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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 4:54:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 5:51:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 6:40:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR?

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 6:51:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? Daniel Carlson? Mike Hughs? Everson griffin?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 6:59:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? Daniel Carlson? Mike Hughs? Everson griffin? Griffen was a punt return gunner right? He would be a hella TE. 6' 7" Rudolph to DE. Treadwell to rangy LB to placate Phil! Since Hughes is out, guess Carlson will be the first two-way, err two-team player.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/2/2019 7:04:34 PM)
Shit, seriously I'll bet Griffen would definitely be better in yac. Just needs an offseason to work on catching. Route running for Rudy is just kind of fade out there, so Griff can do that.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/3/2019 2:40:40 PM)
I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/3/2019 3:25:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong. I like Boone a lot. And RB is the easiest position in the game to find a guy off the street in you need one.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/3/2019 3:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?.... Beebe Zylstra Badet

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/3/2019 3:45:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong. I like Boone a lot. And RB is the easiest position in the game to find a guy off the street in you need one. i agree on boone...imo we don't draft a rb until the 6th/7th, and that's only if we really love him....

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/3/2019 10:00:18 PM)
It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 9:47:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. we've got the juice, what we need now is the meat - meat - meat - and more meat....

ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 9:53:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. we've got the juice, what we need now is the meat - meat - meat - and more meat.... I agree that we have enough juice and need a lot of meat on our line and tight end.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 10:46:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 10:54:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?.... Beebe Zylstra Badet Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 11:51:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body? I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 12:22:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body? I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah. Boone and Abdullah are fine back-ups ... with Boone looking like he maybe has a chance to be decent #2 RB eventually and Abdullah having enough - along with being the KR - to be worth keeping as #3 competition. But neither are as good as Murray, neither provide much of a contrast to Cook (i.e., big back or pounder etc), and neither can protect well enough to be consistently dependable on passing downs. (not that its easy to find that in the draft) Given the Kubiak/Zimmer directive and Cook's durability issues (Boone got dinged in limited time last year as well) – the team may address RB earlier than most of us think. It would not surprise me in the 3-4 rd. There are so many needs on Offense ... I can justify 2 OGs, OT (to shift Reiff or compete with Hill), RB, TE2, WR3, and QB3. The draft is always interesting but this year, I sense a draftroom with some desperation in the air as these guys try and right the ship / keep their jobs.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 2:08:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?.... Beebe Zylstra Badet Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick. So Beebe is your guy a WR3 or we use a 5th/6th. Got it.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 2:10:36 PM)
There are needs, and then there are NEEDS. Interior OL.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 2:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need: G 3 WR DT Early round preference between closely ranked players 1-OG 2-TE 3-DT we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books.... i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter.... rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad.... I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR? Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense. Umm, Abdullah probably. Again, who is our 3rd WR? is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?.... Beebe Zylstra Badet Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick. So Beebe is your guy a WR3. Got it. If not we can still find one w/o using a high draft pick....

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 3:03:07 PM)
https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1 --- Clear to take D with our first pick now.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 3:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1 --- Clear to take D with our first pick now. Oh goody. Now we won't have to draft O-line until the 4th round and then about 3 more in the 7th round.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 3:17:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1 --- Clear to take D with our first pick now. Was with the Jets, same team to sign Tom Compton.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 3:23:31 PM)
Isadora-Dozier battle for backup G spot.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2019 3:24:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice. As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body? I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah. Boone and Abdullah are fine back-ups ... with Boone looking like he maybe has a chance to be decent #2 RB eventually and Abdullah having enough - along with being the KR - to be worth keeping as #3 competition. But neither are as good as Murray, neither provide much of a contrast to Cook (i.e., big back or pounder etc), and neither can protect well enough to be consistently dependable on passing downs. (not that its easy to find that in the draft) Given the Kubiak/Zimmer directive and Cook's durability issues (Boone got dinged in limited time last year as well) – the team may address RB earlier than most of us think. It would not surprise me in the 3-4 rd. There are so many needs on Offense ... I can justify 2 OGs, OT (to shift Reiff or compete with Hill), RB, TE2, WR3, and QB3. The draft is always interesting but this year, I sense a draftroom with some desperation in the air as these guys try and right the ship / keep their jobs. You said it much better than I did and I agree. If feels like we have more needs than earlier draft picks. I really don't count fifth round and on. They are like priority undrafted free agents. The difference is paper thin.

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