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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 10:50:36 AM

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Gardy was one of 4 TK assistants up for the job. There were no outside candidates because of the contraction rumors. Kelley said he didn't want to be part of the process and wasn't endorsing any of his assistants over the others. Rumor was that if TK actually favored anyone it was Molitor. Ryan went through a long drawn out process during which Molitor withdrew, leaving Ryan to choose Gardy over Ulcer and Newman. TK went to the horse track and never looked back.

Again, keep telling yourself that.

In the real world, any type of business, when a successful Manager leaves, on his or her own terms, conversations about a successor are had, often under the guise of "I don't want to be involved in the process", at which point
something like we will let you know who we are going with will happen.

TK knew and thought Gardenhire was the best for a young and upcoming team.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 11:04:24 AM

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Jay was in the pen for all but 2 starts last year, after 41 starts in the previous 2 years.

In the NCAA tourney,moved him back into a starting job. Then the Twins went bullpen, with intentions to have him start again.

So you're right, I'm right, too

Of course .....

Can't we all get along?

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 11:31:06 AM

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How long before we bring up Tovar....24, has ML experience with the Mets the last 2 years......

I really like what TR has done by signing Tovar, Centeno, and Grossman......

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 11:32:52 AM

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TK knew and thought Gardenhire was the best for a young and upcoming team.

No he didn't. Gardenhoser was Ryan's eff up all the way. At the time if TK leaned toward anyone it was Molitor who ultimately withdrew his name.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 11:35:13 AM

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How long before we bring up Tovar....24, has ML experience with the Mets the last 2 years......

I really like what TR has done by signing Tovar, Centeno, and Grossman......

As long as Nunez and Escobar are healthy, Tovar will stay in AAA.

Should be Polanco. Nah, he can't play SS.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 11:35:55 AM

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Jay was in the pen for all but 2 starts last year, after 41 starts in the previous 2 years.

In the NCAA tourney,moved him back into a starting job. Then the Twins went bullpen, with intentions to have him start again.

So you're right, I'm right, too

Of course .....

See SMF, when are you going to learn? Even when I am dead wrong, I'm right.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 12:11:13 PM

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Gardy was one of 4 TK assistants up for the job. There were no outside candidates because of the contraction rumors. Kelley said he didn't want to be part of the process and wasn't endorsing any of his assistants over the others. Rumor was that if TK actually favored anyone it was Molitor. Ryan went through a long drawn out process during which Molitor withdrew, leaving Ryan to choose Gardy over Ulcer and Newman. TK went to the horse track and never looked back.

He needs to stay at the horse track. He's out of touch and obsolete at this point.

Some of the things he said in the booth were borderline racist

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 12:23:29 PM

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In what way is he obsolete? I'm just curious because people keep saying crap about a guy who basically knows about more about baseball in his his little finger than Ed Funk who knows more about baseball than the rest of this forum combined. The man won a WS with a team that had no business winning a WS and suddenly the game has passed him by.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 12:42:21 PM

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He's obsolete becuase when he was winnng titles he was 36 and 39.., he could relate to young players.
It was pre internet and most modern athlete and media normailities of today.
You played cards with TK, you most likely gambled.

But, as he got older, he could not relate to Todd Walker, to David Ortiz, to Kyle Lohse, just to name a few guys who had success elsewhere.

He lost a lot between 1993 and 2001.

He started this "Twins Way" Crap.

Crap that had little to do with '87 and '91, which again, was 29 and 25 years ago.

The game long ago passed him by.

There is no way Ron Gardenhire manages the Twins without TK at least saying
"He'll be Fine"

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 1:09:16 PM

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He's obsolete becuase when he was winnng titles he was 36 and 39.., he could relate to young players.
It was pre internet and most modern athlete and media normailities of today.
You played cards with TK, you most likely gambled.

But, as he got older, he could not relate to Todd Walker, to David Ortiz, to Kyle Lohse, just to name a few guys who had success elsewhere.

