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Hard not to think Kaep isn't an idiot. Opting out of his final 12ml season only to find out no one even wanted him?

His hair dew says it all

Giving up his career for something he believes in is a bad joke. His career was over because he isn't a good football player and is a toxic locker room presence.

This is as bad as KG's posts...

Truth hurts

No, bullshit smells. There are much less talented QB than Kaep with jobs in the NFL. They keep getting work over Kaep because he caused trouble for the NFL.

He's not the 1st and won't be the last talented professional sports player who doesn't have a job because they are not good for a locker room. Coaches want one thing. Everyone on the same page trying to win games. A hundred reporters asking players about non-sports related stuff hurts the team chemistry and attention to detail.

His issue wasn't in the locker room. Players from all over the league have rallied around him. The issue is with the NFL and their all American pristine image.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Hard not to think Kaep isn't an idiot. Opting out of his final 12ml season only to find out no one even wanted him?

His hair dew says it all

Giving up his career for something he believes in is a bad joke. His career was over because he isn't a good football player and is a toxic locker room presence.

This is as bad as KG's posts...

Truth hurts

No, bullshit smells. There are much less talented QB than Kaep with jobs in the NFL. They keep getting work over Kaep because he caused trouble for the NFL.

He's not the 1st and won't be the last talented professional sports player who doesn't have a job because they are not good for a locker room. Coaches want one thing. Everyone on the same page trying to win games. A hundred reporters asking players about non-sports related stuff hurts the team chemistry and attention to detail.

His issue wasn't in the locker room. Players from all over the league have rallied around him. The issue is with the NFL and their all American pristine image.

NFL ratings are down.

If you owned a business and employees were doing things to negatively affect your bottom line, would you tell them not to do those things?

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The 2017 drop in viewership is attributable to a myriad of reasons, though TV executives pin overexposure to NFL programming as the key driver.

TV executives argue that the league's push to maximize reach — by increasing the number of Thursday Night Football games and Sunday morning games played in London, for example — has hurt appeal and devalued the sports programming. CBS Sports Chairman Sean McManus said the additional games "diluted the Sunday afternoon packages and affected the ratings," per The Wall Street Journal.

More broadly speaking, shifting consumer viewing preferences have played a role in diminishing NFL audiences. A sizable portion of consumers aren't interested in watching sports programming — 48% of respondents indicated access to sports was not important to a pay-TV subscription, according to an RBC study cited by Variety. Moreover, over 1 million consumers cut the cord in the first three quarters of 2017 alone, which, in turn, likely affected the viewership of live sports and the NFL.

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Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

He did.

But the original point I was making is that he didn't give up "everything" like the commercial says. Do it your rookie year and then you gave up "everything".

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Hard not to think Kaep isn't an idiot. Opting out of his final 12ml season only to find out no one even wanted him?

His hair dew says it all

Giving up his career for something he believes in is a bad joke. His career was over because he isn't a good football player and is a toxic locker room presence.

This is as bad as KG's posts...

Truth hurts

No, bullshit smells. There are much less talented QB than Kaep with jobs in the NFL. They keep getting work over Kaep because he caused trouble for the NFL.

He's not the 1st and won't be the last talented professional sports player who doesn't have a job because they are not good for a locker room. Coaches want one thing. Everyone on the same page trying to win games. A hundred reporters asking players about non-sports related stuff hurts the team chemistry and attention to detail.

His issue wasn't in the locker room. Players from all over the league have rallied around him. The issue is with the NFL and their all American pristine image.

NFL ratings are down.

If you owned a business and employees were doing things to negatively affect your bottom line, would you tell them not to do those things?

That's on Trump, not Kaepernick.

But that's only a very small reason why ratings are down:

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The 2017 drop in viewership is attributable to a myriad of reasons, though TV executives pin overexposure to NFL programming as the key driver.

TV executives argue that the league's push to maximize reach — by increasing the number of Thursday Night Football games and Sunday morning games played in London, for example — has hurt appeal and devalued the sports programming. CBS Sports Chairman Sean McManus said the additional games "diluted the Sunday afternoon packages and affected the ratings," per The Wall Street Journal.

More broadly speaking, shifting consumer viewing preferences have played a role in diminishing NFL audiences. A sizable portion of consumers aren't interested in watching sports programming — 48% of respondents indicated access to sports was not important to a pay-TV subscription, according to an RBC study cited by Variety. Moreover, over 1 million consumers cut the cord in the first three quarters of 2017 alone, which, in turn, likely affected the viewership of live sports and the NFL.

But even with all that, 33 of the 50 most watched programs in all of 2017 were NFL games.

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

False premise.

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

False premise.

How so?

If I did the equivalent, there would be consequences.

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And again, the irony is an expensive ad campaign....how is that losing everything?

Look - I appreciate the guy's desire here and think it is very noble. I am just not surprised there were ramifications and expected that. He and the NFL should have had a pow-wow and come up with a powerful campaign together to go after this issue. IMHO, the big cowards are the NFL.

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Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

He did.

