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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:56:20 PM   
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Asik is a FA after this year as well, so he's due for a new contract.

And he has a weird deal this year. He has an 8M cap hit, but he actually gets paid 15M.

Taylor wouldn't touch that I bet.

Rockets out.

Rockets Morey said he has trades lined up for both Lin and Asik if needed down the line

probably just bluster.


Then just bring a third team into the trade to take Asik. I definitely think Houston can make a run for Love if they really want him.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:58:44 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 4:59:30 PM   
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Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.


Houston is supposedly leaning toward declining the option for next season and making him restricted. We could easily go the same route.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11029301/houston-rockets-decline-chandler-parsons-option


I don't know if that's better... He's another guy like Klay that is going to get overpaid, and based on everything I've heard, he really wouldn't want to be here.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:02:33 PM   
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Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.


Houston is supposedly leaning toward declining the option for next season and making him restricted. We could easily go the same route.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11029301/houston-rockets-decline-chandler-parsons-option


I don't know if that's better... He's another guy like Klay that is going to get overpaid, and based on everything I've heard, he really wouldn't want to be here.


True, but as with Klay, he wouldn't really have much choice. If he wants to get paid, it would have to be with us. And at least with Houston, we can actually get some other decent assets.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:02:36 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:04:14 PM   
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Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.


Houston is supposedly leaning toward declining the option for next season and making him restricted. We could easily go the same route.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11029301/houston-rockets-decline-chandler-parsons-option


I don't know if that's better... He's another guy like Klay that is going to get overpaid, and based on everything I've heard, he really wouldn't want to be here.


True, but as with Klay, he wouldn't really have much choice. If he wants to get paid, it would have to be with us. And at least with Houston, we can actually get some other decent assets.


Couldn't he still just sign the 1-year QO and become a UFA the next year anyways?

I just think the deal is a mess unless you plan to move Parsons and either Pek or Asik.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:04:57 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:07:40 PM   
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Parsons is fantastic, but he's going to get a ton of money - BUT he's also Unrestricted and supposedly wants to be in a major media market. We could easily lose him.


Houston is supposedly leaning toward declining the option for next season and making him restricted. We could easily go the same route.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11029301/houston-rockets-decline-chandler-parsons-option


I don't know if that's better... He's another guy like Klay that is going to get overpaid, and based on everything I've heard, he really wouldn't want to be here.


True, but as with Klay, he wouldn't really have much choice. If he wants to get paid, it would have to be with us. And at least with Houston, we can actually get some other decent assets.


Couldn't he still just sign the 1-year QO and become a UFA the next year anyways?

I just think the deal is a mess unless you plan to move Parsons and either Pek or Asik.


Yeah, but so could Klay, right? It's basically the same situation, and when's the last time someone actually went that route?

I would move Asik along to a third team for another asset.

I'd probably still choose the Boston trade, but Houston is definitely more intriguing to me than GS.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:09:25 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

isn't the idea that Taylor is gunshy to deal with Boston absolutely nothing more than weak speculation. I mean conjecture from no evidence or merely the slightest shred of evidence.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:12:34 PM   
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Yeah, but so could Klay, right? It's basically the same situation, and when's the last time someone actually went that route?




Yes, but I think the "Klay doesn't want to be here" thing is being overblown. It was never said he didn't want to come here - just that he didn't want to leave his teammates. If Klay comes here, becoming a UFA doesn't give him any way to get back to GS (short of accepting the MLE). Chandler wants to follow the spotlight - and he's not finding it here. And I don't think Parsons is good enough to deal with the headache (or the salary he's going to get).

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:18:55 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

isn't the idea that Taylor is gunshy to deal with Boston absolutely nothing more than weak speculation. I mean conjecture from no evidence or merely the slightest shred of evidence.

I believe it came from an inside source.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:32:13 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

isn't the idea that Taylor is gunshy to deal with Boston absolutely nothing more than weak speculation. I mean conjecture from no evidence or merely the slightest shred of evidence.

I believe it came from an inside source.

Got it the unnamed inside source. I have an inside source that says LeBron wants to come to the Wolves at the LLE or the veterans minimum. OK that inside source is actually me but I am very well connected. Just ask me.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:44:09 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.

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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:46:45 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

isn't the idea that Taylor is gunshy to deal with Boston absolutely nothing more than weak speculation. I mean conjecture from no evidence or merely the slightest shred of evidence.

I believe it came from an inside source.

Got it the unnamed inside source. I have an inside source that says LeBron wants to come to the Wolves at the LLE or the veterans minimum. OK that inside source is actually me but I am very well connected. Just ask me.

Isn't pretty much every inside source unnamed? That's not a good reason to doubt the validity of the source. The source might be wrong, whether deliberately or not, but in this case I'm inclined to believe the report. It sounds just like Taylor to me.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:48:14 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.

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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


The point of trading Martin is to gain financial flexibility. Martin's contract has three more years.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:58:13 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.



