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Wolves talk and rumors 2015 - 6/24/2014 10:20:20 AM   
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I'm having tons of problems with opening and posting on the old thread. Tim can you lock it and later archive it?

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 10:25:38 AM   
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Some interesting parts in Zach Lowes take ...

It’s fashionable to brand Love as empty calories because his Minnesota teams have never made the playoffs in his six seasons. That’s fair, but only to a point. Love spent the first two of those six seasons as an underutilized backup on an awful team. He became a starter in 2010-11, and the Wolves improved only two games — from 15-67 to 17-65. But get up from your chair, grab a barf bag or some other empty receptacle, and gaze upon the roster of the 2011 Minnesota Timberwolves.

It is a horror show. Looking at it for more than five continuous seconds might actually kill you, like watching that tape in The Ring. Kurt Rambis gave huge minutes to one failed project after another in Michael Beasley, Darko Milicic, Wesley Johnson, and more. Two of the Timber Pups who have actually turned into useful NBA players, Nikola Pekovic and Kosta Koufos, barely saw the floor.

The 2011-12 Wolves were playing .500 ball despite another blown top-five pick (Derrick Williams) when Ricky Rubio tore his ACL. Pekovic began suffering foot and ankle issues around the same time, and missed 19 games during the lockout-shortened season. Love got hurt on April 11, and the team fell apart down the stretch. Love then missed all but 18 games of the 2012-13 season.

It’s basically unprecedented for a top-10 overall player to miss the postseason in each of his first six seasons, and it’s fair to argue that an all-timer like LeBron James or Kevin Durant would have found a way to squeeze at least one playoff berth from this team — even given the same miserable draft and injury luck.

But at least dig into the record and ask how many legitimate chances the Timberwolves have really had at a top-eight spot in the West during Love’s career. Love isn’t on the level of Durant and LeBron. No one would argue that, but he’s squarely in the next tier. If you can get that kind of player, you should do it.

Love’s limitations as a defender are real, and I went into them extensively here. He’ll never be able to protect the rim; he can’t jump very high, and he has a shorter wingspan than Green, who is two inches shorter than Love. He has too often acted as the big man’s Dwyane Wade in transition nondefense, and though he gets into the right positions against the pick-and-roll, his presence isn’t going to scare elite ball handlers away from the basket.

His issues on defense have been a part of Minnesota’s yearslong run of catastrophic crunch-time bumbling.1 The Wolves haven’t been able to get stops, and when the score is within three points late in games, they’ve fouled at an absurd rate in some panicked effort to compensate. It’s a glaring point since the Wolves commit an incredibly low amount of fouls per game (third-fewest in the league during the regular season).

Don’t blame Love for Minnesota’s scoring yips in the clutch. He was one of the league’s most dangerous crunch-time scorers last season, and his post game has improved to the point where teams can dump him the ball and count on Love generating a good look. He has a useful righty jump hook from the left block and a smart face-up game.

Love shot 44 percent on a large helping of post-ups last season and drew a ton of fouls, per Synergy Sports. The Wolves scored 0.92 points per possession on trips that Love finished via a post-up play, a mark that ranked 32nd among 117 players who recorded at least 50 post-ups — above guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tim Duncan, Zach Randolph, and LaMarcus Aldridge.

It’s Love’s shooting that would prove transformative for a Warriors team that ranked just 12th in points per possession last season — unthinkably bad for a team blessed with such marksmanship and passing.


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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 11:29:56 AM   
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I see I can no longer post on the old Wolves Rumors thread either. Lock it down and move forward with this one. Should we open a Draft 2014 thread now with the draft just a couple days away?
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 11:34:43 AM   
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I already locked it down. I can open a draft thread if the majority thinks it necessary.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 11:41:35 AM   
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I already locked it down. I can open a draft thread if the majority thinks it necessary.

