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David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 5:41:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I don't like it. I would be fine not knowing how anyone feels about one another unless it's buddy buddy stuff like the players in Japan. If Zim had given us a championship then it might be a different story. I don't think the old school thing meshes well with what and how Zim shares with the media. Just because you 'shoot straight' and 'tell it like it is' doesn't mean you have to share. Look at how this appears vs something like - Rhodes is an amazing player and this year I challenge him prove he's the best...he has it in him. I feel like last year was a bit of a down year for him and I'd like him to kill it this year. I think it was a mistake for the coach to talk about earning money. How about this: "Xavier was dinged up all last year and still a gutted out a solid season that didn't quite measure up to his own standards. He's healthy this year and I expect him to have a bounce-back season."

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 5:55:49 PM)
If Rhodes is upset about challenging comments directed towards him by his coach- that may be a good thing. It would be easier to know if we knew Rhodes better, but perhaps or even probably Zimmer knows his players well, especially in the secondary and Rhodes has been together with Zimmer since his second season. Anyway, I think it's better not to overreact to Rhodes initial reaction. Let's give it some more time. If his reaction was milquetoast, that might be actually more concerning.

kwheats -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:02:44 PM)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2xDlGHUcAAWK_G.jpg Read the whole quote Zimmer did say he was part of the problem.[sm=thumb.gif]

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:10:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Most of today's players just dont respond well to Zimm's old school style and personality... As well I think some of them have a point, if Zimm cant look in mirror and start with himself and his coaches under him... Their perceived "game planning" and lack of adjustments in game... Not a good look when your strongest position point in coaching, the star corner is unhappy with being thrown under bus and called out in public over his play in your schemes. Players love to play for Zimmer seems to be losing its merit... Didn't Zimmer say he was going to change things up on defense? Some out of the box stuff? That would seem to me that he is admitting that he needs to change his philosophy for better results.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:21:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I don't like it. I would be fine not knowing how anyone feels about one another unless it's buddy buddy stuff like the players in Japan. If Zim had given us a championship then it might be a different story. I don't think the old school thing meshes well with what and how Zim shares with the media. Just because you 'shoot straight' and 'tell it like it is' doesn't mean you have to share. Look at how this appears vs something like - Rhodes is an amazing player and this year I challenge him prove he's the best...he has it in him. I feel like last year was a bit of a down year for him and I'd like him to kill it this year. I think it was a mistake for the coach to talk about earning money. Zimmer crossed a line on that comment and the effects on the team will range from neutral to poor.

kwheats -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:29:43 PM)
Xavier Rhodes and Antonio Brown’s “brotherly” relationship could be the problem!!![:(]

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kwheats https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2xDlGHUcAAWK_G.jpg Read the whole quote Zimmer did say he was part of the problem.[sm=thumb.gif] It was a passive, slightly back-handed admission of being part of the problem.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:40:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kwheats Xavier Rhodes and Antonio Brown’s “brotherly” relationship could be the problem!!![:(] Zimmer called out Cousins too. How did the softer gentler Zimmer work out last year?

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/28/2019 6:49:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: kwheats Xavier Rhodes and Antonio Brown’s “brotherly” relationship could be the problem!!![:(] Zimmer called out Cousins too. How did the softer gentler Zimmer work out last year? About as well as a Stuffed Animal Massacre message If players stop buying into Zimm's style we are in big trouble... Hopefully a strong presence on offense from the Kubiak crew can get that side of things in order and give Zimm more concentration on his strengths... No excuses this season if what should be a top rated D struggles in stretches with unimaginative game planning and clear lack of in game adjustments to what we all see and yell at the screen 2/3 of the game from our homes...

