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kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:10:49 PM)

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Collin Kaepernick's Nike commercial is pretty dang awesome.

Love it. I'll never understand how someone could love America and hate Colin Kaepernick.


Its crazy. He's literally doing what our country was founded on.


Slave labor? Huh? I missed that completely.

LOL Bigo. There definitely was that. However, I have incredibly high regard for our founding fathers. Regarding slavery they just lived in a time where very few people knew any better.


I'm trying to read over most of this shit, but what in thee flying fcuk did you just say? Didnt know any better?

Ian I'm saying most of the world didn't realize that slavery was wrong. I wasn't there and I don't know this for a fact, but that is the way I understand it.


Then you understand nothing. These slave owner cocksuckers KNEW that shit was wrong. They didn't view black people as humans and even treated animals better than them.

And they rationalized their actions by trying to show how black folks were intellectually inferior or were genetically best suited to be the help. So you're saying all of that was out of ignorance, where once Lincoln signed the EP, they all realized they were ****ed up?

What's next, slave owners owned slaves becuz their friends were doing it too? Please quit while you're behind. Dont insult me or as anyone else any more. I'm begging you.

You weren't there and neither was I. If they didn't view black people as human than they clearly didn't know better. The history I have read is that they didn't know better.


I went to a historically black college that is built on a former plantation. I've been exposed to shit you never would believe existed. My great grandmother's parents were slaves and I've heard stories. Dont ever ****in talk to me about not being there, EVER.

YOU weren't there and have no earthly ****ing clue about the bullshit coming out of your mouth and how absolutely insulting you're being to me, my family, heritage and anyone else if color (if not humans in general). Do everybody a favor and shut your mouth.

Ian I get that it is all personal to you. For what it's worth I'm Native American, Caucasian and Asian so I do have perspective as a person of color. I'm married to a Filipina. So I won't talk about people not knowing better anymore. I just have one question for you.
Do you despise America's founding fathers?



Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:17:00 PM)

You just dont know when to quit. That says enough on it's own. I'm done with this.



bohumm -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:17:00 PM)

If only being a master logician proved to be beneficial to comprehending......almost anything.



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:22:10 PM)

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If only being a master logician proved to be beneficial to comprehending......almost anything.

OK if you comprehend so well Bohumm does Ian despise the American founding fathers or not? I didn't want to put those words on Ian unless he said them himself. Go ahead and prove how well you comprehend things.



Pager -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:23:48 PM)

Seriously read a biography on Thomas Jefferson. Just read one a couple months ago, I'll look it up and provide. Brilliant man, believed in the Sovereignty of the living generation. Was in France during the writing of the Constitution. Knew slavery was immoral. Was a weak human and acted in his self interest.

The abolitionist movement was already afoot. Transatlantic slavery was banned a short while later.

Ignorance is never a defense.



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:27:59 PM)

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Seriously read a biography on Thomas Jefferson. Just read one a couple months ago, I'll look it up and provide. Brilliant man, believed in the Sovereignty of the living generation. Was in France during the writing of the Constitution. Knew slavery was immoral. Was a weak human and acted in his self interest.

The abolitionist movement was already afoot. Transatlantic slavery was banned a short while later.

Ignorance is never a defense.

Ignorance is a better defense than knowing and still doing the wrong thing. However, I still admire Jefferson for all the good things he did. It's always easy to judge others.



bohumm -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:32:11 PM)

This is what I comprehend:

"You just dont know when to quit. That says enough on it's own. I'm done with this."

But again, I'm not a master logician.



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:33:53 PM)

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This is what I comprehend:

"You just dont know when to quit. That says enough on it's own. I'm done with this."

But again, I'm not a master logician.

Just as I expected you can mock me and act superior, but you are gutless. Come on answer the question. Since I don't comprehend show me that you do.
The reason you won't answer the question is you know you lose either way you answer it. You don't stand for anything.



Pager -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:36:47 PM)

Not surprising, you miss the point.

You stated: Regarding slavery they just lived in a time where very few people knew any better.

Then you claim you "don't know because you weren't there" (paraphrased)

Then claim something about "stuff you read"

This is intellectually lazy. And reminds me of someone that often uses tactic.

I'm now done as well.



bohumm -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:41:59 PM)

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This is what I comprehend:

"You just dont know when to quit. That says enough on it's own. I'm done with this."

But again, I'm not a master logician.

Just as I expected you can mock me and act superior, but you are gutless. Come on answer the question. Since I don't comprehend show me that you do.
The reason you won't answer the question is you know you lose either way you answer it. You don't stand for anything.

I think Ian hates slavery, which probably means he holds a dim view of those who owned slaves and/or facilitated/enabled/looked the other way.