Bullshit. Walker and Loshe had success playing for TK as well and had run ins with other managers. Walker had one of his best years playing for TK. In fact Lohse didn't have any run ins with TK. His issues were with Gardy and Andy. Ortiz's only problem was when he told he would be the starting 1B the next year and showed up to ST about 30 lbs overweight. Kelley brought Hunter along as a young player and Torii has thanked Kelley publicly over the years for teaching how to prepare and conduct himself as a major leaguer. And that was at the end of Kelley's career.

He lost a lot between 1993 and 2001.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the worst 10 years of rosters this team has ever seen.

He started this "Twins Way" Crap.

No he didn't. That line started with Gardy feebly trying to tie himself to Kelley's legacy. Kelley never uttered the phrase Twins way.
Crap that had little to do with '87 and '91, which again, was 29 and 25 years ago.

Sorry 29 and 25 years ago was when he managed. The game hasn't changed significantly in that time other than starting pitchers have gotten progressively more fragile.

The game long ago passed him by.

Again the game really hasn't changed other than fans being more SABER headed then they used be, so that statement makes no sense.

There is no way Ron Gardenhire manages the Twins without TK at least saying
"He'll be Fine"

Bullshit. Gardenhire got hired because his only competition was Ulcer and Newman. Nobody else bothered because the team was going to be contracted. Kelley didn't give a furry crack of rat's ass who Ryan hired.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 1:43:20 PM

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Roch no-hit through 4
Chatt scored 4 in the second, up 4-1

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 1:52:22 PM

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Adam Brett Walker:

AA- 31 HR 195/51 K/BB 39% K/AB
AAA- 10 HR (43 G) 74/16 K/BB 48% K/BB

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 1:54:13 PM

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MOVE ON. quit holding out hope he will be an important piece

Meyer (shoulder) underwent an MRI over the weekend that confirmed mild shoulder inflammation, Mike Berardino of the Pioneer Press reports.

Meyer has been out of commission since early May due to shoulder soreness, and it has been roughly one week since he's been able to throw a bullpen. There is no word on his timetable for a return, but given that he's still dealing with inflammation in his shoulder, it's unlikely that the Twins organization would rush him back to the mound before he's ready.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 1:56:07 PM

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Molitor said Miguel Sano will get an MRI exam on his hamstring when they get back to Minnesota as a precaution. Not sure of severity yet

Sano gets MRI roughly 2 days after injuring hamstring #MNTwins gave Alex Meyer an MRI 28 days after shoulder injury

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:02:34 PM

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Meyer apparently has been throwing bullpen before this, then saying it's sore the next day, so they did cat/mouse with that a while first.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:04:51 PM

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Jay was in the pen for all but 2 starts last year, after 41 starts in the previous 2 years.

In the NCAA tourney,moved him back into a starting job. Then the Twins went bullpen, with intentions to have him start again.

So you're right, I'm right, too

Of course .....

See SMF, when are you going to learn? Even when I am dead wrong, I'm right.

Oh, I've realized this .... Trust me.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:09:09 PM

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He's obsolete becuase when he was winnng titles he was 36 and 39.., he could relate to young players.
It was pre internet and most modern athlete and media normailities of today.
You played cards with TK, you most likely gambled.

But, as he got older, he could not relate to Todd Walker, to David Ortiz, to Kyle Lohse, just to name a few guys who had success elsewhere.

Bullshit. Walker and Loshe had success playing for TK as well and had run ins with other managers. Walker had one of his best years playing for TK. In fact Lohse didn't have any run ins with TK. His issues were with Gardy and Andy. Ortiz's only problem was when he told he would be the starting 1B the next year and showed up to ST about 30 lbs overweight. Kelley brought Hunter along as a young player and Torii has thanked Kelley publicly over the years for teaching how to prepare and conduct himself as a major leaguer. And that was at the end of Kelley's career.