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 2:02:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think Rag has a solid point regarding Zim should "look in the mirror" Many of his game plans are not good nor do I see smart in game adjustments. When your team comes out flat in a 'play in game" at home nonetheless. QB and top WR arguing on the sideline and many players only putting in a minimal effort suggests Zim has lost their ear. Calling guys out (even if deserved) doesn't appear to be going over very well. i'm not a zimmer lover, but i think that zimmer knows exactly who he is as a coach...he recognizes his own deficiencies...he doesn't fluff people up, just as he doesn't fluff himself up.... they've been talking a lot about money and the salary cap in the front office lately - so, with that in mind he perhaps went a little too far...it is what it is, and i'd bet that it does motivate rhodes to play better....

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 8:40:35 AM)
Speilman gets another year added to his contract. I guess that means there will be no accountability if this season is a turd.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 9:36:16 AM)
Rhodes would be elite without the penalties. http://www.skornorth.com/vikings-2/2019/03/can-xavier-rhodes-bounce-back/

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 10:17:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Most of today's players just dont respond well to Zimm's old school style and personality... As well I think some of them have a point, if Zimm cant look in mirror and start with himself and his coaches under him... Their perceived "game planning" and lack of adjustments in game... Not a good look when your strongest position point in coaching, the star corner is unhappy with being thrown under bus and called out in public over his play in your schemes. Players love to play for Zimmer seems to be losing its merit... Didn't Zimmer say he was going to change things up on defense? Some out of the box stuff? That would seem to me that he is admitting that he needs to change his philosophy for better results. I read that the same way.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 10:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think Rag has a solid point regarding Zim should "look in the mirror" Many of his game plans are not good nor do I see smart in game adjustments. When your team comes out flat in a 'play in game" at home nonetheless. QB and top WR arguing on the sideline and many players only putting in a minimal effort suggests Zim has lost their ear. Calling guys out (even if deserved) doesn't appear to be going over very well. i'm not a zimmer lover, but i think that zimmer knows exactly who he is as a coach...he recognizes his own deficiencies...he doesn't fluff people up, just as he doesn't fluff himself up.... they've been talking a lot about money and the salary cap in the front office lately - so, with that in mind he perhaps went a little too far...it is what it is, and i'd bet that it does motivate rhodes to play better.... Hard to imagine the players don't respect a guy who is willing to risk blindness rather than take a day off from coaching. Zimmer himself said a Super Bowl victory is more important to him than the sight in that eye.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 11:09:42 AM)
. . Sean Borman@SeanBoarMan Courtney Cronin on KFAN said she expects a bounce back season from Xavier Rhodes. The #Vikings CB dealt with multiple nagging injuries throughout the season. She said Zimmer’s comments about Rhodes’ play last year was just a “standard” way of the coach trying to motivate him.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 11:34:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think Rag has a solid point regarding Zim should "look in the mirror" Many of his game plans are not good nor do I see smart in game adjustments. When your team comes out flat in a 'play in game" at home nonetheless. QB and top WR arguing on the sideline and many players only putting in a minimal effort suggests Zim has lost their ear. Calling guys out (even if deserved) doesn't appear to be going over very well. i'm not a zimmer lover, but i think that zimmer knows exactly who he is as a coach...he recognizes his own deficiencies...he doesn't fluff people up, just as he doesn't fluff himself up.... they've been talking a lot about money and the salary cap in the front office lately - so, with that in mind he perhaps went a little too far...it is what it is, and i'd bet that it does motivate rhodes to play better.... Hard to imagine the players don't respect a guy who is willing to risk blindness rather than take a day off from coaching. Zimmer himself said a Super Bowl victory is more important to him than the sight in that eye. A super bowl or vision in either of my eyes? That's an easy easy choice for me. I'll take my eyes working. I guess that's why Zimmer is an NFL coach and I'm not. I honestly don't know if I respect it or think it's bordering on insane! Maybe both![:)]

