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bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 7:27:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years... I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win. He's an above average DC, that's all he is.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 9:47:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp "Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped." - if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 10:58:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years... I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win. He's an above average DC, that's all he is. Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure. I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense?

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:09:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years... I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win. He's an above average DC, that's all he is. Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure. I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense? I don't think 2017 (where our defense folded in the Playoffs) makes up for this year or the disaster of 2016 - where a 5-0 start finished 8-8 and we never recovered from the Philly beat down in Game 6. I think we're "fake tough guys". We can roll people when things are going well, but punch us in the mouth and we cower.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:15:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp "Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped." - if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work It's a joke.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:20:42 AM)
The Vikings may have overachieved in the regular season with a soft schedule last year, but they I wouldn't say they have ever overachieved in the playoffs, got lucky maybe, with the Minneapolis Miracle. They certainly didn't overachieve in the playoffs at Philly. I think they certainly UNDERachieved in the regular season this year, should be starting with a new head coach next season, and the QB on a short leash.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:21:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years... I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win. He's an above average DC, that's all he is. Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure. I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense? I don't think 2017 (where our defense folded in the Playoffs) makes up for this year or the disaster of 2016 - where a 5-0 start finished 8-8 and we never recovered from the Philly beat down in Game 6. I think we're "fake tough guys". We can roll people when things are going well, but punch us in the mouth and we cower. Have we ever had an OLine that could punch back? Not in Zimmer's time here. That is Speilman and Zimmer's fault. Speilman because he thinks he can get late round OLineman like NE does and Zimmer for wanting to spend all the money on defense.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:23:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears. Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears. Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017 https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division. That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears. Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears. Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017 https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division. That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year. The only way the Bears regress is if they start having to pay some of these guys and lose others. Hicks, Fuller, Eddie Jackson and those 4 LBs are about as tough a defense as there is. The other guys aren't chopped liver either. They have addressed every part of both units. No weak spots. Maybe losing Fangio would set them back a little bit.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 11:53:19 AM)
I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL. You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term. Bears were basically lucky. I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'. Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion. looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:11:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp "Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped." - if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work It's a joke. It's a veiled threat.

Ush -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:20:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL. You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term. Bears were basically lucky. I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'. Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion. looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good. I wouldn’t say the Bears were lucky. I think their defense is exceptional and they have a very good offensive line. Trubisky ins’t great but he can run and extend drives by getting first downs in 3rd and long situations with his legs. Also, Nagy is creative enough to not lay it all on Trubisky’s throwing ability. Lots of motion, a good running game. In the first game against the Vikings, he had our defense confused for the whole 1st half with misdirection. Trubisky almost gave it back but their defesnse covers up for his mistakes. A QB can’t make a living running for very long due to potential injuries, but he will be a challenge for the next few years. As for Zimmer, this next season will be do or die for both him and Spielman IMO. Can’t imagine either of them keeping their jobs unless we make a run in the playoffs.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:26:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp "Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped." - if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work It's a joke. It's a veiled threat. An empty threat...

