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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 8:52:03 PM

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Nice use of the word poaching...the Bucks have some players we can use....Knight is starting to come into his own and Henson and Sanders could help if healthy.

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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

I don't get the appeal of trying to poach all the players form the worst team in the league.

Sanders I get. If he gets back to what he was (physically and mentally), he's a stud on a decent contract. If he doesn't he's a long term anchor. But still worth the risk, IMO.

Knight and Henson are just rotational guys who are both coming up on their first extensions. They're the very definition of guys you love as rookies and then move before they outvalue themselves.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/24/2014 9:02:06 PM

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Nice use of the word poaching...the Bucks have some players we can use....Knight is starting to come into his own and Henson and Sanders could help if healthy.

I don't have any interest in Knight or Henson. Decent players, but they're both going to be 5 or 6M/year guys and we need to seriously stop acquiring those.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 7:56:33 AM

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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

Boston isn't giving us 4 #1's and Olynk/Sullivan. They are willing to deal the 6 and 17 plus Olynk, and possibly one of the future #1s. The Wolves should counter with Sullivan and at least one of the future picks to sweeten the deal, but the Wolves, for whatever reason, aren't interested in a trade with Boston. Which is annoying and dumb. It's probably because Flip doesn't want to admit to having to rebuild, but I have now heard the "Taylor is gunshy about dealing with Boston" from a couple places.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 7:59:30 AM

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Nice use of the word poaching...the Bucks have some players we can use....Knight is starting to come into his own and Henson and Sanders could help if healthy.

I don't have any interest in Knight or Henson. Decent players, but they're both going to be 5 or 6M/year guys and we need to seriously stop acquiring those.

Same here, plus they want mid first round picks for each of them, seperately. No thanks.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:26:58 AM

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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

Boston isn't giving us 4 #1's and Olynk/Sullivan. They are willing to deal the 6 and 17 plus Olynk, and possibly one of the future #1s. The Wolves should counter with Sullivan and at least one of the future picks to sweeten the deal, but the Wolves, for whatever reason, aren't interested in a trade with Boston. Which is annoying and dumb. It's probably because Flip doesn't want to admit to having to rebuild, but I have now heard the "Taylor is gunshy about dealing with Boston" from a couple places.

Cleveland has a better offers for the number 1 then Boston. Until Flip calls Taylor and says that we should take deal x, the rest is just speculation. Its Flips job to put the trade together, not Glen's.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:00:10 AM

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Cleveland has a better offers for the number 1 then Boston.

What does this mean?

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:01:38 AM

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Here is why I like Henson and Knight.

Knight: Has improved in 3 years. Sometimes he was unstoppable, Westbrook lite-like. Very good defensively (You start him at the 2 and Rubio at the 1). I know they are interested in Gary Harris....Knight is Gary Harris fast forward 3 years. Still only 23.

Henson: Has improved over 2 years. I would push for him if we trade Love. Only 23. Another good defensive player.

Gary Harris somewhat compares to Knight in the draft. Drafting Harris, Payne, etc. is rebuilding. If you keep Love your are dangerous this year...

Rubio
Knight\Bud
Martin\Brewer
Love\Shabazz
Pek\Dieng

I do know that if they trade Love to Boston--odds are we are drafting probably Harris or Smart with one of the picks so Knight won't happen.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:34:31 AM

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If Boston is offering 4 #1 picks you take it and run. The only reason the Wolves wouldn't take it is because Flip's ego needs to prove he can win right away and/or Glenn Taylor being anti Boston after the KG trade. Both are pathetic reasons and will ultimately hurt the Wolves for the next decade if they turn down 4 #1 picks for a guy that isn't even at a Lebron/Durant level.

I have a difficult time believing the Celtics are really offering that much. Some of those Nets picks could be ultra sweet because they could suck big time in the next year or two.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:41:52 AM

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Every metric out there paints Knight and Henson as brutal defenders.

I know the Bucks are bad, but you'd think if their 2nd and 4th in minutes played guys were any good on defense, they wouldn't be the worst defense in the league.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:10:23 AM

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If Boston is offering 4 #1 picks you take it and run. The only reason the Wolves wouldn't take it is because Flip's ego needs to prove he can win right away and/or Glenn Taylor being anti Boston after the KG trade. Both are pathetic reasons and will ultimately hurt the Wolves for the next decade if they turn down 4 #1 picks for a guy that isn't even at a Lebron/Durant level.

I have a difficult time believing the Celtics are really offering that much. Some of those Nets picks could be ultra sweet because they could suck big time in the next year or two.

They aren't. The starting offer from them was #6 and #17 this year, and Olynyk. The assumption is that they could be talked into giving up Sullivan instead of Olynyk, and possibly one or both of the future #1s in place of one or both of this years. So something like 6 and 17 this year, plus Sullivan. Or #6, Sullivan and a future #1. Or 17, Olynyk, and both future #1's as a best case scenario.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:11:24 AM

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Cleveland has a better offers for the number 1 then Boston.

What does this mean?

The story about the alleged offer for the number 1 pick is gone. That's the way it goes in the rumor mill.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:12:23 AM

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Cleveland has a better offers for the number 1 then Boston.

What does this mean?

The story about the alleged offer for the number 1 pick is gone. That's the way it goes in the rumor mill.

Boston was trying to get the #1 pick from Cleveland?

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:22:50 AM

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From Fox Sports: Teams have also been trying to lure the pick from Cleveland. ESPN reports that the Philadelphia 76ers have offered forward Thaddeus Young and the No. 3 pick, the Utah Jazz have packaged forward Derrick Favors and the No. 5 pick and the Orlando Magic have dangled guard Arron Afflalo and the Nos. 4 and 12 picks. But none of these options have intrigued the Cavaliers enough for them to pull the trigger, according to the report. Boston was in the story for the number 1 pick, but that appears to have been removed.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:40:37 AM

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Knight didn't play much to start the season because they also signed OJ May and didn't know what they have in Knight, look at his splits---particularly the 1st and last months---the kid is on the rise. He was asked to defend the top guard most nights and still put up good stats, the Pistons said he was their best wing defender before they traded him.

