holding the ball too long to the West Coast offense the Eagles ran under Andy Reid. “We had a lot of deeper throws last year, which required more time,” Vick said. “It’s just a big difference.

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Mhmmm. Vick has played in 10, 13, 12 games the last 3 years and has thrown pretty much 20 passes 31 yards and beyond in that WEST COAST OFFENSE each year.

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New coach Chip Kelly’s system will result in quicker throws; if Vick can make them, he’ll likely be the starter. Kelly also has taught Vick something unrelated to throwing the ball — how to run with it, without fumbling.

“The other day, I broke out in the pocket, and the first thing Chip told me was to tuck the football,” Vick said. “So I showed him how I was running with it, and he looked at it and he knocked the ball right out of my hands. And he was like, ‘Hold it like this.’ And what he told me felt comfortable. I had a tighter grip on the football. That should secure that problem as long as I work on it.”

Wow good for you!


What a loser this guy is.

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I have some doubts about Andy Ried being a good HC. IF Kelly is a good HC, Vick could do MUCH better, and Philly could surprise.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I have some doubts about Andy Ried being a good HC. IF Kelly is a good HC, Vick could do MUCH better, and Philly could surprise.

Andy Reid was a good coach until Jimmy Johnson died.  Then he sucked.  So unless he's got a really good DC, I don't see KC really getting much better.

If Vick hadn't figured the way to hold a ball by now...then it's too late.  How he holds the ball in the pocket or as he starts running isn't going to suddenly change the fact that he isn't a good QB in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I have some doubts about Andy Ried being a good HC. IF Kelly is a good HC, Vick could do MUCH better, and Philly could surprise.

Andy Reid was a good coach until Jimmy Johnson died.  Then he sucked.  So unless he's got a really good DC, I don't see KC really getting much better.

If Vick hadn't figured the way to hold a ball by now...then it's too late.  How he holds the ball in the pocket or as he starts running isn't going to suddenly change the fact that he isn't a good QB in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think Vick has some talent, and if Kelly can make some corrections on fundamentals with him, the Philly offense could surprise. The defense might surprise as well, now that Reid is gone.

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The Giants are the team that I'd pick to win that division, but I wonder if they made a mistake not keeping Bradshaw.

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The team I think could surprise is Arizona, at least early in the year. Carson Palmer brings them a decent regular season QB, but I suspect he'll falter if they make the playoffs. An ESPN commentator was saying a few days ago that the guard they drafted in the 1st round reminds him of a young Steve Hutchinson. Add to that, Honey Badger on defense, along with the S.O.D. (Swope of the Draft), and they could be a surprise team (unless Honey Badger and S.O.D. end up spending their time doing dope).

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I think Vick has some talent, and if Kelly can make some corrections on fundamentals with him, the Philly offense could surprise. The defense might surprise as well, now that Reid is gone.

Vick is 32 years old.  There really isn't anything anyone can do to correct his fundamentals.  Vick will not be with the Eagles next year.  There will be some that will suggest, no matter how well Ponder does, that the Vikings pick him up.  I will be in full opposition to that.  Vick is a great athlete, not a great QB. 

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If Arizona does anything, like win a few games...they will be a surprise.  They can't get MUCH worse than they were last year.  They were a joke.

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9313291/third-7-not-knee-haunts-john-fox-denver-broncos

Four months after the Denver Broncos' playoff loss to the Baltimore Ravens, coach John Fox said he'd still have Peyton Manning take a knee and go to overtime rather than try for the win with 31 seconds left.

A good reason to NOT pick the Broncos to win it all. Fox has shown he can get a team to the SB, but not win one. I don't think he's likely to win won with Denver either, but Peyton's desire to win as many SBs as his brother might overcome some of Fox's flaws to win a SB. It'll be interesting, we shall see.

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9313291/third-7-not-knee-haunts-john-fox-denver-broncos

Four months after the Denver Broncos' playoff loss to the Baltimore Ravens, coach John Fox said he'd still have Peyton Manning take a knee and go to overtime rather than try for the win with 31 seconds left.

A good reason to NOT pick the Broncos to win it all. Fox has shown he can get a team to the SB, but not win one. I don't think he's likely to win won with Denver either, but Peyton's desire to win as many SBs as his brother might overcome some of Fox's flaws to win a SB. It'll be interesting, we shall see.

Fox made an idiotic move taking a knee. He just wont admit it. While watching that game I was flaborgasted when he had Peyton take a knee with 31 sec left good field position and only needing a field goal. plus, you have Peyton Manning qbing you offense, Fox should have been fired for that.

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Vick is no longer a great athlete. Yeah, he allegedly beat McCoy in the 40

Yeah, he claims he can outrun any QB

But all it takes is a couple good hits in the game and then he runs slower than Big Ben

His passing accuracy, which was top notch in 2010, has faded also.

Vick might have been a decent pickup for the Vikings THIS year but by next year he will be as shot as McNabb was when he came here

Vick needs to play on a team that runs the ball 55% of the time

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Vick is no longer a great athlete. Yeah, he allegedly beat McCoy in the 40

Yeah, he claims he can outrun any QB

But all it takes is a couple good hits in the game and then he runs slower than Big Ben

His passing accuracy, which was top notch in 2010, has faded also.

Vick might have been a decent pickup for the Vikings THIS year but by next year he will be as shot as McNabb was when he came here

Vick needs to play on a team that runs the ball 55% of the time

Pretty sure RGIII would light Vick up in the 40 or 100 meter. He was a star track guy as well. This statement is on the premise that when he is fully healed from is acl.

Agree Vick might really flourish with our good run game. Vick does have a great arm and was playing out of his mind a couple years back when he supplanted McNabb. Vick needs a clean pocket to be an effective passer and the Eagles O-Line has been a mess the last two years.