The reason people like Bass is he has only 1 year left at 7M. And his "crap" would still help our anemic bench. 11 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 APG, 1 BPG, .5 SPG in 28 minutes.

Bogans is a 5.3M contract that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for him, release him, you owe nothing and don't use up a roster spot.

Pressey, Johnson and Babb combine for almost 3M that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for them, release them, you owe nothing and no roster spots.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 5:59:10 PM   
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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....


You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.


I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

isn't the idea that Taylor is gunshy to deal with Boston absolutely nothing more than weak speculation. I mean conjecture from no evidence or merely the slightest shred of evidence.

I believe it came from an inside source.

Got it the unnamed inside source. I have an inside source that says LeBron wants to come to the Wolves at the LLE or the veterans minimum. OK that inside source is actually me but I am very well connected. Just ask me.

Isn't pretty much every inside source unnamed? That's not a good reason to doubt the validity of the source. The source might be wrong, whether deliberately or not, but in this case I'm inclined to believe the report. It sounds just like Taylor to me.

I was just having some fun with it Brad. Still I don't give much credence at all to unnamed inside sources ever. They could be legit but they could be no better than you or I claiming to have information. Without a name we really have nothing to go on.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:00:47 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.



The reason people like Bass is he has only 1 year left at 7M. And his "crap" would still help our anemic bench. 11 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 APG, 1 BPG, .5 SPG in 28 minutes.

Bogans is a 5.3M contract that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for him, release him, you owe nothing and don't use up a roster spot.

Pressey, Johnson and Babb combine for almost 3M that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for them, release them, you owe nothing and no roster spots.

isn't Pressey a decent prospect on a very small contract. I think if we got him we would like to keep him.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:07:49 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.



The reason people like Bass is he has only 1 year left at 7M. And his "crap" would still help our anemic bench. 11 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 APG, 1 BPG, .5 SPG in 28 minutes.

Bogans is a 5.3M contract that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for him, release him, you owe nothing and don't use up a roster spot.

Pressey, Johnson and Babb combine for almost 3M that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for them, release them, you owe nothing and no roster spots.

isn't Pressey a decent prospect on a very small contract. I think if we got him we would like to keep him.


Nope.

He was an undrafted rookie last year that doesn't really offer anything..

5'11 with shoes, 175 pounds. He's quick and he can pass, but he can't shoot at all (30/26/64) last year - and 39/34/75 in college. And he's horrible on defense.

Small contract, yes, but his roster spot is more valuable than he is.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:21:27 PM   
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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:25:16 PM   
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You can't trade Boston Martin and Love w/o getting some crap back....especially if they are giving us a bunch of 1sts.....

I know some like Bass but he is still crap.....I am sure they are trying to get 3rd teams involved.



The reason people like Bass is he has only 1 year left at 7M. And his "crap" would still help our anemic bench. 11 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 APG, 1 BPG, .5 SPG in 28 minutes.

Bogans is a 5.3M contract that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for him, release him, you owe nothing and don't use up a roster spot.

Pressey, Johnson and Babb combine for almost 3M that is fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date. Trade for them, release them, you owe nothing and no roster spots.

isn't Pressey a decent prospect on a very small contract. I think if we got him we would like to keep him.


Nope.

He was an undrafted rookie last year that doesn't really offer anything..

5'11 with shoes, 175 pounds. He's quick and he can pass, but he can't shoot at all (30/26/64) last year - and 39/34/75 in college. And he's horrible on defense.

Small contract, yes, but his roster spot is more valuable than he is.

I didn't see him play but when he was getting minutes last year I sort of remembered him putting up good numbers. I will trust your judgment.
Russ Smith would of course be a MUCH better use of that roster spot.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:28:38 PM   
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Would Kyle Anderson be a solid pick for the Wolves at #13?
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:31:13 PM   
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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...


I don't get the appeal of trying to poach all the players form the worst team in the league.

Sanders I get. If he gets back to what he was (physically and mentally), he's a stud on a decent contract. If he doesn't he's a long term anchor. But still worth the risk, IMO.

Knight and Henson are just rotational guys who are both coming up on their first extensions. They're the very definition of guys you love as rookies and then move before they outvalue themselves.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 6:33:24 PM   
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Would Kyle Anderson be a solid pick for the Wolves at #13?


I love Kyle Anderson and would be thrilled with the pick. He reminds me or Orlanda-era Hedo a lot.

That said, we better have a really good defense around him. Because he's a really skilled player, but he's almost a scary poor athlete.

I'll go on record and say that that Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams will both be better Pros than the more heralded UCLA wings: Shabazz and LaVine.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 8:09:34 PM   
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Why Trading Kevin Love to the Golden State Warriors is a Mistake
By Eric in Madison on Jun 24 2014, 5:12p

The Wolves and Warriors have been talking Kevin Love on and off for a month it seems like. Chad Ford said today that he thought the principals were agreed to, and the problem was ancillary pieces. It would be a bad move for the Wolves. Below I explain why.

