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TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 10:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Sweens...it's not like Zimmer just got here... Im sick of OK. Time to put up or...pack your bags. Enough excuses. Oh, I get that. It's just the mentality that it's cut and dried that cracks me up. We already know we are going to have a disappointing season and what the fall out will be. It's a very fatalistic fan base.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 10:28:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Anyone agree if Vikings less than 10-6 Cousins..Zimmer..and Rick will be gone 9-7 yes for me but wouldnt happen. Would have to go 8-8 for Wilfs/Spiels to move on from Zimmer. Would have to go 6-10 for Wilfs to purge Spielman as well.

McMurfy -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Typical fan forum. Three preseason games under our belts and we're already predicting the firing of the coach and GM and unloading our starting QB after the season. Ok TJ Mannion, I’m sure you’re right. Things have been so great with Zimmer since the halftime stuffed animal speech.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:09:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Typical fan forum. Three preseason games under our belts and we're already predicting the firing of the coach and GM and unloading our starting QB after the season. Ok TJ Mannion, I’m sure you’re right. Things have been so great with Zimmer since the halftime stuffed animal speech. I didn't express an opinion, so there is nothing for me to wrong or right about. Just an observation about the fatalistic nature of our fan base.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:13:33 AM)
There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:16:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Yo Bigo. Chill the f out...dude. Don't u have better things to do? Geoffrey thebigo is our resident Mr. Snarky. I usually enjoy him, but I never take him seriously. Once in a while in my opinion he goes too far. Seems like you and he have got off on the wrong foot. I would recommend letting bye gones be bye gones and moving forward with the understanding of his posting style.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:20:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Anyone agree if Vikings less than 10-6 Cousins..Zimmer..and Rick will be gone I personally feel that should be a minimum expectation. On the other hand I feel people are going all gloom and doom over one poor offensive performance by the starters. Cousins completed 71% of his passes last season. He won't be putting up 3-13 games. All is well and I'm expecting a 12-4 season and a Super Bowl appearance.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:21:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. Is it possible that Zim thinks Sean is another Manning brother?

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:22:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer There are a couple positives going into the season for me is that they shored up the oline with Kline and Bradbury, added a big threat at TE, Cook looks healthy, and the LBs (mostly Kendricks and Barr) look healthy going into the season. This is one of the deepest Vikings teams we have had in years as they added some offense this year. I would rather have a wake up call in the 3rd preseason game then during the season. Agreed

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:23:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Typical fan forum. Three preseason games under our belts and we're already predicting the firing of the coach and GM and unloading our starting QB after the season. Absolutely. We are sounding like Rube Chat. Three preseason wins by the way.

McMurfy -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:28:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Typical fan forum. Three preseason games under our belts and we're already predicting the firing of the coach and GM and unloading our starting QB after the season. Ok TJ Mannion, I’m sure you’re right. Things have been so great with Zimmer since the halftime stuffed animal speech. I didn't express an opinion, so there is nothing for me to wrong or right about. Just an observation about the fatalistic nature of our fan base. And shouldn’t there be? All of the SB Losses, the NFCCG let downs, so many years as a franchise. What if we go another 56 years without winning a Super Bowl? By then would it even matter? Other teams will have had 1,2, 10 SB Wins. We’ll be like the last kid who got an Atari, by then no one cared because everyone else had their own.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:32:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:34:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:34:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Typical fan forum. Three preseason games under our belts and we're already predicting the firing of the coach and GM and unloading our starting QB after the season. Ok TJ Mannion, I’m sure you’re right. Things have been so great with Zimmer since the halftime stuffed animal speech. I didn't express an opinion, so there is nothing for me to wrong or right about. Just an observation about the fatalistic nature of our fan base. And shouldn’t there be? All of the SB Losses, the NFCCG let downs, so many years as a franchise. What if we go another 56 years without winning a Super Bowl? By then would it even matter? Other teams will have had 1,2, 10 SB Wins. We’ll be like the last kid who got an Atari, by then no one cared because everyone else had their own. Calm down man. I didn't condemn anyone for it. Just an observation.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:43:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. This is more to my point. Zimmer is under pressure from outside and inside to put up or shut up and gtfoohwts. It’s the Not For Long league. Cousins shelf life and value as a franchise QB is at its upper limit. I for one do not want to see Mannion the minion, ever become our starting QB. Can’t we just trust that maybe John Elway knows more about QB potential, than Zimmer or Spielman? Guess I was thinking of Trevor Siemen, last years can’t miss pickup, Still I’m not liking Mannion as QBOTF.

McMurfy -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:43:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. Disco I don’t see a future with Mannion and I think Kirk Cousins is who we thought he was. Sloter may or may not be the guy in two years but right now there’s no one else.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:43:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:46:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2. I kind of get it...but the guys play better with Sloter. There's more energy. More urgency with his play. The other offensive guys PLAY better than they do with Mannion. Practice is important. but there is something to say about a QB that still make plays when the pocket breaks down and the called play goes to hell.

geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:47:02 AM)
All love then....

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 11:54:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2. Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 12:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2. Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice. The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 12:04:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2. Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice. So what should Sloter be doing on his end? This isn't just Zimmer either. He has been giving the OC the reigns. There has been how many OC and Sloter is still #3.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 12:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmer is a good Defense Coordinator, but I can’t help but feel that he has Peter principled himself into a position he does not have the skills for accomplishing the organizational ultimate goal, a post season run all the way to the Championship we all have been literally dying for. Winning it all is very tough,it takes some luck. Preparation and personnel are a key component. TBH we have all seen Zimmer, repeatedly fail, at both. Not saying blow it all up, but god damn, if he can’t see what a Kevin the minion, Mannion is, then god help us all get through the season. Honest question, based on simple decision making under game situations,I’d rather NOT have Mannion filling in for a few or many games. Would you? JMO. There are a couple of ways to look at this though....You need your backup QBs to perform well in practice to get the defense ready and to get the WRs ready for prime time. If Sloter isn't doing that then the performance of backup TEs/WRs may be hindered too. No reason not to practice better. In the scheme of things it isn't going to matter unless Cousins gets hurt (If Mannion or Sloter is 2). We are arguing over our 2nd QB who won't have an affect on the season except to get backup defenders/WR/TE ready in case of injury or very poor play. I'm more concerned about the future. Cousins likely has, at most, 1 year left with us. We should be doing everything we can to see if Sloter can be the guy to replace him. Mannion is absolutely not. I have no interest in cutting Sloter. I am talking about the posters who are worried that Mannion is #2. If he practices better I understand it completely as he gets others prepared better. Zimmer has a very valid point. Sloter is obviously more talented but which one gets others better prepared to play on both sides of the ball should be #2. Sloter is a FA after the season and has received ZERO reps with the 2nd team in practice. The talking points surrounding the justification of Manion as the #2 is a bunch of manufactured bs. If it were really true, you wouldn't see every potential Viking mouthpiece circling the wagons around Manion and parroting the company line at the top of their lungs. That's the kind of thing you do when you are trying to defend that which can't be defended. That's it. Reminds me of the 2013 justifications for playing Ponder.

geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 12:07:18 PM)
David... brilliant! He might think he has a Manning instead of a Mannion

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/26/2019 12:11:16 PM)
When Zimmer tries explaining why Sloter is not QB #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80afSxFtHE

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