But the original point I was making is that he didn't give up "everything" like the commercial says. Do it your rookie year and then you gave up "everything".

You're being ridiculous here Mark. How could he lose everything if he never had anything? Yes, he had already made some money. He was also in his prime years and lost a boat load of future earnings. He had a high profile career and was earning a lot of money and that's all gone because he chose to make a stand. I'm not sure what's not registering for you here.

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

False premise.

How so?

If I did the equivalent, there would be consequences.

He's not in peoples' faces and you could easily do something like wear a MAGA hat and you would suffer no consequences from your employer. You're framing the debate in a 'rich, entitled guy vs. Everyday Joes' setting.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

He did.

But the original point I was making is that he didn't give up "everything" like the commercial says. Do it your rookie year and then you gave up "everything".

You're being ridiculous here Mark. How could he lose everything if he never had anything? Yes, he had already made some money. He was also in his prime years and lost a boat load of future earnings. He had a high profile career and was earning a lot of money and that's all gone because he chose to make a stand. I'm not sure what's not registering for you here.

$43 million is more than "some money".

If Saquon Barkley started kneeling and couldn't get a job, that would be giving up "everything".

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

False premise.

How so?

If I did the equivalent, there would be consequences.

He's not in peoples' faces and you could easily do something like wear a MAGA hat and you would suffer no consequences from your employer. You're framing the debate in a 'rich, entitled guy vs. Everyday Joes' setting.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

He did.

But the original point I was making is that he didn't give up "everything" like the commercial says. Do it your rookie year and then you gave up "everything".

You're being ridiculous here Mark. How could he lose everything if he never had anything? Yes, he had already made some money. He was also in his prime years and lost a boat load of future earnings. He had a high profile career and was earning a lot of money and that's all gone because he chose to make a stand. I'm not sure what's not registering for you here.

$43 million is more than "some money".

If Saquon Barkley started kneeling and couldn't get a job, that would be giving up "everything".

How much he made is irrelevant. He was in his money making prime and was cut out of it. No matter how much he made, he stood to make a lot more. Barkley already has guaranteed money in his contract. So by your logic he hasn't lost "everything" either.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

NFL ratings are down because they were at a false high for a short time, CTE, the NFL is slowly ruining the product and they are diluting it (Thursday night football is too much).

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And again, the irony is an expensive ad campaign....how is that losing everything?

Look - I appreciate the guy's desire here and think it is very noble. I am just not surprised there were ramifications and expected that. He and the NFL should have had a pow-wow and come up with a powerful campaign together to go after this issue. IMHO, the big cowards are the NFL.

That argument might have merit if Kaepernick had a crystal ball and new that a couple of years later Nike would make him the center of an ad campaign. What he DID know, was that he pissing off the powers that be in the NFL. He assumed the risk without knowledge of a payoff down the road.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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Nike is paying Kaepernick, therefore it has not cost him everything.

I think the way Yary has captured this is correct. CK was at work, in his company's work uniform, pushing his social agenda while on then clock in a way knowing it would agitate people. This ain't Tommy Smith and the '68 Olympics.

The NFL has every right to ask folks to not do that. Where they have dropped the ball is by not picking up the issue that CK was bringing to light.

If i was in people's face at work about my political views, there would be consequences.

False premise.

How so?

If I did the equivalent, there would be consequences.

He's not in peoples' faces and you could easily do something like wear a MAGA hat and you would suffer no consequences from your employer. You're framing the debate in a 'rich, entitled guy vs. Everyday Joes' setting.

If I wore a MAGA hat around at work, there would be consequences. People are VERY passionate about political issues and would voice their issues.

You think some kid could wear a MAGA pin on his shirt working at a BK in Boston?

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Which is exactly my point. He chose to protest and raise awareness at the expense of his own career.

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Reading this thread proves to me that Nike accomplished it's goal of the ad campaign. Supporters like myself now feel a strong attachment to the brand and detractors are grasping at straws - finding any miniscule detail that isn't exactly correct ("he didn't lose everything - he still has some money"). The main point is that everyone is talking about it and detractors are spending a lot time THINKING about Nike. Kudos to them. LOL reading this thread I'm surprised there wasn't some public hub-bub when they released 'Just Do It'. Technically it doesn't say what 'it' is - or how to do it. Therefore the campaign is bullshit. LOL.

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Reading this thread proves to me that Nike accomplished it's goal of the ad campaign. Supporters like myself now feel a strong attachment to the brand and detractors are grasping at straws - finding any miniscule detail that isn't exactly correct ("he didn't lose everything - he still has some money"). The main point is that everyone is talking about it and detractors are spending a lot time THINKING about Nike. Kudos to them. LOL reading this thread I'm surprised there wasn't some public hub-bub when they released 'Just Do It'. Technically it doesn't say what 'it' is - or how to do it. Therefore the campaign is bullshit. LOL.

Funny thing is....it has no impact on how I feel about Nike at all. They are about making money. CK is the vehicle today.

I personally liked the "I am not a role model" controversy much more.