Knight is a star on the rise---mark it down.

Basically OJ Mayo was benched after a month due to his play....but believe what you will.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:43:26 AM

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Knight didn't play much to start the season, look at his splits---particularly the 1st and last months (Because they also signed OJ May)---the kid is on the rise. He was asked to defend the top guard most nights and still put up good stats, the Pistons said he was their best wing defender before they traded him. Basically OJ Mayo was benched after a month due to his play....but believe what you will.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

He's a good offensive player. He's just really bad at defense. Not Kevin Martin bad, but well below average.

Everyone beats out Mayo...he's just not good.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 11:58:04 AM

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Knight didn't play much to start the season, look at his splits---particularly the 1st and last months (Because they also signed OJ May)---the kid is on the rise. He was asked to defend the top guard most nights and still put up good stats, the Pistons said he was their best wing defender before they traded him. Basically OJ Mayo was benched after a month due to his play....but believe what you will.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

He's a good offensive player. He's just really bad at defense. Not Kevin Martin bad, but well below average.

Everyone beats out Mayo...he's just not good.

Flip wanted Mayo, until the demands on the contract got too high. Yuck!

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 12:08:40 PM

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Everything I have read show me he is a good defender....Ridnour, Neal, etc. plus two rookies (Alphabet and Middleton) that have trouble playing wing defense. Both the Bucks and Pistons have said Knight is good on defense.

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Knight didn't play much to start the season, look at his splits---particularly the 1st and last months (Because they also signed OJ May)---the kid is on the rise. He was asked to defend the top guard most nights and still put up good stats, the Pistons said he was their best wing defender before they traded him. Basically OJ Mayo was benched after a month due to his play....but believe what you will.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6448/brandon-knight

He's a good offensive player. He's just really bad at defense. Not Kevin Martin bad, but well below average.

Everyone beats out Mayo...he's just not good.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 12:49:40 PM

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Everything I have read show me he is a good defender....Ridnour, Neal, etc. plus two rookies (Alphabet and Middleton) that have trouble playing wing defense. Both the Bucks and Pistons have said Knight is good on defense.

All I can do is go by the numbers. His counterpart puts up great numbers, his team gives up fewer points with him on the bench, and all the various adjusted +/- numbers (the ones that take into account who you are playing with and against) paint him as a very poor defender.

The only guys that showed up on defense for Milwaukee last year were Sanders (in a big way), Udoh, and surprisingly Wolters.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 1:50:15 PM

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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

If Taylor is gun shy to deal with boston due to the KG swap he needs to grow a pair. This offer is incredible and way more than we got for KG.

Grampa Glen and Flip need to just get out of their own way. Instead 3-4 years from now it will be the same old fringe team and they will wish they had taken this offer.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 2:03:23 PM

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If Boston is giving us 4 # 1's taking Martin and Love and giving us $20 Million in cap space plus Olynk/Sullivan that would be a good trade for both teams. I don't see them giving us all those picks and $20 Million in cap space though. If it happened I would be more than happy because they can trade for a Knight/Henson/Sanders and still sign another player...

I forgot to mention, I don't think this is anywhere close to the offer.

First, we're not getting close to 20M in capspace. They aren't giving us ALL their non-guaranteed contracts AND using the TPE. If we trade them only Love, we likely only have to take back Bass. If we trade Love and Martin, we're likely getting Green too.

And I doubt 4 #1s are on the table.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 2:07:23 PM

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I'd like to see us move our 3 2nd round picks and move up into the 1st round to get Glenn Robinson III. I still think he has potential, but I wouldn't take him at #13.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 2:14:11 PM

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I'd like to see us move our 3 2nd round picks and move up into the 1st round to get Glenn Robinson III. I still think he has potential, but I wouldn't take him at #13.

If we're doing that I really want Spencer Dinwiddie. Robinson being unable to shoot scares me.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 2:21:07 PM

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Actually the more I look at Dinwiddie, if his knee checks out, I really want him.

Ideal SG size that can drive, shoot and pass:

Attempted four 3s a game and hit them at 41%
Got to the line 7 times a game and hit his FTs at 86%
And he added 4 assists per game.
And 1,5 steals for good measure.

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He looked good in the 17 games that he did play, averaging a cool 16.6 points and 4.6 assists against the likes of #6 Kansas, #7 Oklahoma State, #10 Oregon, #25 Baylor, and Harvard, while doing well in a match up with likely top-10 pick Marcus Smart.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 2:47:48 PM

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The biggest holdup with the Boston trade is that Flip wants to trade JJ or Martin with Love....

You sure about that? Because Boston could easily add either guy in. They have the contracts to do it - and could even send us ~10M in waivable non-guaranteed players.

Sounds to me that the hold-up is Flip wants players and not draft picks - which is why the DEN, GS or HOU trades are so scary.

I've also heard that Taylor doesn't want to deal with Boston again in light of how poorly the KG trade turned out.

At any rate, I don't think there's a good, legitimate reason for not dealing with Boston, assuming the C's are interested and willing to give us a decent return.

If I was big time CEO like Uncle Glen, I would LOVE to trade LOVE to Boston--prove to all us Minnesotans that we can fleece Boston just once in our lifetime! We are due to release the Ortiz/Garnett bad karma around this STATE once and for all

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 3:27:09 PM

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NBA draft rumor: Multiple league sources believe that Zach LaVine has a promise from the Minnesota Timberwolves at No. 13.

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