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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:53:55 AM

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I think signing Bell is a risky KC move

Why risk injecting poison to a good thing?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:56:24 AM

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IMO Spielman is the one that needs to be replaced. Ext Cousins was flat out dumb.

Not bringing in a decent backup = dumb.

Spielman has never got the QB position right nor the oline his entire tenure.

Time for some new blood that understands how the game is evolving.

thanks
Said it simply
In a lot less words than I needed.

Slick Rick needs to quit focusing on trading down to get half a dozen picks in the last two rounds and focus on getting guys who can play in the early rounds.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 9:03:08 AM

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I think signing Bell is a risky KC move

Why risk injecting poison to a good thing?

Only way to do it is the NE way
Bring em in
If they are on board, play em
If they are not, see ya
Simple

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 9:04:28 AM

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I think signing Bell is a risky KC move

Why risk injecting poison to a good thing?

Only way to do it is the NE way
Bring em in
If they are on board, play em
If they are not, see ya
Simple

Yeah I guess. I just don't see the need for Bell to come in and get some carries a game and then not be happy.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 9:09:09 AM

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I think signing Bell is a risky KC move

Why risk injecting poison to a good thing?

Only way to do it is the NE way
Bring em in
If they are on board, play em
If they are not, see ya
Simple

Yes!!! BB is the best there is at finding players who can execute his schemes to perfection. Not pro bowlers. Players who have the skill set for the system and buy into the system, mind, body and soul.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 10:12:24 AM

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Ya gotta make plays with your feet in 2020, if you are not Tom Brady or Big Ben
Everyone else does
Cousins combo of
not big
not mobile
not brave
not innovative
Offers you nothing in 2020. Nothing.
There are better defensive athletes covering your best receivers in 2020
You cannot simply sit in a pristine pocket (if we ever got to that) and make things happen these days
Innovative and pro active play calling and design is the future and the present
I cannot believe the kid who lives down the street from me (Lance) can do this, but at this point he's a better option to me than Cousins.
And I'm not the typical Cousins hater, hell, I probably liked the signing. But ever since, its been blatantly obvious what his weaknesses are.
And 2020 has been a perfect storm, telling us what he will never be.
The first sign of trouble in a game, his eyes go to the carpet. He's an abused puppy most days. Its so obvious.
You look at the successful teams right now and they are led by confident leaders. Not sad puppies.

Cousins biggest problem to me is that if things go wrong, or something bad happens he doesn't recover very quickly. It lingers until it's too late.

He'd be fine if he had that Favreian skill of dismissing the dipshit throw he just made and come out firing again the next drive.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 10:16:27 AM

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Ya gotta make plays with your feet in 2020, if you are not Tom Brady or Big Ben
Everyone else does
Cousins combo of
not big
not mobile
not brave
not innovative
Offers you nothing in 2020. Nothing.
There are better defensive athletes covering your best receivers in 2020
You cannot simply sit in a pristine pocket (if we ever got to that) and make things happen these days
Innovative and pro active play calling and design is the future and the present
I cannot believe the kid who lives down the street from me (Lance) can do this, but at this point he's a better option to me than Cousins.
And I'm not the typical Cousins hater, hell, I probably liked the signing. But ever since, its been blatantly obvious what his weaknesses are.
And 2020 has been a perfect storm, telling us what he will never be.
The first sign of trouble in a game, his eyes go to the carpet. He's an abused puppy most days. Its so obvious.
You look at the successful teams right now and they are led by confident leaders. Not sad puppies.

Cousins biggest problem to me is that if things go wrong, or something bad happens he doesn't recover very quickly. It lingers until it's too late.

He'd be fine if he had that Favreian skill of dismissing the dipshit throw he just made and come out firing again the next drive.

the Seattle game was a microcosm of his career and his demeaner
As you say, gave the game away because of his inability to handle adversity
And the problem is, he didn't give them a score, he gave them three scores, in a couple minutes.
That sequence may be the end of the Vikings as we knew them. We had been obliterating Seattle to that point.
Were we going to shut them out? Of course not. But if your QB simply doesn't give them three scores we win that game.
Could have given them two and still won. He gave them three. And we lost by one point. The season turned right there, right then.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 2:22:47 PM

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Tua going to start for the Dolphins after this week's bye

3-3, 9th in the playoff standings

And Fitz-magic being replaced because....."it's time".(per the report from the Dolphins)

Fitz-magic would be >>>>>>>> than Cousins.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 2:28:16 PM

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Couldn't believe it when I heard it

Thinking Fitz was just basically like "we're goin nowhere, and I'm tired. Give the kid a shot"
He seemed genuinely happy for the kid
Talk about bailing your coach out, what a guy.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 2:36:02 PM

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Couldn't believe it when I heard it

Thinking Fitz was just basically like "we're goin nowhere, and I'm tired. Give the kid a shot"
He seemed genuinely happy for the kid
Talk about bailing your coach out, what a guy.