I vote for one. We can go there knowing it is draft talk rather than mixing it in with everything on this thread.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 11:43:26 AM   
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Speaking of the Draft one Wolves possibility has appeared to drop out signing a new deal in Europe Dario Saric. Anybody know if he will be selectable to stash for a couple years?
Edit: Just answered my own question. He won't be able to come to the NBA for two years but is draftable. Expected to go in the first round anywhere from about pick 15 to the end of the round.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 11:59:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Speaking of the Draft one Wolves possibility has appeared to drop out signing a new deal in Europe Dario Saric. Anybody know if he will be selectable to stash for a couple years?
Edit: Just answered my own question. He won't be able to come to the NBA for two years but is draftable. Expected to go in the first round anywhere from about pick 15 to the end of the round.


My guess is #10 to the Sixers is the earliest he goes, and he doesn't drop below 16 (CHI) or 17 (BOS)
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 1:18:59 PM   
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I already locked it down. I can open a draft thread if the majority thinks it necessary.


Not really enough traffic to justify, I don't think.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:07:57 PM   
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A team I'm hearing to keep a close eye on in the Kevin Love sweepstakes: Houston. If Morey misses on LBJ as expected, Love is a big target

Rockets can dangle Chandler Parsons, Terrence Jones, Asik, draft picks to get in the game.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:18:17 PM   
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And we know Kevin McHale LOVES Kevin Love.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:35:12 PM   
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Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynsk

A team I'm hearing to keep a close eye on in the Kevin Love sweepstakes: Houston. If Morey misses on LBJ as expected, Love is a big target

Rockets can dangle Chandler Parsons, Terrence Jones, Asik, draft picks to get in the game.



Not sure how I feel about that one.

Jones is a nice, cheap player (picked with our pick).

Asik is very good, but another Center?

Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:44:18 PM   
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Was gonna say ... Parsons would be more depressed than Klay supposedly is.
That boy has BIG plans.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:46:21 PM   
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Flip should have a Pek trade lined up if he ends up coming back to the Rockets for a trade.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:48:16 PM   
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Brittle Bogut leaves the Warriors always needing a C
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:52:15 PM   
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Asik is a FA after this year as well, so he's due for a new contract.

And he has a weird deal this year. He has an 8M cap hit, but he actually gets paid 15M.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 2:54:56 PM   
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Asik is a FA after this year as well, so he's due for a new contract.

And he has a weird deal this year. He has an 8M cap hit, but he actually gets paid 15M.

Taylor wouldn't touch that I bet.

Rockets out.

Rockets Morey said he has trades lined up for both Lin and Asik if needed down the line

probably just bluster.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 3:07:25 PM   
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At least it is another team making an offer. Hpoefully the competition will heat up

Bostons #6 #17 Sully/Olynik and 2 Broolyn #1's is an incredible offer. I can't believe even Flip could pass that up

We could be adding multiple studs for the next two years. Flip needs to hire a young coach and let himdevelop the players. As a GM it would be fun having those high picks for 3 years straight.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 3:09:29 PM   
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At least it is another team making an offer. Hpoefully the competition will heat up

Bostons #6 #17 Sully/Olynik and 2 Broolyn #1's is an incredible offer. I can't believe even Flip could pass that up

We could be adding multiple studs for the next two years. Flip needs to hire a young coach and let him develop the players. As a GM it would be fun having those high picks for 3 years straight.



Yeah, I don't think the offers are near as good as are being portrayed in the media so far.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:32:05 PM   
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Speaking of the Draft one Wolves possibility has appeared to drop out signing a new deal in Europe Dario Saric. Anybody know if he will be selectable to stash for a couple years?
Edit: Just answered my own question. He won't be able to come to the NBA for two years but is draftable. Expected to go in the first round anywhere from about pick 15 to the end of the round.


