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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:11:26 PM   
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OK Matt go on record. Do you want us to totally suck next year to get the highest pick possible and will you be happier when we lose games rather than win? That is how this comment sounds to me. I just want an official statement.


Sure, though of course it depends on definitions. "Do you want us to totally suck next year..." -- a young team could play hard but still lose a lot of games. That's not "totally suck" in the same way as a team built around overpaid, average players winning 40 games a year is, in that the former is building for the future while the latter is going nowhere and is basically prolonging the time of purgatory before rebooting with a young team with lots of draft picks. The best way to actually improve is to get a high-quality player in the draft. The more high draft picks, the better the odds for getting that player. Though on the other hand, the Simmons column I posted above shows that after the #1 pick, the draft is really a crapshoot: http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft-crapshoot-repick-1995/

Still the basic answer is that winning only 20 games but playing hard and playing well with talented players building for the future and getting another high draft pick next June is much less "totally suck" than winning 40 games but going nowhere. And so I prefer the former.

That is one of the most copout answer to a question I have ever heard Matt. When we play next year and you are watching the game. Do you hope we win it or lose it. Simple yes or no will suffice.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:15:25 PM   
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:19:40 PM   
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Dammit Matt! Answer Eldon the way he wants you to!

No way Matt. Keep giving long copout answers until you drive Eldon nuts. That'll be way more fun!
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:21:41 PM   
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Which brings me to a bigger point: You know how you make an NBA general manager miserable? Stick him in a loaded lottery. It’s one thing to play the guessing game with Otto Porter, Alex Len, Ben McLemore and a one-legged Nerlens Noel; none of those guys will haunt you. But if you’re picking between Wiggins, Parker, Embiid and Exum, or you have your choice of Vonleh, Smart, Gordon and Randle? Now that’s a nightmare.

Someone Who Knows Things told me that multiple teams are shopping 2014 lottery picks for the same reason that Minnesota’s Flip Saunders doesn’t want a top-eight lottery pick for Kevin Love. Basically, they’re a little scared to make the pick.



Flip's probably still having nightmares about getting "cornered" into picking Shabazz last year.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 8:32:41 PM   
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Dammit Matt! Answer Eldon the way he wants you to!

No way Matt. Keep giving long copout answers until you drive Eldon nuts. That'll be way more fun!

I asked him a very simple question.
The question had nothing to do with how hard they played. How old or young. How over or under paid the team was. The question was just about when they play next year will you want them to win the games or lose the games.


If a team truly wants to lose every game they can accomplish that. I see no honor in it.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:01:51 PM   
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OK Matt go on record. Do you want us to totally suck next year to get the highest pick possible and will you be happier when we lose games rather than win? That is how this comment sounds to me. I just want an official statement.


Sure, though of course it depends on definitions. "Do you want us to totally suck next year..." -- a young team could play hard but still lose a lot of games. That's not "totally suck" in the same way as a team built around overpaid, average players winning 40 games a year is, in that the former is building for the future while the latter is going nowhere and is basically prolonging the time of purgatory before rebooting with a young team with lots of draft picks. The best way to actually improve is to get a high-quality player in the draft. The more high draft picks, the better the odds for getting that player. Though on the other hand, the Simmons column I posted above shows that after the #1 pick, the draft is really a crapshoot: http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft-crapshoot-repick-1995/

Still the basic answer is that winning only 20 games but playing hard and playing well with talented players building for the future and getting another high draft pick next June is much less "totally suck" than winning 40 games but going nowhere. And so I prefer the former.

That is one of the most copout answer to a question I have ever heard Matt. When we play next year and you are watching the game. Do you hope we win it or lose it. Simple yes or no will suffice.


Yes. No.

It depends on who is on the team and what the season's objective is.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:03:38 PM   
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Which brings me to a bigger point: You know how you make an NBA general manager miserable? Stick him in a loaded lottery. It’s one thing to play the guessing game with Otto Porter, Alex Len, Ben McLemore and a one-legged Nerlens Noel; none of those guys will haunt you. But if you’re picking between Wiggins, Parker, Embiid and Exum, or you have your choice of Vonleh, Smart, Gordon and Randle? Now that’s a nightmare.

Someone Who Knows Things told me that multiple teams are shopping 2014 lottery picks for the same reason that Minnesota’s Flip Saunders doesn’t want a top-eight lottery pick for Kevin Love. Basically, they’re a little scared to make the pick.



Flip's probably still having nightmares about getting "cornered" into picking Shabazz last year.

I don't know how Flip got cornered into picking Shabazz. Either he wanted him or he did not. Do your homework Flip.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:27:50 PM   
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OK Matt go on record. Do you want us to totally suck next year to get the highest pick possible and will you be happier when we lose games rather than win? That is how this comment sounds to me. I just want an official statement.


Sure, though of course it depends on definitions. "Do you want us to totally suck next year..." -- a young team could play hard but still lose a lot of games. That's not "totally suck" in the same way as a team built around overpaid, average players winning 40 games a year is, in that the former is building for the future while the latter is going nowhere and is basically prolonging the time of purgatory before rebooting with a young team with lots of draft picks. The best way to actually improve is to get a high-quality player in the draft. The more high draft picks, the better the odds for getting that player. Though on the other hand, the Simmons column I posted above shows that after the #1 pick, the draft is really a crapshoot: http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft-crapshoot-repick-1995/

Still the basic answer is that winning only 20 games but playing hard and playing well with talented players building for the future and getting another high draft pick next June is much less "totally suck" than winning 40 games but going nowhere. And so I prefer the former.

That is one of the most copout answer to a question I have ever heard Matt. When we play next year and you are watching the game. Do you hope we win it or lose it. Simple yes or no will suffice.


Yes. No.