Yeah

He's ONLY #7 in the season quarterback ratings in the league

Where Cousins is

28

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 2:47:52 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 2:51:02 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

That in itself should tell you something.

Add to that the NYJ were going to sign Barr

Shoulda let that go too.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 3:02:53 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

No he didn't. He wanted to sign Cousins, but Cousins wanted out of Washington. Snyder franchised him twice in hopes of keeping him.

Denver and Arizona were both also competing for Cousins. The Jets offered him more money than the Vikings did.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 3:20:51 PM

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The Cowboys players reportedly unhappy with Mike McCarthy and staff
Some pretty harsh criticism being made public down there
Shocked I tell ya.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 3:25:23 PM

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The Cowboys players reportedly unhappy with Mike McCarthy and staff
Some pretty harsh criticism being made public down there
Shocked I tell ya.

So there's still a possibility he'll wind up in MN.

Ewww

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 4:13:49 PM

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The Cowboys players reportedly unhappy with Mike McCarthy and staff
Some pretty harsh criticism being made public down there
Shocked I tell ya.

So there's still a possibility he'll wind up in MN.

Ewww

NO

He's a tool that rode on the Coattails of HOF QBs to success. They should have won about 5 more SBs with those guys...but McCarthy held them back with his bad coaching. Dallas was incredibly stupid to hire him in the first place. Which makes me happy because outside of the Packers and Patriots, I hate the Cowboys the most.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 6:59:27 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

No he didn't. He wanted to sign Cousins, but Cousins wanted out of Washington. Snyder franchised him twice in hopes of keeping him.

Denver and Arizona were both also competing for Cousins. The Jets offered him more money than the Vikings did.

I'd have to see proof before I believe that. I remember it the other way around.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:35:28 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

No he didn't. He wanted to sign Cousins, but Cousins wanted out of Washington. Snyder franchised him twice in hopes of keeping him.

Denver and Arizona were both also competing for Cousins. The Jets offered him more money than the Vikings did.

I'd have to see proof before I believe that. I remember it the other way around.

Then you should get yourself some gingko biloba.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:45:33 PM

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Even Dan Snyder knew better than to give Cousins a long term contract.

The only team we were competing with for his services was the NYJ

No he didn't. He wanted to sign Cousins, but Cousins wanted out of Washington. Snyder franchised him twice in hopes of keeping him.

Denver and Arizona were both also competing for Cousins. The Jets offered him more money than the Vikings did.

I'd have to see proof before I believe that. I remember it the other way around.

Then you should get yourself some gingko biloba.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins-unsteady-relationship-with-kirk-cousins-reaches-an-inevitable-conclusion/2018/03/14/659060ee-2786-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html

When pressed over the past two years about what he sought in an NFL employer, Kirk Cousins consistently cited three factors: a team that believed in him, had a history of stability and routinely contended in the postseason.

In coming to terms with the Minnesota Vikings on a three-year deal that’s expected to be consummated soon after he was to make an official visit Wednesday evening, Cousins appears to have found all that.

In signing, Cousins also brings a merciful end to the halfhearted dance he had been doing with the Washington Redskins over a long-term contract that was never truly in play — at least not since December 2015, when then-general manager Scot McCloughan advocated locking up the first-year starter with a multiyear deal and Cousins’s agent counseled against signing, urging his client to finish the season strong and, in so doing, increase his market value.

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Yet the dance was reprised for months after Cousins did just that, leading the Redskins to the 2015 NFC East title, and again following the 2016 season and for a final time over the weeks that followed last season’s 7-9 disappointment.