Let me start by trying to make the best argument I can in favor of trading Kevin Love for David Lee and Klay Thompson:

Look, trading Kevin Love is nobody's idea of a good thing, but we are where we are. He wants out, bridges are on fire, and if we can get a good deal now we have to take it. David Lee and Klay Thompson is a good deal; certainly a better deal than one that involves the 6th pick in the draft as the centerpiece. Realistically, the chances of the 6th pick ever being as good a player as Klay Thompson aren't great.

Let's start with David Lee. Nobody is excited to pay David Lee $15M a year, but he isn't Rashard Lewis. He's a pretty good player getting paid too much for the next two seasons. That isn't the end of the world; he's a guy that is a net positive on the court and will fill the power forward spot reasonably while he's around. Consider that during the past two seasons he's posted WS/48 of .150 and .160 and he's never been below .110 in his career. He rebounds the ball well, shoots it efficiently (even though he isn't a three point shooter) and has double digit assist% every season.

He isn't known as a good defender, but then neither is Kevin Love. He isn't at Love's level, no, but he does a more than passable job of filling the PF spot for the next couple of years.

Klay Thompson is a terrific young player; one of the best shooting guards in the NBA at age 24 heading into next season. He's shown himself to be durable (1 game missed in three seasons), and he is one of the best volume three point shooters around. Given that the Wolves have had trouble with the three, and losing Love makes it worse, acquiring one of the best shooters in the league is a good thing.

Yes, I understand that the Wolves will likely have to max him out or come awfully close when he's an RFA next year, but having a young and talented back court locked up for 5 seasons (this year, then the 4 years of Thompson's new contract) is not a bad use of resources. The team will then be in position to figure out how to get better around Thompson and Ricky Rubio, and if it doesn't work, Thompson will likely be tradeable at any point during the deal.

How else are we going to get a young player with star potential that has already shown his capabilities? Answer: nowhere. Klay Thompson is the single best piece we can hope to get out of a Love trade,and that's why we should make the trade.

That is almost convincing. But it ultimately is the wrong way to look at it. One of the smartest guys on Canis said this the other day:

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You win in the NBA by having underpaid players. This mostly means rookies and stars worth more than a max contract, but sometimes applies to undervalued vets. It is becoming increasingly likely that the Wolves will enter the 15/16 season with (hopefully) Dieng as the only underpaid player on the roster. Absolutely awful.

-vjl110And this is at the heart of why it's not a good trade for the Wolves.


Let's start here: Klay Thompson is not a great player. He's...pretty good. None of the compiled advanced stats, whether they be box score based or play-by-play or plus-minus based sees him as a big star. He's good. He doesn't move the needle a ton.

He does one thing very well: shoot threes. He doesn't get to the rim, he doesn't get to the line, he isn't a great passer, he doesn't rebound particularly well for his position. Reports of his defense are mixed. Basically, he shoots it a lot and well from behind the arc. That's valuable, but well, the Wolves have a guy who does that and plays the same position. In a vacuum, would I rather have a 24 year old Thompson instead of a 31 year old Kevin Martin? Sure. I suspect his defense is better, and he's clearly more durable. I'm not sure, however. that on a per minute basis he's currently a lot better than Martin.

And of course, it isn't a vacuum. Thompson is cheaper for one more year, then will be radically more expensive. And of course, there's the little matter of losing Kevin Love to get him.

David Lee is going to be paid $30M over the next two season. I see no reason for the Wolves to be the team to pay him that amount.

To bring this around to vjl's quote above: if they make this trade, they are looking at going into the 2015-16 season owing over $50M to Pekovic, Rubio, Thompson and Lee. If I thought that was the core of a competitive playoff team (like, say, the current Golden State Warriors), I would be OK with that. But I don't. It seems much more likely that is the core of a team that will miss out on the playoffs over the next two seasons while tying up a massive amount of cap room on those four players, none of whom are good bets to be all-stars.

Now, Rubio and Pekovic's salaries are not the fault of the Warriors, but the circumstances are what they are. The Wolves are not in position to trade Love for expensive (or soon to be expensive) players who are actively worse than he is. That will simply make the team worse and more costly, and hence less flexible.

They don't give out trophies for having the best managed salary cap; I have no objection to money being spent on players. But to give up any flexibility over the next few seasons while relying on middling draft picks to get better is not a plan that I can endorse.

Love is hugely valuable precisely because the system requires him to be underpaid. Thompson is not going to be underpaid, he's likely to be overpaid. David Lee is currently overpaid. Two overpaid assets for one underpaid asset is not good dealing.

As vjl110 says, good teams are built on having underpaid players. Either good players on rookie deals, superstars who would get more than the max if there was a free market, or the occasional (cough Taj Gibson cough) veteran who has a below market deal. The Wolves currently have two of those guys making an impact: Love and Rubio. Rubio will price himself out of the category, and trading Love leaves us with none.

Under those circumstances, it's hard to see how a rebuild, quick or slow, would actually succeed.

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