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 12:08:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think Rag has a solid point regarding Zim should "look in the mirror" Many of his game plans are not good nor do I see smart in game adjustments. When your team comes out flat in a 'play in game" at home nonetheless. QB and top WR arguing on the sideline and many players only putting in a minimal effort suggests Zim has lost their ear. Calling guys out (even if deserved) doesn't appear to be going over very well. i'm not a zimmer lover, but i think that zimmer knows exactly who he is as a coach...he recognizes his own deficiencies...he doesn't fluff people up, just as he doesn't fluff himself up.... they've been talking a lot about money and the salary cap in the front office lately - so, with that in mind he perhaps went a little too far...it is what it is, and i'd bet that it does motivate rhodes to play better.... Hard to imagine the players don't respect a guy who is willing to risk blindness rather than take a day off from coaching. Zimmer himself said a Super Bowl victory is more important to him than the sight in that eye. Well what's holding him back then? Go get that Super Bowl. It's entirely within his control. It's not about 'risking blindness' it's about coaching a team to a title. It requires more than just desire.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/29/2019 12:54:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think Rag has a solid point regarding Zim should "look in the mirror" Many of his game plans are not good nor do I see smart in game adjustments. When your team comes out flat in a 'play in game" at home nonetheless. QB and top WR arguing on the sideline and many players only putting in a minimal effort suggests Zim has lost their ear. Calling guys out (even if deserved) doesn't appear to be going over very well. i'm not a zimmer lover, but i think that zimmer knows exactly who he is as a coach...he recognizes his own deficiencies...he doesn't fluff people up, just as he doesn't fluff himself up.... they've been talking a lot about money and the salary cap in the front office lately - so, with that in mind he perhaps went a little too far...it is what it is, and i'd bet that it does motivate rhodes to play better.... Hard to imagine the players don't respect a guy who is willing to risk blindness rather than take a day off from coaching. Zimmer himself said a Super Bowl victory is more important to him than the sight in that eye. Well what's holding him back then? Go get that Super Bowl. It's entirely within his control. It's not about 'risking blindness' it's about coaching a team to a title. It requires more than just desire. 31 other teams with bazillions invested fanatically obsessed with the same goal?

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 7:52:28 AM)
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/27/18284116/why-pat-elflein-needs-serious-competition-at-center Posted this a couple pages back but I think it got buried by the Rhodes tweet. Very good article. Plenty of footage. The tape focuses on Elf but the G play obviously could be equally scrutinized.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 11:20:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/27/18284116/why-pat-elflein-needs-serious-competition-at-center Posted this a couple pages back but I think it got buried by the Rhodes tweet. Very good article. Plenty of footage. The tape focuses on Elf but the G play obviously could be equally scrutinized. Gonna argue with myself here: - The video paints a pretty bad picture, and is confined to one (important) game, but... - Anyone could probably handpick around 10 plays in a game for any NFL player to bolster their argument, but... - The jury should be out on Elf, big time. There is some footage on Kline, over a bunch of games, and the same hand-picked argument applies. However, he looks like a guy who likes to mix it up. Elf in contrast - in those videos anyway - looks like he's learning to ice skate. Not writing Elf off, but I hope we draft someone who has played G and C.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 11:50:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/27/18284116/why-pat-elflein-needs-serious-competition-at-center Posted this a couple pages back but I think it got buried by the Rhodes tweet. Very good article. Plenty of footage. The tape focuses on Elf but the G play obviously could be equally scrutinized. Gonna argue with myself here: - The video paints a pretty bad picture, and is confined to one (important) game, but... - Anyone could probably handpick around 10 plays in a game for any NFL player to bolster their argument, but... - The jury should be out on Elf, big time. There is some footage on Kline, over a bunch of games, and the same hand-picked argument applies. However, he looks like a guy who likes to mix it up. Elf in contrast - in those videos anyway - looks like he's learning to ice skate. Not writing Elf off, but I hope we draft someone who has played G and C. When he pulls and gets out in space he is in front of the play but seemed to have trouble zeroing in on a guy to block and wiffed more times than not. However, I remember him being much better at this as a rookie. Seemed the oline was confused and had little purpose and no idea how to handle stunts which falls on the coaching. Agree with your take for the most part but there was extensive video there of other games as well.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 12:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/27/18284116/why-pat-elflein-needs-serious-competition-at-center Posted this a couple pages back but I think it got buried by the Rhodes tweet. Very good article. Plenty of footage. The tape focuses on Elf but the G play obviously could be equally scrutinized. Gonna argue with myself here: - The video paints a pretty bad picture, and is confined to one (important) game, but... - Anyone could probably handpick around 10 plays in a game for any NFL player to bolster their argument, but... - The jury should be out on Elf, big time. There is some footage on Kline, over a bunch of games, and the same hand-picked argument applies. However, he looks like a guy who likes to mix it up. Elf in contrast - in those videos anyway - looks like he's learning to ice skate. Not writing Elf off, but I hope we draft someone who has played G and C. When he pulls and gets out in space he is in front of the play but seemed to have trouble zeroing in on a guy to block and wiffed more times than not. However, I remember him being much better at this as a rookie. Seemed the oline was confused and had little purpose and no idea how to handle stunts which falls on the coaching. Agree with your take for the most part but there was extensive video there of other games as well. i have to say that i watched that tape and it's not nearly as bad as i expected...on almost every play elflein's man arrived at the tackle after the tackle was already being made by other defensive players...i totally expect elflein to improve this season with a full dose of offseason workouts and dennison's coaching skill and leadership.... in my opionion we're good at center this year - spielman probably selects one in the 6th round....