He lost a lot between 1993 and 2001.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the worst 10 years of rosters this team has ever seen.

He started this "Twins Way" Crap.

No he didn't. That line started with Gardy feebly trying to tie himself to Kelley's legacy. Kelley never uttered the phrase Twins way.
Crap that had little to do with '87 and '91, which again, was 29 and 25 years ago.

Sorry 29 and 25 years ago was when he managed. The game hasn't changed significantly in that time other than starting pitchers have gotten progressively more fragile.

The game long ago passed him by.

Again the game really hasn't changed other than fans being more SABER headed then they used be, so that statement makes no sense.

There is no way Ron Gardenhire manages the Twins without TK at least saying
"He'll be Fine"

Bullshit. Gardenhire got hired because his only competition was Ulcer and Newman. Nobody else bothered because the team was going to be contracted. Kelley didn't give a furry crack of rat's ass who Ryan hired.

I disagree with everything in Blue

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:16:02 PM

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From this article

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/mlb_kelly.jsp

A successor to Kelly was not named Friday. Ryan now finds himself having to make his first managerial appointment since becoming general manager in 1994. He said that he would be looking within the organization and around baseball for a replacement.

While coaches Ron Gardenhire and Molitor are two potential candidates, Ryan declined to discuss the possibilities. Noting that there is no timetable, he said that Kelly would have input in the final decision.

"Now that's he's decided to retire, we'll try to find the best person for the job," Ryan said. "I will certainly consult and discuss with Tom the various things he has a better feel for as a manager. That's going to be invaluable for me."

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:16:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: McMurfy

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

He's obsolete becuase when he was winnng titles he was 36 and 39.., he could relate to young players.
It was pre internet and most modern athlete and media normailities of today.
You played cards with TK, you most likely gambled.

But, as he got older, he could not relate to Todd Walker, to David Ortiz, to Kyle Lohse, just to name a few guys who had success elsewhere.

Bullshit. Walker and Loshe had success playing for TK as well and had run ins with other managers. Walker had one of his best years playing for TK. In fact Lohse didn't have any run ins with TK. His issues were with Gardy and Andy. Ortiz's only problem was when he told he would be the starting 1B the next year and showed up to ST about 30 lbs overweight. Kelley brought Hunter along as a young player and Torii has thanked Kelley publicly over the years for teaching how to prepare and conduct himself as a major leaguer. And that was at the end of Kelley's career.

He lost a lot between 1993 and 2001.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the worst 10 years of rosters this team has ever seen.

He started this "Twins Way" Crap.

No he didn't. That line started with Gardy feebly trying to tie himself to Kelley's legacy. Kelley never uttered the phrase Twins way.
Crap that had little to do with '87 and '91, which again, was 29 and 25 years ago.

Sorry 29 and 25 years ago was when he managed. The game hasn't changed significantly in that time other than starting pitchers have gotten progressively more fragile.

The game long ago passed him by.

Again the game really hasn't changed other than fans being more SABER headed then they used be, so that statement makes no sense.

There is no way Ron Gardenhire manages the Twins without TK at least saying
"He'll be Fine"

Bullshit. Gardenhire got hired because his only competition was Ulcer and Newman. Nobody else bothered because the team was going to be contracted. Kelley didn't give a furry crack of rat's ass who Ryan hired.

I disagree with everything in Blue

That's fine. You have the inalienable right to be wrong.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:17:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

He's obsolete becuase when he was winnng titles he was 36 and 39.., he could relate to young players.
It was pre internet and most modern athlete and media normailities of today.
You played cards with TK, you most likely gambled.

But, as he got older, he could not relate to Todd Walker, to David Ortiz, to Kyle Lohse, just to name a few guys who had success elsewhere.

