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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for.
Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck.
Preparation and personnel are a key component.
TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both.
Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season.
Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games.
Would you?
JMO.

There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2).

We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play.

I'm more concerned about the future.

Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not.

I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better.

Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2.

Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice.

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

That's it. Reminds me of the 2013 justifications for playing Ponder.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So what should Sloter be doing on his end?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not even close, they brought in garbage as backups to Ponder. The point is who cares who is #2 and who is #3 if they both make the team. Sloter needs to accept some of the blame, there have been 3 different coordinators (Norv, Flip, and now Stepanski) who think he should be #3 and they have been given free reign on the choices.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

This point.

In spades..

They are trying to justify a poor choice, like treadwell, Preifer, Siemen, on and on... not starting Diggs...I could go on for days...


“We know, you don’t..... despite your years of watching us fk it up we know better...”

Yea... ok...
[&o]

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for.
Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck.
Preparation and personnel are a key component.
TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both.
Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season.
Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games.
Would you?
JMO.

There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2).

We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play.

I'm more concerned about the future.

Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not.

I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better.

Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2.

Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice.

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

That's it. Reminds me of the 2013 justifications for playing Ponder.

Not even close, they brought in garbage as backups to Ponder. The point is who cares who is #2 and who is #3 if they both make the team. Sloter needs to accept some of the blame, there have been 3 different coordinators (Norv, Flip, and now Stepanski) who think he should be #3 and they have been given free reign on the choices.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

This point.

In spades..

They are trying to justify a poor choice, like treadwell, Preifer, Siemen, on and on... not starting Diggs...I could go on for days...


“We know, you don’t..... despite your years of watching us fk it up we know better...”

Yea... ok...
[&o]

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

This point.

In spades..

They are trying to justify a poor choice, like treadwell, Preifer, Siemen, on and on... not starting Diggs...I could go on for days...


“We know, you don’t..... despite your years of watching us fk it up we know better...”

Yea... ok...
[&o]

I don't get it though. Mannion was like our 3rd choice this off season. We went out of our way to get Sloter on this team.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for.
Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck.
Preparation and personnel are a key component.
TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both.
Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season.
Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games.
Would you?
JMO.

There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2).

We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play.

I'm more concerned about the future.

Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not.

I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better.

Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2.

Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice.

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Worth noting that Colin Kaepernick is better than both at this point......as well as Matt Moore.

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Worth noting that Colin Kaepernick is better than both at this point......as well as Matt Moore.

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Worth noting that Colin Kaepernick is better than both at this point......as well as Matt Moore.

If Colin Kaepernick were in Vikings camp and #3 behind Manion, that would be worth discussing.

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Besides the starters, which players would you like to have the day off Thursday? I'm thinking that Kearse has made the roster and I don't want to see him get hurt. Don't you agree and who else is in the same boat with him?

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As is a guy like Tyrod Taylor. Look at him making plays in LA for the Chargers. Perish the thought we'd have a mobile QB out there.

I agree with the idea that Zim likes "his guys" around him. His son is the linebackers coach for God's sake! Can you imagine Belichick making his son part of his staff is he wasn't a total brain?

Stefanski is the clearest illustration of this. He was the position coach for Cousins last year. Now he's the Viking OC. Come on.....

Kev AS Interim OC in 2018. 3 games. Wipe-out of an awful Miami team. A full half of NO offense (except for a Hail Mary TD) in Detroit. Week 16 against the Bears. At home. Needing a win to get in. Mostly defensive backups. 164 yards of TOTAL OFFENSE.

He and Flip can open an ice cream stand.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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As is a guy like Tyrod Taylor. Look at him making plays in LA for the Chargers. Perish the thought we'd have a mobile QB out there.

I agree with the idea that Zim likes "his guys" around him. His son is the linebackers coach for God's sake! Can you imagine Belichick making his son part of his staff is he wasn't a total brain?

Stefanski is the clearest illustration of this. He was the position coach for Cousins last year. Now he's the Viking OC. Come on.....

Kev AS Interim OC in 2018. 3 games. Wipe-out of an awful Miami team. A full half of NO offense (except for a Hail Mary TD) in Detroit. Week 16 against the Bears. At home. Needing a win to get in. Mostly defensive backups. 164 yards of TOTAL OFFENSE.

He and Flip can open an ice cream stand.

To be fair... Steve Belichick is on Bill's staff.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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As is a guy like Tyrod Taylor. Look at him making plays in LA for the Chargers. Perish the thought we'd have a mobile QB out there.

I agree with the idea that Zim likes "his guys" around him. His son is the linebackers coach for God's sake! Can you imagine Belichick making his son part of his staff is he wasn't a total brain?

Stefanski is the clearest illustration of this. He was the position coach for Cousins last year. Now he's the Viking OC. Come on.....

Kev AS Interim OC in 2018. 3 games. Wipe-out of an awful Miami team. A full half of NO offense (except for a Hail Mary TD) in Detroit. Week 16 against the Bears. At home. Needing a win to get in. Mostly defensive backups. 164 yards of TOTAL OFFENSE.

He and Flip can open an ice cream stand.

To be fair... Steve Belichick is on Bill's staff.

Bill Belichick gets an exemption. Earned it

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: beo

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As is a guy like Tyrod Taylor. Look at him making plays in LA for the Chargers. Perish the thought we'd have a mobile QB out there.

I agree with the idea that Zim likes "his guys" around him. His son is the linebackers coach for God's sake! Can you imagine Belichick making his son part of his staff is he wasn't a total brain?

Stefanski is the clearest illustration of this. He was the position coach for Cousins last year. Now he's the Viking OC. Come on.....

Kev AS Interim OC in 2018. 3 games. Wipe-out of an awful Miami team. A full half of NO offense (except for a Hail Mary TD) in Detroit. Week 16 against the Bears. At home. Needing a win to get in. Mostly defensive backups. 164 yards of TOTAL OFFENSE.

He and Flip can open an ice cream stand.

To be fair... Steve Belichick is on Bill's staff.

Bill Belichick gets an exemption. Earned it

Yep. When you wear 6 Super Bowl rings, you can have your whole damn family as your coaching staff.

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Worth noting that Colin Kaepernick is better than both at this point......as well as Matt Moore.

One or both of the two might be a Colt by week's end