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Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:40:20 AM)

Well it is what it is

Just please shore up this putrid oline this off season or I'm going to find something else to do




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:41:31 AM)

Guys I would target in free agency:

Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Lewan
Rob Haverstein
Tyler Kroft
Shaq Mason
Jason Verrett
Vontae Davis

Josh McDaniel (although I think he is the head coach in waiting)




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:47:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:48:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....

Can you people quit saying that Dalvin Cook is a star? He's not a star, folks. He's a guy.

And yes, our corners are among the best in the league........when healthy. Rhodes and Hughes are bright spots in the Spielmen drafts. Waynes is a total bust, IMO.




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:55:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....

Can you people quit saying that Dalvin Cook is a star? He's not a star, folks. He's a guy.

And yes, our corners are among the best in the league........when healthy. Rhodes and Hughes are bright spots in the Spielmen drafts. Waynes is a total bust, IMO.


I should say he has star ability. Injuries have been a concern, but you don't lead the league in rushing for the first month of a rookie season if you're not. He passes the eye test, very shifty in tight spaces, has deceptive power. I just question his patience as a runner, because Murr seems to find those cut backs more often.




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:56:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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#Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf sat in on the final team meeting today, as they do every season, and both reiterated their belief in coach Mike Zimmer and GM Rick Spielman, sources tell me and @RapSheet. "There won't be changes here," one source said.


Tom Pelissero

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1h1 hour ago


Like I said in my previous post, the problem starts at the top, the Wilf's are complete idiots!




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 11:57:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....

Can you people quit saying that Dalvin Cook is a star? He's not a star, folks. He's a guy.

And yes, our corners are among the best in the league........when healthy. Rhodes and Hughes are bright spots in the Spielmen drafts. Waynes is a total bust, IMO.


I should say he has star ability. Injuries have been a concern, but you don't lead the league in rushing for the first month of a rookie season if you're not. He passes the eye test, very shifty in tight spaces, has deceptive power. I just question his patience as a runner, because Murr seems to find those cut backs more often.

He's an average NFL running back, at-best. He's not powerful. He's not patient. He's not a particularly good receiver. Not a great blocker.

Star running backs make people miss, or if all else fails, run over them. He does neither.




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:02:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....

Can you people quit saying that Dalvin Cook is a star? He's not a star, folks. He's a guy.

And yes, our corners are among the best in the league........when healthy. Rhodes and Hughes are bright spots in the Spielmen drafts. Waynes is a total bust, IMO.


I should say he has star ability. Injuries have been a concern, but you don't lead the league in rushing for the first month of a rookie season if you're not. He passes the eye test, very shifty in tight spaces, has deceptive power. I just question his patience as a runner, because Murr seems to find those cut backs more often.

He's an average NFL running back, at-best. He's not powerful. He's not patient. He's not a particularly good receiver. Not a great blocker.

Star running backs make people miss, or if all else fails, run over them. He does neither.


If you can't see him do that then I don't know what to tell you.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:04:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

I've been saying about 5-7 things for a decade+.

1) Draft corners
2) Build the offensive line every year
3) Quit drafting diva positions when you have holes up front
4) Draft a legit quarterback
5) Don't reach in free agency
6) Get a young, offensive-minded coach
7) Get a legit tight end that can run after the catch (it's 2018, not 1820)

It doesn't seem that hard, folks. Yet, our guy manages to fu$k it up every year.


Spiels is basically following your plan.

1) Drafted Hughes and Waynes in the 1st round, Mac in the 2nd. Even found a possible gem in Hill.
2) Added OLine in the draft O'Neil, Elf, picked up Reiff and Remmers via FA. Unfortunate they're all underperforming, no surprise from Remmers he was always terrible. 6 years later the Kalil pick is still haunting us IMO.
3) Cook and Treadwell were basically the only diva positions that were drafted high. Cook is a star, even Gurley couldn't run behind this kind of line, actually look at Gurley's 2016 season for proof.
4) They drafted Teddy, the turf monster took that one away. I would have liked to take a chance on Lamar Jackson, think he will be a better passer than people think.
5) Most FAs are basically reaches unless they're depth players.
6) Brought in Flip bright young offensive mind. I assume your talking about HC, tough to do after an 11-5 or 13-3 season. Even Shurmur who is in a tough spot in NY with Eli is doing a decent job.
7) No arguments there....

Can you people quit saying that Dalvin Cook is a star? He's not a star, folks. He's a guy.

And yes, our corners are among the best in the league........when healthy. Rhodes and Hughes are bright spots in the Spielmen drafts. Waynes is a total bust, IMO.


I should say he has star ability. Injuries have been a concern, but you don't lead the league in rushing for the first month of a rookie season if you're not. He passes the eye test, very shifty in tight spaces, has deceptive power. I just question his patience as a runner, because Murr seems to find those cut backs more often.

He's an average NFL running back, at-best. He's not powerful. He's not patient. He's not a particularly good receiver. Not a great blocker.

Star running backs make people miss, or if all else fails, run over them. He does neither.


If you can't see him do that then I don't know what to tell you.

He's got four rushing touchdowns in 15 games (2 receiving). He isn't making many people miss. Even in the open field he looks pedestrian. Just when you think he's gone, he manages to find a defender to run into. Darren McFadden was the same way. No vision whatsoever. He's a marginal running back.