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:33:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25677345/vikings-mike-zimmer-no-problem-working-lame-duck-coach?platform=amp "Sure, I've got no problem with that. Free agent after that, right?" Zimmer quipped." - if thats a threat im not sure it's going to work It's a joke. It's a veiled threat. An empty threat... It is only a threat to those who are looking for more to be mad about with Zimmer to justify their feelings and narrative that Zimmer should be fired. It is a joke.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:36:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears. Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears. Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017 https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division. That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year. The only way the Bears regress is if they start having to pay some of these guys and lose others. Hicks, Fuller, Eddie Jackson and those 4 LBs are about as tough a defense as there is. The other guys aren't chopped liver either. They have addressed every part of both units. No weak spots. Maybe losing Fangio would set them back a little bit. Sure. Suddenly a team that has largely been moribund for the past 25 years and in the last four years before this year went either 3-13 4-12 or 5-11 is going to be long term solid and consistently good. Until they prove it, regression to .500 should be expected.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:40:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL. You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term. Bears were basically lucky. I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'. Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion. looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good. ??? How much did they give Diggs and Cousins this offseason. How much did they give Remmers and Reiff the prior offseason? They are not giving every dime and every draft pick to defense....it actually is pretty even....just three years ago they had the most expensive OLine....they need to spend money wiser as they spend up to their cap every year.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 12:56:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Not to look too far beyond the game and what's left of the 2018 Bears season, 2019 already projects as a considerably rougher go than 2018, the latter being the fourth straight fourth-place schedule for the Bears. Winning the NFC North steps the Bears up in opponent class. The Bears faced three 2018 playoff qualifiers: Seattle, Los Angeles and New England. Based on this year's finish, and it's a nice problem to have, next season they face six: the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles and Saints. Plus two games against the ever-irritable Vikings, who missed this postseason because of their losses to the Bears. Exactly half of the Bears' 2019 games will be against teams finishing this season with winning records. For comparative purposes, that's the same percentage as this season, when the Bears had eight games against teams coming off winning records in 2017 https://sports.yahoo.com/duly-noted-bears-facing-qb-042515619.html You know, during any given year you play they exact same schedule as every other team in your division with the exception of two games. You get the last place teams if you finish in last place for those two games. It really isn't that much of a difference with the rest of the division. That being said, the Bears snuck up on and surprised a few people this year. That wont happen next year. I definately see a regression like the Vikings experienced this year. The only way the Bears regress is if they start having to pay some of these guys and lose others. Hicks, Fuller, Eddie Jackson and those 4 LBs are about as tough a defense as there is. The other guys aren't chopped liver either. They have addressed every part of both units. No weak spots. Maybe losing Fangio would set them back a little bit. It's a big deal playing TB vs NO, and Rams vs Arizona next year. IMO, ranking likelihood of wins (vs probably 2 wins vs last place schedule). 1 win, 2 losses, 2 wins. That could be a swing of the Bears winning 9 games vs 11 games. I'm not saying its the end all be all, but as we saw this year, a tie kept us from the playoffs. Bears forced an extraordinary amount of turnovers. Just like the Jags did the year before. I also read that they were pretyt healthy this year (like we were last year). I expect regression just like the Jags D. It will be a top 5 defense still but TOs have a component of luck. If the offense improves it will balance out any (#1 in takeaways and #3 in margin) defense regression.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 1:16:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall I think Trubisky is a below average QB. He is a running QB that sucks in the pocket. Long term that has never worked in the NFL. You need an above average QB to stay relevant for the long haul. Cost too much money to pay a truck load of defenders big money to stay good long term. Bears were basically lucky. I have never considered Zimmer an overachiever. He seems to beg Speilman to spend every Fin dime and draft pick on defense. He isn't doing "more with less'. Considering the rest of the division's problems, if the Vikings don't win the North next season Zimmer should be shit canned in Mike Tice fashion. looking back, it is shocking how god awful the Vikings were in almost every single game they played somebody good. ??? How much did they give Diggs and Cousins this offseason. How much did they give Remmers and Reiff the prior offseason? They are not giving every dime and every draft pick to defense....it actually is pretty even....just three years ago they had the most expensive OLine....they need to spend money wiser as they spend up to their cap every year. True, money is even because Speilman couldn't pick a good QB on his own if he was at the Pro Bowl. Speilman seems to do fine at drafting defense, likely Zimmer helps him. Speilman's ability to draft offense and kickers is very poor. I do think Speilman is the best GM ever to have held the title for 8 years and only win one playoff game (with massive luck).

joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 1:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line. The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017. Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times. The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU. The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football. Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third. Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position. Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman I don't know about Ford. He looks a little too heavy and slow for a cornerback. But, Zim likes tall corners, so it's a possibility...