I also think Ian gave you some really good advice for which you should be grateful, and which you would do well to heed. Your choice, Logic Boy.



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 9:58:48 PM)

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This is what I comprehend:

"You just dont know when to quit. That says enough on it's own. I'm done with this."

But again, I'm not a master logician.

Just as I expected you can mock me and act superior, but you are gutless. Come on answer the question. Since I don't comprehend show me that you do.
The reason you won't answer the question is you know you lose either way you answer it. You don't stand for anything.

I think Ian hates slavery, which probably means he holds a dim view of those who owned slaves and/or facilitated/enabled/looked the other way.

I also think Ian gave you some really good advice for which you should be grateful, and which you would do well to heed. Your choice, Logic Boy.

Unless I read him wrong he even called the founding fathers cocksuckers here is the quote "These slave owner cocksuckers KNEW that shit was wrong." However, those guys also did some amazingly good things. It isn't as simple as just saying they owned slaves so I have to hate them.
Should we judge people from 240 plus years ago by our modern standards? Women were also treated as property back in those times. However, the words "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal." were very good words. They were actually radical words as the idea that a pauper was created equal to a king was blasphemy to some. Even if they didn't include women and Black men at the time. Eventually most of us came to believe that all men and women of any pigment are created equal. The founding fathers got part of the picture and eventually most of us got a lot more of the picture.



bohumm -> RE: Other NFL News (9/6/2018 10:28:14 PM)

Done.



marty -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 3:10:52 AM)

Also if you admire Kaep standing for what he believes in then you should appreciate me standing for my belief

Just like if we admired MLK, we should also admire someone that stood up against him and shot him ?



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 7:38:02 AM)

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Also if you admire Kaep standing for what he believes in then you should appreciate me standing for my belief

Just like if we admired MLK, we should also admire someone that stood up against him and shot him ?

No not at all. I'm committing no crimes. I believe Kaepernick is quite misguided in his form of protest. I'm willing to stand up against his stand which makes me unpopular with many. I'm not going to just sit back
while many have a Kaepernick love fest now that he is getting paid millions for making commercials.



marty -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 8:21:10 AM)

So you wouldn't have been the guy that shot MLK, might you have been one that appreciated the person that shot him ?



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 9:34:15 AM)

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So you wouldn't have been the guy that shot MLK, might you have been one that appreciated the person that shot him ?

Nope I was a pretty big fan of MLK Jr, but it was mostly after his death. I was too young to know much of anything about him when he was alive. After reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X I had issues with, Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X until he realized how exploited he had been. Do you for some reason think that a person who doesn't appreciate Kaepernick has to be against MLK Jr. ?



kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 9:40:39 AM)

I do want to apologize for speaking too much off the top of my head about the founding fathers and slavery. Due to Pagers challenge I have been looking into that and I have found out some interesting things. I may comment on that more, but not until I'm done looking into it.



Lynn G. -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 10:05:07 AM)

Okay - so based on reading this thread I had to take a look at the Nike Ad. It was

AWESOME

I don't think one's politics should distinguish who likes the ad or not. It is, at its core, a message to follow your dreams and don't be afraid to make your dreams HUGE. If someone finds that offensive and political I would say that they are watching with a prejudicial bias. The ad takes no political stance. The ad is a massive encouragement to all of us: men, women, handicapped, poor, disadvantaged, discouraged, hesitant, curious, talented, brave, frightened, human ... to think big and freaking go for it, whatever your dream.

Anyone who sees something offensive in that message was looking to find something offensive.



thebigo -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 10:08:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I do want to apologize for speaking too much off the top of my head about the founding fathers and slavery. Due to Pagers challenge I have been looking into that and I have found out some interesting things. I may comment on that more, but not until I'm done looking into it.


Elsewhere please.



Bruce Johnson -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 10:22:11 AM)

I do believe the team is going to be good. The offense may need more time, though. Hopefully not, but with the new QB, new coordinator and new members of the offensive line it could take some time.



Lynn G. -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 10:25:58 AM)

KG, I have lived a pretty good and decently long life so far, and one thing I have learned is that humans are rarely the silhouettes we imagine them to be. We're complex, interesting, sometimes disturbing people filled with flaws and talents. We are influenced by things very early in life but also, when exposed to different views later sometimes evolve our views and our behaviors. There are some that never really evolve and simply perpetuate the biases of our parents and their parents, but the more we expose ourselves to things outside of our sphere the more interesting WE become.

It is entirely possible to admire the way our forefathers crafted a new nation and embraced freedoms and liberty and self-reliance and all of the democratic (small d) institutions we as a nation treasure - AND for us to also cringe at and criticize their human failings. Someone can be both a high thinking idealist AND a brute in their own home.