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 2:40:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/27/18284116/why-pat-elflein-needs-serious-competition-at-center Posted this a couple pages back but I think it got buried by the Rhodes tweet. Very good article. Plenty of footage. The tape focuses on Elf but the G play obviously could be equally scrutinized. Gonna argue with myself here: - The video paints a pretty bad picture, and is confined to one (important) game, but... - Anyone could probably handpick around 10 plays in a game for any NFL player to bolster their argument, but... - The jury should be out on Elf, big time. There is some footage on Kline, over a bunch of games, and the same hand-picked argument applies. However, he looks like a guy who likes to mix it up. Elf in contrast - in those videos anyway - looks like he's learning to ice skate. Not writing Elf off, but I hope we draft someone who has played G and C. When he pulls and gets out in space he is in front of the play but seemed to have trouble zeroing in on a guy to block and wiffed more times than not. However, I remember him being much better at this as a rookie. Seemed the oline was confused and had little purpose and no idea how to handle stunts which falls on the coaching. Agree with your take for the most part but there was extensive video there of other games as well. quote: Johanesen C'mon Bill ... that article is completely one-sided. Totally skewed to a conclusion. If your conclusion is that Elflein is not dedicated enough or low effort and that hopefully a new coach can motivate him ... you are probably talking about the wrong guy. The guy is supposed to be freakish in his work habits and dedication. (athleticism and developed technique is another story) The title is spot on ... Elflein played poorly last year – and he should have decent competition to either re-establish himself as the starter or drop back into a back-up C/G position. But I doubt that will happen. It seems as if they seized on the guy two years ago, and were so impressed with him his rookie year – in spite of him playing just adequate overall – that they have entrenched him as starter. Enough to keep Jones on the bench in 2018 regardless of how Elflein was performing. The fact that they are trying hard to resign Jones tells me they like his game ... so Elflein didn't hold on to the starter position last season because we had no other option. If we resign Jones, I would be surprised if we drafted a 'pure' C or Center first/Guard second player in the first 3 or 4 rounds.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 3:03:53 PM)
What you seen was a guy deserving of being the 32nd ranked center in the league. If your satisfied with that more power to you.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/30/2019 3:23:53 PM)
I'm starting to be swayed into hoping the Vikings select Bradbury or McCoy in the draft and then enabling a competition at the center position. I don't think either will be still there at #50, though.

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