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 1:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Zimmer has had 4 different OC's in 5 years And 2 playoff appearances in 5 years... I have no idea why this guy is getting another year. 2 good years, 3 mediocre ones. 1 playoff win. He's an above average DC, that's all he is. Damn simple...he coaches up. That is why the Wilfs are willing to spend up to the cap. We have had lots of injuries and losses and made the playoffs....they underachieved this year----that is the opposite of what has happened in his tenure. I think they overachieved last year. Do you think the Bears overachieved this year or are more talented on offense (including the oline) and as talented as us on defense? I don't think 2017 (where our defense folded in the Playoffs) makes up for this year or the disaster of 2016 - where a 5-0 start finished 8-8 and we never recovered from the Philly beat down in Game 6. I think we're "fake tough guys". We can roll people when things are going well, but punch us in the mouth and we cower. In Zimmer's defense ... He took on a very bad team and improved it to a missed field goal in the playoffs his second season. At that point, the franchise seemed to be on a steady but slow arc to building through the draft, solid coaching, and small ball / mistake-free improvement. (He obviously has never been about innovation) Then things fell apart. The franchise model disintegrated. (2016) Teddy/Bradford ... a mediocre or worse OL ravaged by injuries ... a dink and dunk offensive collapse ... a defensive collapse against Philly and everybody else after. (2017) A rebound. A great 13-3 ride with Keenum and Shurmur pulling rabbits out of their hats ... Zimmer's defense playing consistently well with the help of a decent offense doing its part ... until crunch time in the playoffs, the whole team taken apart by a HOF QB taking one punch after another and then coming out for the second half throwing haymakers. (yes we miraculously escaped but with no ability to get going again in the next round). (2018) Bottomline, the coaching staff and players could not deal with adversity – emotionally, physically, and competitively – from game to game. All the talent and hard work but very little grit. We simply can't take punches for very long. Even if we luck into a great OC/OL/offensive production in 2019 – its very easy for me to see a good team on a roll next year ... putting it together ... doing some damage – I think Zimmer will always be hit and miss and outcoachable in big games.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 2:02:26 PM)
You think it is the coach that wins in the playoffs? Coaches get you to the playoffs and then you need the players to perform.....as good as Belichek is getting Home Field advantage, it is Brady that brings it home. Spielman and Zimmer thought they had the talent to win it all when they should have seen that they overachieved. You can't overachieve every year. When you have even talent between two teams it is the players that make plays....Philly made more plays than NE....Belichek didn't get out coached. Zimmer and Spielman's job next year is to get Home Field Advantage by adding a few pieces such as putting an oline together and adding a 3rd WR and fast TE that can help Cousins bring it home.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 2:16:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line. The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017. Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times. The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU. The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football. Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third. Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position. Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman I don't know about Ford. He looks a little too heavy and slow for a cornerback. But, Zim likes tall corners, so it's a possibility... [&:]

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 2:22:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer You think it is the coach that wins in the playoffs? Coaches get you to the playoffs and then you need the players to perform.....as good as Belichek is getting Home Field advantage, it is Brady that brings it home. Spielman and Zimmer thought they had the talent to win it all when they should have seen that they overachieved. You can't overachieve every year. Zimmer's job next year is to get Home Field Advantage by adding a few pieces such as putting an oline together and adding a 3rd WR and fast TE that can help Cousins bring it home. No – the HC and GM are ultimately responsible for the state of the team and overall record, and for continued bad execution by players since they control who's in and out of the game and how prepared they are. (see Treadwell) I don't object to having a down year. Having an abysmal year every other year sucks.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 2:31:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . The first round pick for the Vikings could very well be Oklahoma lineman Cody Ford. Ford said he will not go back to Oklahoma to play his senior season and will enter the draft. That’s good news for Minnesota considering that’s one more player that can help on the line. The reason I said ‘lineman’ is because Ford has the ability to play both guard and tackle. He played left guard during his 2016 and 2017 season. He then moved over and played right tackle in 2018. Ford did break his leg early in his 2016 season, and had a banged up year in 2017. Just based on his ability to play multiple positions on the line is beneficial for the Vikings, simply on how the line has the reputation to be banged up at times. The only downside to him declaring for the draft during his junior year is scouts, teams and fans only have seen Ford play one whole healthy season. But, if you were to ask someone like Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari if that was the right move, he’d probably say yeah, just because of the stellar year and attention Ford received during his junior year at OU. The six-foot-four-inch, 338 pound Pineville, Louisiana native earned himself a spot on the All-Big 12 team this past season. He was also apart of the offensive line at Oklahoma that won the Joe Moore Award for having the best O-line in college football. Charlie Campbell, senior draft analyst with WalterFootball.com has Ford as the number one ranked guard in the upcoming draft class. That’s pretty interesting considering his one healthy year he’s played at right tackle, not guard. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. has him ranked third. Again, just to wrap things up, I think he would be a good fit considering he can play both the guard and the tackle position. I’d rather take someone who can be versatile, as opposed to someone who will be stationary at one position. Oh, and based off this lil’ clip, he’s not afraid to be physical by any means. If you’re a big follower of college or Sooner football, let me know you’re thoughts of him down in the comments...daily norseman Obvious caveat: played against Big 12 defenses.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2019 2:55:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer You think it is the coach that wins in the playoffs? Coaches get you to the playoffs and then you need the players to perform.....as good as Belichek is getting Home Field advantage, it is Brady that brings it home. Spielman and Zimmer thought they had the talent to win it all when they should have seen that they overachieved. You can't overachieve every year. Zimmer's job next year is to get Home Field Advantage by adding a few pieces such as putting an oline together and adding a 3rd WR and fast TE that can help Cousins bring it home. No – the HC and GM are ultimately responsible for the state of the team and overall record, and for continued bad execution by players since they control who's in and out of the game and how prepared they are. (see Treadwell) I don't object to having a down year. Having an abysmal year every other year sucks. You don't know abysmal....Les Steckel year was abysmal.

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