My guess is #10 to the Sixers is the earliest he goes, and he doesn't drop below 16 (CHI) or 17 (BOS)

You really think he will go that early even with a minimum as far as I can tell two year commitment to Europe?
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:35:53 PM   
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At least it is another team making an offer. Hpoefully the competition will heat up

Bostons #6 #17 Sully/Olynik and 2 Broolyn #1's is an incredible offer. I can't believe even Flip could pass that up

We could be adding multiple studs for the next two years. Flip needs to hire a young coach and let him develop the players. As a GM it would be fun having those high picks for 3 years straight.



Yeah, I don't think the offers are near as good as are being portrayed in the media so far.

The way I heard the potential offer from Boston the Future picks were never designated as being Brooklyn picks but the rest of it is the way you wrote it. At this point it does seem like the best offer all around if it actually exists.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:36:21 PM   
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Speaking of the Draft one Wolves possibility has appeared to drop out signing a new deal in Europe Dario Saric. Anybody know if he will be selectable to stash for a couple years?
Edit: Just answered my own question. He won't be able to come to the NBA for two years but is draftable. Expected to go in the first round anywhere from about pick 15 to the end of the round.


My guess is #10 to the Sixers is the earliest he goes, and he doesn't drop below 16 (CHI) or 17 (BOS)

You really think he will go that early even with a minimum as far as I can tell two year commitment to Europe?


Yup. And it is 2 years for sure. He might even wait 3, because then he's no longer bound by the rookie scale.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:38:58 PM   
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At least it is another team making an offer. Hpoefully the competition will heat up

Bostons #6 #17 Sully/Olynik and 2 Broolyn #1's is an incredible offer. I can't believe even Flip could pass that up

We could be adding multiple studs for the next two years. Flip needs to hire a young coach and let him develop the players. As a GM it would be fun having those high picks for 3 years straight.



Yeah, I don't think the offers are near as good as are being portrayed in the media so far.

The way I heard the potential offer from Boston the Future picks were never designated as being Brooklyn picks but the rest of it is the way you wrote it. At this point it does seem like the best offer all around if it actually exists.


Brooklyn picks have always been a big part of the Celtics offer. Its just a matter of how many we can get.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:45:52 PM   
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At least it is another team making an offer. Hpoefully the competition will heat up

Bostons #6 #17 Sully/Olynik and 2 Broolyn #1's is an incredible offer. I can't believe even Flip could pass that up

We could be adding multiple studs for the next two years. Flip needs to hire a young coach and let him develop the players. As a GM it would be fun having those high picks for 3 years straight.



Yeah, I don't think the offers are near as good as are being portrayed in the media so far.

The way I heard the potential offer from Boston the Future picks were never designated as being Brooklyn picks but the rest of it is the way you wrote it. At this point it does seem like the best offer all around if it actually exists.


Brooklyn picks have always been a big part of the Celtics offer. Its just a matter of how many we can get.

I have always read future #1s but I never recall them specified as Brooklyn picks. I speculated that we would get the next two available Brooklyn picks. With Boston gaining Love and Brooklyn rapidly getting very old the Brooklyn picks certainly seem more enticing. Latest NBAdraft.net mock has the Wolves taking Stauskas and passing on McDermott. That one puzzles me.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:54:09 PM   
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Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.


Houston is supposedly leaning toward declining the option for next season and making him restricted. We could easily go the same route.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11029301/houston-rockets-decline-chandler-parsons-option
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:56:12 PM   
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I have always read future #1s but I never recall them specified as Brooklyn picks. I speculated that we would get the next two available Brooklyn picks. With Boston gaining Love and Brooklyn rapidly getting very old the Brooklyn picks certainly seem more enticing.


The 2016 Brooklyn #1 and the right to swap 1sts in 2017 are the prizes. They also have their 2018 pick.


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Latest NBAdraft.net mock has the Wolves taking Stauskas and passing on McDermott. That one puzzles me.


If I had to take either guy that's what I'd do.

McDermott is an incredible shooter, but he literally doesn't do anything else. And the frightening # of steals+blocks in his career is a really bad sign for future success.

Stauskas may not be the scorer that McD is, but he's got a pretty solid handle and passing skills.
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