It is a truth that some of our leaders in our history have led lives in which they hurt other people, but at the same time, wrote great legislation. Just like we can't rationalize that someone said something hurtful when they were drunk and blame it on the booze, we can't blame a man like Thomas Jefferson's ownership of slaves on the "but everyone was doing it" excuse.

Thomas Jefferson was both brilliant and wretched. He was both forward thinking and stubbornly wedded to the economic and social disgrace of slavery. And he was brilliant. The damage he was doing to the people he enslaved was not lost on him. He understood that the privileges he had as a white, wealthy landowner were a far cry from the lives his slaves led, yet his weakness was that he couldn't disengage himself from that perpetuated horror.

Who do you know that is a super smart guy but still does really stupid things sometimes? Have you ever met anyone with high academic prowess but not a lick of common sense? Have you ever known anyone that volunteers long hours to help others but also displays road rage because of an imagined insult from another driver?

Humans are complex and horrifically flawed. But we are also fascinating and talented and innovative and kind and forever dreamers.

That's MY answer to your question about the forefathers, and, interestingly, it is also the reason why the Nike ad is brilliantly done.



marty -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 11:07:18 AM)

Lynn, that is a brilliant post.



Murph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 11:15:16 AM)

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KG, I have lived a pretty good and decently long life so far, and one thing I have learned is that humans are rarely the silhouettes we imagine them to be. We're complex, interesting, sometimes disturbing people filled with flaws and talents. We are influenced by things very early in life but also, when exposed to different views later sometimes evolve our views and our behaviors. There are some that never really evolve and simply perpetuate the biases of our parents and their parents, but the more we expose ourselves to things outside of our sphere the more interesting WE become.

It is entirely possible to admire the way our forefathers crafted a new nation and embraced freedoms and liberty and self-reliance and all of the democratic (small d) institutions we as a nation treasure - AND for us to also cringe at and criticize their human failings. Someone can be both a high thinking idealist AND a brute in their own home.

It is a truth that some of our leaders in our history have led lives in which they hurt other people, but at the same time, wrote great legislation. Just like we can't rationalize that someone said something hurtful when they were drunk and blame it on the booze, we can't blame a man like Thomas Jefferson's ownership of slaves on the "but everyone was doing it" excuse.

Thomas Jefferson was both brilliant and wretched. He was both forward thinking and stubbornly wedded to the economic and social disgrace of slavery. And he was brilliant. The damage he was doing to the people he enslaved was not lost on him. He understood that the privileges he had as a white, wealthy landowner were a far cry from the lives his slaves led, yet his weakness was that he couldn't disengage himself from that perpetuated horror.

Who do you know that is a super smart guy but still does really stupid things sometimes? Have you ever met anyone with high academic prowess but not a lick of common sense? Have you ever known anyone that volunteers long hours to help others but also displays road rage because of an imagined insult from another driver?

Humans are complex and horrifically flawed. But we are also fascinating and talented and innovative and kind and forever dreamers.

That's MY answer to your question about the forefathers, and, interestingly, it is also the reason why the Nike ad is brilliantly done.


That was awesome. Thank you for sharing that Lynn.



twinsfan -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 11:27:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Collin Kaepernick's Nike commercial is pretty dang awesome.

Love it. I'll never understand how someone could love America and hate Colin Kaepernick.


Its crazy. He's literally doing what our country was founded on.


Slave labor? Huh? I missed that completely.

LOL Bigo. There definitely was that. However, I have incredibly high regard for our founding fathers. Regarding slavery they just lived in a time where very few people knew any better.


I'm trying to read over most of this shit, but what in thee flying fcuk did you just say? Didnt know any better?

Ian I'm saying most of the world didn't realize that slavery was wrong. I wasn't there and I don't know this for a fact, but that is the way I understand it.


Then you understand nothing. These slave owner cocksuckers KNEW that shit was wrong. They didn't view black people as humans and even treated animals better than them.

And they rationalized their actions by trying to show how black folks were intellectually inferior or were genetically best suited to be the help. So you're saying all of that was out of ignorance, where once Lincoln signed the EP, they all realized they were ****ed up?

What's next, slave owners owned slaves becuz their friends were doing it too? Please quit while you're behind. Dont insult me or as anyone else any more. I'm begging you.

You weren't there and neither was I. If they didn't view black people as human than they clearly didn't know better. The history I have read is that they didn't know better.

Are you for realsies, kg? You may be pushing ban territory. Like always, you push it way too far.



Bill Jandro -> RE: Other NFL News (9/7/2018 12:09:51 PM)

I liked the commercial

I think it was very brave for Nike to pick Kaep

A little surprised Nike didn't insist Kaep to get a hair cut. I think Kaep would resonate better if he were in a suit and tie and lose the mop hair.



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