It depends on who is on the team and what the season's objective is.

So who is on the team will affect whether you want our team, The Minnesota Timberwolves, to win or lose.
As for objective I sure hope our objective is to win the NBA championship. I sure hope it isn't to get as many ping pong balls as possible if those are still being used.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 6/25/2014 9:31:37 PM >
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:44:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I admit I haven't paid a lot of attention to everything going on this year but seems to me if we are going to trade Love we should be looking at the Suns and getting our pick and more back. Long term that might be the best. I totally hope we suck super bad this year. And we should trade pek and Rubio as well for future picks. worst team in the league is the goal. With what we have, what we can attract and where we will be with Love gone the facts are we will be rebuilding. Then lets rebuild and not screw the team by pretending to win enough games to put us in a 37 year rebuilding project. If we can get well below the cap and get 4-5 very good young players then maybe we can attract some better players. Right now we are treading water and I for one would much rather suck because your chances of getting better are far greater if your really sucky than really average.

So yeah I hope we trade away assets start over and are the worst team in the league not just next year but for the next 3 years. I can at least get excited about that. Right now I see 1 step forward 3 steps back with veteran players not seriously a playoff threat. That's as bad as it gets for a fan.

Making the right picks with the draft picks is another subject but we finally hit with Garnett once I'd like to think we will trip into something again maybe by accident.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:52:36 PM   
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Its Top 12 protected the next 2 years and then it just turns into 2 2nd round picks.

Odds are we won't be losing a 1st.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 9:58:23 PM   
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On the Golden State-Minnesota front, myself & USAT’s @JeffZillgitt both told that talks re: Kevin Love were never off & continue still.

Jeff Zillgitt ✔ @JeffZillgitt
As @sam_amick reported a couple of days ago and remains true today, Klay Thompson is adamant about max deal.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:14:14 PM   
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So the Rockets...
1) used a CBA loophole to snatch Asik from The Bulls.
2) ended up with a top flight underpaid starting center
3) and flip that player for a future first when he needs to be paid

Meanwhile the Wolves are rumored to be debating trading Kevin Love for a package that features a young Danny Green clone who wants a max contract and or drafting either an old stretch 4 with lung issues or a paperweight 2 guard prospect that can't take contact or defend…


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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:26:02 PM   
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:31:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Warriors trade is inevitable. And awful for the Wolves. I feel for you guys.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:53:18 PM   
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/25/2014 10:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reminds me of the day when we fought over who had more value...Bynum or Love.

If Klay is all we can get so be it although I would rather keep Love, get some help this year, make a hell of a run, and then part ways happily. That may mean trading away Pek....

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The Warriors trade is inevitable. And awful for the Wolves. I feel for you guys.


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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 5:15:08 AM   
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The Warriors trade is inevitable. And awful for the Wolves. I feel for you guys.


I agree that it would be horrible, but I get much more of a sense that GS has genuinely cooled on the prospect. And I don't think it's just posturing. It sounds like while they would like to add Love, they see Klay as the ideal back court partner for Curry.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 6:47:51 AM   
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 8:00:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rumored that Dallas is trying to trade Felton for JJ. Is Felton much of an upgrade and are the Mavs looking to keep or cut JJ?
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 8:05:30 AM   
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Rumored that Dallas is trying to trade Felton for JJ. Is Felton much of an upgrade and are the Mavs looking to keep or cut JJ?


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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 8:35:01 AM   
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The Warriors trade is inevitable. And awful for the Wolves. I feel for you guys.


I agree that it would be horrible, but I get much more of a sense that GS has genuinely cooled on the prospect. And I don't think it's just posturing. It sounds like while they would like to add Love, they see Klay as the ideal back court partner for Curry.


I sure hope so. Anyone in favor of that trade obviously wants the Wolves to be mediocre for two years, and then be the worst team in the league for a number of years. Who could ppssibly want that? That's a very simple question, btw.

Seriously, it's like Golden State is out dumbing David Kahn. You have a chance to get one of the top 5 players in the league, a guy with a skill set that made the rest of the Wolves rejects into one of the best offenses in the league when he's on the floor, and who works harder than anyone on the defensive end to get rebounds, and who is even a better defender than your current overpaid, overaged forward... and you're going to pass becuase you've convinced yourself that Klay Thompson is more valuable than that? Whoever that guy in Golden State is, we should thank him for not dooming our club, and wish him well because in two years he'll be out of a job.

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 8:37:06 AM   
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Rockets almost willing to give away better players than Warriors are offering in Trade....maybe we trade with the Rockets instead?

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 9:48:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Giannis Antetokounmpo has a brother in the draft this year....6'7" 210 pounds. Maybe a 2nd round flyer..

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/draft/2014/06/25/thanasis-antetokounmpo-intriguing-prospect-humility-work-ethic/11367057/

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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 10:44:41 AM   
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233915/Warriors-Interested-In-Parsons-Deal-If-Rockets-Need-Help-Unloading-Lin

Rockets almost willing to give away better players than Warriors are offering in Trade....maybe we trade with the Rockets instead?


Its all about cap management and LeBron.

Parsons is going to be another guy who wants (and likely gets) Max or near Max money, so HOU will likely try to move him.

But this deal is all about dumping Lin's contract and clearing enough space to add LeBron to Howard and Harden.
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RE: Wolves talk and rumors 2014 - 6/26/2014 10:47:07 AM   
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Rumored that Dallas is trying to trade Felton for JJ. Is Felton much of an upgrade and are the Mavs looking to keep or cut JJ?


Makes no sense for us. Felton makes less this year (3.7M), but he has a player option next year for 3.9M that he likely is going to take.

And he stinks. He put up overblown numbers when he played for D'Antoni, but every PG does that.
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