Saquan Barkley has one of the worst offensive lines on the planet. He had 15 total touchdowns in his first season. That's a star!




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:08:31 PM)

Nobody is an RB away.

When was Cohen for Bears drafted?

Dime a dozen.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:09:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Nobody is an RB away.

When was Cohen for Bears drafted?

Dime a dozen.

Exactly. Running backs are a dime a dozen....unless you get a real star like Gurley or Barkley. There's 25-35 guys in the league with more talent than Cook. I would pick up Kareem Hunt and start him over Cook in a heartbeat.




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:15:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Nobody is an RB away.

When was Cohen for Bears drafted?

Dime a dozen.

Exactly. Running backs are a dime a dozen....unless you get a real star like Gurley or Barkley. There's 25-35 guys in the league with more talent than Cook. I would pick up Kareem Hunt and start him over Cook in a heartbeat.


Cook would be a fantasy football MVP in the Chiefs offense.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:17:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Nobody is an RB away.

When was Cohen for Bears drafted?

Dime a dozen.

Exactly. Running backs are a dime a dozen....unless you get a real star like Gurley or Barkley. There's 25-35 guys in the league with more talent than Cook. I would pick up Kareem Hunt and start him over Cook in a heartbeat.


Cook would be a fantasy football MVP in the Chiefs offense.

No chance. Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are the stars on that team. Hunt was a better player than Cook. Damien Williams is a better player. Charcandrick West is a push.




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:30:36 PM)

Be interesting to see what Bell gets on open market.

Raiders are likely dumb enough.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:38:10 PM)

Ian Rapoport✔@RapSheet
Before #Vikings try to make interim OC Kevin Stefanski their full-time OC some competition: The #Browns have requested Stefanski for an HC interview. … Also, not only is #Colts DC Matt Eberflus getting looks, but so is OC Nick Sirianni. He’s on short lists, too, including CLE

9:20 AM - Dec 31, 2018




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 12:50:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Be interesting to see what Bell gets on open market.

Raiders are likely dumb enough.


Pat Kirwan thinks there's already a deal with some team and has been for some time.




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 1:02:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Ian Rapoport✔@RapSheet
Before #Vikings try to make interim OC Kevin Stefanski their full-time OC some competition: The #Browns have requested Stefanski for an HC interview. … Also, not only is #Colts DC Matt Eberflus getting looks, but so is OC Nick Sirianni. He’s on short lists, too, including CLE

9:20 AM - Dec 31, 2018


Funny that Frank Reich who was the Colts plan B might be starting a coaching tree already.

I'd hang on to Stefanski, tough spot for him, never called plays before, went up against a decent defensive mind in Patricia and the best D in the league. Can't see Stefanski making the leap to HC especially to an up and coming team, though they still are the Browns.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 1:09:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sad but I just had a thought that this is my comfort zone. Them losing and ultimately disappointing. If anything winning and expectations make me manic and unable to assess things properly.



what you're experiencing is completely normal from my perspective...the deeper into the postseason the higher the tension level - not to have to go through that is both emotionally disappointing and relieving....




joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 1:19:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Be interesting to see what Bell gets on open market.

Raiders are likely dumb enough.


Pat Kirwan thinks there's already a deal with some team and has been for some time.


Don't quote me, but I heard that bell is interested in the colts.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 2:07:40 PM)

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Arif Hasan@ArifHasanNFL
More Arif Hasan Retweeted Scott Kacsmar
The Vikings were the only team in the NFL this season not to produce a win from a fourth quarter comeback or game-winning drive this year.




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 2:33:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Arif Hasan@ArifHasanNFL
More Arif Hasan Retweeted Scott Kacsmar
The Vikings were the only team in the NFL this season not to produce a win from a fourth quarter comeback or game-winning drive this year.


In many ways, it was one of the worst seasons ever for this franchise. The brand of football, player intensity, and coaching was subpar all season long. The offense was just plain bad.




Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 2:34:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Be interesting to see what Bell gets on open market.

Raiders are likely dumb enough.


Pat Kirwan thinks there's already a deal with some team and has been for some time.


Don't quote me, but I heard that bell is interested in the colts.


Marlon Mack has been good for them plus Hines is solid as well, but Bell is next level comparatively. Bucs, Jets, Raiders, Eagles, Chiefs, Texans could all use an upgrade.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 3:17:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Arif Hasan@ArifHasanNFL
More Arif Hasan Retweeted Scott Kacsmar
The Vikings were the only team in the NFL this season not to produce a win from a fourth quarter comeback or game-winning drive this year.

Seems about right. I expect more of the same next year. This team as currently constructed seems to have such a fragile psyche.




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 3:18:18 PM)

Vikings never once answered the bell in a big game. Most of the time in big games they not only lost, they were embarrassed.

As an owner that is concerning.

Vikings win the division next year or it is a disaster and Speilman and Zimm are fired before the final week. I don’t see any middle ground.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/31/2018 3:30:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Vikings never once answered the bell in a big game. Most of the time in big games they not only lost, they were embarrassed.

As an owner that is concerning.

Vikings win the division next year or it is a disaster and Speilman and Zimm are fired before the final week. I don’t see any middle ground.

You mean as an owner it should be concerning. I guess we will get to see it for another year. It's going to be tough to get up for next season no matter how many great moves we make on paper.




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