Bullshit. Walker and Loshe had success playing for TK as well and had run ins with other managers. Walker had one of his best years playing for TK. In fact Lohse didn't have any run ins with TK. His issues were with Gardy and Andy. Ortiz's only problem was when he told he would be the starting 1B the next year and showed up to ST about 30 lbs overweight. Kelley brought Hunter along as a young player and Torii has thanked Kelley publicly over the years for teaching how to prepare and conduct himself as a major leaguer. And that was at the end of Kelley's career.

He lost a lot between 1993 and 2001.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the worst 10 years of rosters this team has ever seen.

He started this "Twins Way" Crap.

No he didn't. That line started with Gardy feebly trying to tie himself to Kelley's legacy. Kelley never uttered the phrase Twins way.
Crap that had little to do with '87 and '91, which again, was 29 and 25 years ago.

Sorry 29 and 25 years ago was when he managed. The game hasn't changed significantly in that time other than starting pitchers have gotten progressively more fragile.

The game long ago passed him by.

Again the game really hasn't changed other than fans being more SABER headed then they used be, so that statement makes no sense.

There is no way Ron Gardenhire manages the Twins without TK at least saying
"He'll be Fine"

Bullshit. Gardenhire got hired because his only competition was Ulcer and Newman. Nobody else bothered because the team was going to be contracted. Kelley didn't give a furry crack of rat's ass who Ryan hired.

I disagree with everything in Blue

That's fine. You have the inalienable right to be wrong.

Again from my link

A successor to Kelly was not named Friday. Ryan now finds himself having to make his first managerial appointment since becoming general manager in 1994. He said that he would be looking within the organization and around baseball for a replacement.

While coaches Ron Gardenhire and Molitor are two potential candidates, Ryan declined to discuss the possibilities. Noting that there is no timetable, he said that Kelly would have input in the final decision.

"Now that's he's decided to retire, we'll try to find the best person for the job," Ryan said. "I will certainly consult and discuss with Tom the various things he has a better feel for as a manager. That's going to be invaluable for me."

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:18:50 PM

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A third time tying Gardenhire's hiring to Kelly,
the orginal crux of this disagreement

A successor to Kelly was not named Friday. Ryan now finds himself having to make his first managerial appointment since becoming general manager in 1994. He said that he would be looking within the organization and around baseball for a replacement.

While coaches Ron Gardenhire and Molitor are two potential candidates, Ryan declined to discuss the possibilities. Noting that there is no timetable, he said that Kelly would have input in the final decision.

"Now that's he's decided to retire, we'll try to find the best person for the job," Ryan said. "I will certainly consult and discuss with Tom the various things he has a better feel for as a manager. That's going to be invaluable for me."

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:19:37 PM

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The parts I really like

While coaches Ron Gardenhire and Molitor are two potential candidates, Ryan declined to discuss the possibilities. Noting that there is no timetable, he said that Kelly would have input in the final decision.

"Now that's he's decided to retire, we'll try to find the best person for the job," Ryan said. "I will certainly consult and discuss with Tom the various things he has a better feel for as a manager. That's going to be invaluable for me."

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:21:18 PM

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Palka has cranked his 8th dinger, 33 rbi's now in 48 games at AA

Hitting in the .260s. K's still an issue, 59 in 180 at bats.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:25:18 PM

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I know these two, people.
Settle in.
This is a heavyweight tilt.
Will go at least 15 rounds.
Pull up a chair.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 6/1/2016 2:27:31 PM

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Which means he asked Kelley about each of him since they were all his assistants. Molitor withdrew, meaning it was Gardy, Ulcer and Newman. Meaning Kelley either assessed each to Ryan with or without an endorsement and Ryan made the choice. If Kelley gave a recommendation, he was given a choice of syphilis, gonorrhea or chlamydia. Gardy's hire is not on him. That's supposed to the GM's job. He fielded a list of 4 candidates and the only qualified one said thanks, but no thanks. Blaming that on Kelley is beyond absurd.

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