Throughout, as Redskins fans’ expectations rose and fell and the team’s coaches and scouts could do no more than chart a short-term plan for the offense, the Redskins’ front office made no serious effort to keep Cousins. Cousins, in turn, sent no signal — in word, tone or deed — that he was enthused about staying, apart from carefully worded statements about the value of continuity and stability to any NFL team’s success.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:46:22 PM

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The subtext was clear: Cousins wasn’t interested in tying his long-term future to that of the Redskins. Perhaps his front-row seat to the way Mike Shanahan was treated by the front office after falling from grace was among the reasons — or perhaps his frustration over not getting a chance to compete for the starting job that belonged to first-round draft pick Robert Griffin III his first three seasons or perhaps witnessing McCloughan’s ignominious ouster in March 2017. Or perhaps it was his own treatment by Redskins President Bruce Allen, who in July publicly faulted Cousins for the team’s failure to broker a long-term contract, one Allen had insisted would be easy, calling him “Kurt” six times in a two-minute span.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/20/2020 8:55:42 PM

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I was there for it all. You couldn't escape it unless you turned off the radio. Snyder was fine with Cousins. Coaches and players loved him, fans were so-so. A lot pined for the rookie year of Griffen and held their ground but nobody in the stands were against him.

Now the GM?? That's a totally different story. Bruce Allen got absolutely roasted over the RG3 thing and hated the fact that he whiffed on that and Cousins (who was a Mike Shanny pick) won the job. He literraly tried to get Cousins to bail to save face. Everytime Allen was asked about him he said "Kurt Cousins blah blah blah". Just totally trying to disrespect him so he'd leave on his own and Allen would save some face.

Everybody knew it and Allen was finally canned after Cousins left and he whiffed again on QB. Dan Snyder is an absolutely terrible owner. The fans hate him with a passion. He's tried to emulate Jerry Jones but has never had an ounce of success.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/21/2020 7:43:12 AM

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So it sounds like neither team nor Cousins wanted a log term deal..

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/21/2020 9:14:53 AM

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Couldn't have a competent backup for Ponder because they didn't want to hurt him mentally. Same with Cousins.

Sorry, that tells you all you need to know.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/21/2020 9:43:41 AM

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So it sounds like neither team nor Cousins wanted a log term deal..

Yes, that's what they meant when they said..."Scot McCloughan advocated locking up the first-year starter with a multiyear deal and Cousins’s agent counseled against signing"...
As to the other part of teams wanting to sign Cousins that year

The Jets offered more money and were willing to front load the deal with $60 million in the first year.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pete-priscos-nfl-week-7-picks-washington-upsets-cowboys-cardinals-keep-rolling-against-seahawks/

The Cardinals, Browns, Broncos and Bills and others were interested in varying degrees.
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/31/nfl-free-agency-kirk-cousins-potential-landing-spots/

https://www.nj.com/jets/2018/01/kirk_cousins_free_agency_will_he_even_want_to_sign.html

Cousins has been a disappointment to be sure, but let's not pretend there wasn't a lot of interest in him. Teams are always desperate for QB. The market will always be competitive for a QB who hits the market with numbers like Cousins had in Washington. Hell, look what Case got after the one good season he ever had.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 10/21/2020 3:25:59 PM

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Couldn't believe it when I heard it

Thinking Fitz was just basically like "we're goin nowhere, and I'm tired. Give the kid a shot"
He seemed genuinely happy for the kid
Talk about bailing your coach out, what a guy.

So much for my theory

One day after Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores elevated rookie Tua Tagovailoa to starting quarterback, the recently demoted Ryan Fitzpatrick said the timing of the move "broke my heart," as he wonders if he has started his last NFL game.
"I was shocked by it. It definitely caught me off guard. It was a hard thing for me to hear yesterday, just kind of digesting the news. My heart just hurt all day. It was heartbreaking for me," Fitzpatrick said. "Flo kind of said what he said and said what he said to you guys as well, and that's the decision and the direction that the organization is going in."
"Obviously we've talked in the past, me and you guys, about how I'm the placeholder and this eventually was going to happen," Fitzpatrick added. "It was just a matter of kind of when, not if. It's still just ... it broke my heart yesterday. It's a tough thing for me to hear and to now have to deal with, but I'm going to do my best with it."

The decision hurt Fitzpatrick even more because he was playing some of the best football of his career -- leading the Dolphins to back-to-back blowout wins. The unquestioned leader of the team had a 79.6 QBR that ranks seventh in the NFL.
Fitzpatrick, 37, said he appreciated Flores telling him the news face-to-face in his office Tuesday morning. There appears to be no use wondering "why now?" because the decision seems final and he has to accept his new role.

Now I feel bad for the guy.

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