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RE: Twins off-season - 1/23/2025 6:09:42 PM   
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Cease led the AL in WAR in 2022.

So what?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/23/2025 6:19:03 PM   
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Twins are considering a trade of EmmRod, Christian Vazquez and cash to the Padres for Dylan Cease.


That is very close. Way better than Paddock, Vazquez, Zebby, and Keschall that I saw at one time....

No way would I give up Rodriguez for a one year rental.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/23/2025 6:23:00 PM   
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Cease led the AL in WAR in 2022.


And led the league in walks.

That said there is something to be said for a guy that you can comfortably pencil in for 32 starts - even if he rarely makes it through the 6th inning.
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RE: Twins off-season - 1/23/2025 7:33:50 PM   
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Cease led the AL in WAR in 2022.

So what?

It was really important in 22 and 23. Lol

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/24/2025 8:18:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Twins are considering a trade of EmmRod, Christian Vazquez and cash to the Padres for Dylan Cease.


That is very close. Way better than Paddock, Vazquez, Zebby, and Keschall that I saw at one time....

No way would I give up Rodriguez for a one year rental.

I don't want to give up Rodriguez either but.

1. Walker Jenkins is going to render Rodriguez obsolete
2. New ownership may very well try to keep Cease, unlike the current ownership. So it wouldn't necessarily be a rental.

The rotation would be pretty damn good with Cease, Lopez, Ober, Ryan as your top four and Woods-Richardson, Matthews and Fest to compete for the 5.

We aren't making this trade without giving up something valuable. We have way too many left handed hitting outfielders, a manager that doesn't like letting left handers hit against left handers.

If the cost is an overpriced underwhelming Catcher, One good albeit replaceable (with Jenkins) AAA outfielder and some cash...I can live with that.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/24/2025 8:21:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Twins are considering a trade of EmmRod, Christian Vazquez and cash to the Padres for Dylan Cease.


That is very close. Way better than Paddock, Vazquez, Zebby, and Keschall that I saw at one time....

No way would I give up Rodriguez for a one year rental.

I don't want to give up Rodriguez either but.

1. Walker Jenkins is going to render Rodriguez obsolete
2. New ownership may very well try to keep Cease, unlike the current ownership. So it wouldn't necessarily be a rental.

The rotation would be pretty damn good with Cease, Lopez, Ober, Ryan as your top four and Woods-Richardson, Matthews and Fest to compete for the 5.

We aren't making this trade without giving up something valuable. We have way too many left handed hitting outfielders, a manager that doesn't like letting left handers hit against left handers.

If the cost is an overpriced underwhelming Catcher, One good albeit replaceable (with Jenkins) AAA outfielder and some cash...I can live with that.


They also say there are 3-4 pitchers in AAA ready to help the Twins in 2025: Connor Prielipp, Andrew Morris, Marco Raya, and Cory Lewis.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/24/2025 8:37:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Twins are considering a trade of EmmRod, Christian Vazquez and cash to the Padres for Dylan Cease.


That is very close. Way better than Paddock, Vazquez, Zebby, and Keschall that I saw at one time....

No way would I give up Rodriguez for a one year rental.

I don't want to give up Rodriguez either but.

1. Walker Jenkins is going to render Rodriguez obsolete
2. New ownership may very well try to keep Cease, unlike the current ownership. So it wouldn't necessarily be a rental.

The rotation would be pretty damn good with Cease, Lopez, Ober, Ryan as your top four and Woods-Richardson, Matthews and Fest to compete for the 5.

We aren't making this trade without giving up something valuable. We have way too many left handed hitting outfielders, a manager that doesn't like letting left handers hit against left handers.

If the cost is an overpriced underwhelming Catcher, One good albeit replaceable (with Jenkins) AAA outfielder and some cash...I can live with that.

1. Walker Jenkins will not render Rodriguez obsolete. The Twins currently have 3/4 of one bankable OF star. They need a lot more than just Jenkins out there.

2. We have no idea who the new owners will be, let alone how much they will spend to try to keep Cease.

3. Cease is set to be FA for the first time after the season. His not going to pass that up and the bidding war will be fierce.

I get that to get value you have to give up value. What I'm not willing to do is give up our #2 prospect for a one year rental.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/24/2025 3:43:05 PM   
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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2025 4:53:33 PM   
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Corey Koskie is going into the Twins HOF. He still has the only 25-25 (HR-SB) season in Twins history.

Skor North was Talking Twins. Guess which former Twin with 4 WS titles was about 2 good seasons away from being considered HOF material? He retired fairly early from baseball.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2025 9:59:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Twins are considering a trade of EmmRod, Christian Vazquez and cash to the Padres for Dylan Cease.


That is very close. Way better than Paddock, Vazquez, Zebby, and Keschall that I saw at one time....

No way would I give up Rodriguez for a one year rental.

I don't want to give up Rodriguez either but.

1. Walker Jenkins is going to render Rodriguez obsolete
2. New ownership may very well try to keep Cease, unlike the current ownership. So it wouldn't necessarily be a rental.

The rotation would be pretty damn good with Cease, Lopez, Ober, Ryan as your top four and Woods-Richardson, Matthews and Fest to compete for the 5.

We aren't making this trade without giving up something valuable. We have way too many left handed hitting outfielders, a manager that doesn't like letting left handers hit against left handers.

If the cost is an overpriced underwhelming Catcher, One good albeit replaceable (with Jenkins) AAA outfielder and some cash...I can live with that.


They also say there are 3-4 pitchers in AAA ready to help the Twins in 2025: Connor Prielipp, Andrew Morris, Marco Raya, and Cory Lewis.


I'd rather trade Julien (useless) and one of those four pitchers for Cease. Keep the young hitters (Rodriguez, Jenkins, Keaschall). You add Cease and two quality arms for the pen and this Twins team is pretty good (if the hitters stay healthy).
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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2025 1:31:22 PM   
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Corey Koskie is going into the Twins HOF. He still has the only 25-25 (HR-SB) season in Twins history.

Skor North was Talking Twins. Guess which former Twin with 4 WS titles was about 2 good seasons away from being considered HOF material? He retired fairly early from baseball.

Chuck Knoblauch?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2025 4:02:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Corey Koskie is going into the Twins HOF. He still has the only 25-25 (HR-SB) season in Twins history.

Skor North was Talking Twins. Guess which former Twin with 4 WS titles was about 2 good seasons away from being considered HOF material? He retired fairly early from baseball.

Chuck Knoblauch?

Yep

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