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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Yeap. This pretty much sums it up (taken from your paste):

Guerin did not an outstanding job of getting a significant return for a winger who had been demoted to the fourth line and had been the subject of trade speculation dating to last season.

I agree that he "did not an outstanding job of getting a significant return" for Zucker. We got:

A. an underachieving guy that, if he sticks, won't be significant (he won't stick).
B. a much worse player than the proven 46
C. a first round pick (this is the best of the deal)

So, all in all, a salary dump and first rounder to make way for the Russian. Don't get me wrong. It was worth it but lets not roll out the parade carpet for this. Zucker was done in Minny and this was the 'haul' Billy could get.

You took an obvious typo and IMO a ridiculous take on the trade. Their #1 prospect and their FRP is indeed a haul.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Zucker was demoted to the 4th line. To get from under his contract is huge, not to mention a #1, salary relief, and free up a spot for the Russian kid. The prospect and Galyenchuck are a bonus.

Ding ding
maybe Addison pans out or he doesn't ….
maybe Galchenyuk suddenly gets it, or he doesn't …
maybe the draft pick turns into something, or it doesn't ….
we're simply not out much, at this point. Imo.
I won't be pissed at Guerin years from now about that blockbuster deal where we gave away the great Jason Zucker.
Flashy kid who built a loving fan base, showed some flash, then settled into mediocrity. See ya.
Even if he wins a Cup or two there (not happening), it's not like he would have got it done here.
He needed a change of scenery, we needed a change of personnel. Couple more to go.
And a couple internal moves needed too. Leadership of the room is big. As was said, theres some happening already. Keep going on that, too.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan
Hell, I'll die still thinking Schroeder would have produced as much as Zucker did …. if given a true opp.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

maybe Galchenyuk suddenly gets it, or he doesn't …

Nah, there is no maybe there. He is a pure salary dump and nothing more.

What Guerin did here amazes me on two fronts.

1. He convinced Leo that sustaining a team at a "just good enough to make the playoffs" level is an exercise in futility. You can't tweak this roster and make it a contender.

2. He moved an underachieving coaster, who was more interested in being a local celebrity than a hockey player and cleared significant cap space and acquired two chances at productive future players. (sorry, I still consider Addison to be just as valuable as the pick).

I would have been happy with a lesser deal, so this is great in my world.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we kept Zucker over Haula and/or Tuch....that is what still upsets me. For some reason there was this thought that only a presumed bad guy (Haula) can screw up a locker room.....We have many perceived good guys screwing up this locker room.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

maybe Galchenyuk suddenly gets it, or he doesn't …

Nah, there is no maybe there. He is a pure salary dump and nothing more.

What Guerin did here amazes me on two fronts.

1. He convinced Leo that sustaining a team at a "just good enough to make the playoffs" level is an exercise in futility. You can't tweak this roster and make it a contender.

2. He moved an underachieving coaster, who was more interested in being a local celebrity than a hockey player and cleared significant cap space and acquired two chances at productive future players. (sorry, I still consider Addison to be just as valuable as the pick).

I would have been happy with a lesser deal, so this is great in my world.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

maybe Galchenyuk suddenly gets it, or he doesn't …

Nah, there is no maybe there. He is a pure salary dump and nothing more.

What Guerin did here amazes me on two fronts.

1. He convinced Leo that sustaining a team at a "just good enough to make the playoffs" level is an exercise in futility. You can't tweak this roster and make it a contender.

2. He moved an underachieving coaster, who was more interested in being a local celebrity than a hockey player and cleared significant cap space and acquired two chances at productive future players. (sorry, I still consider Addison to be just as valuable as the pick).

I would have been happy with a lesser deal, so this is great in my world.

How do you know so little about so many things?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

maybe Galchenyuk suddenly gets it, or he doesn't …

Nah, there is no maybe there. He is a pure salary dump and nothing more.

What Guerin did here amazes me on two fronts.

1. He convinced Leo that sustaining a team at a "just good enough to make the playoffs" level is an exercise in futility. You can't tweak this roster and make it a contender.

2. He moved an underachieving coaster, who was more interested in being a local celebrity than a hockey player and cleared significant cap space and acquired two chances at productive future players. (sorry, I still consider Addison to be just as valuable as the pick).

I would have been happy with a lesser deal, so this is great in my world.

How do you know so little about so many things?

I thought your wife said you couldn't watch hockey. Go away.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Regarding Wild prospects I just looked up the top five list at NHL.com from last August.

#1 Sturm
#2 Boldy
#3 Kaprizov

I thought Kaprizov was supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Is NHL.com full of shit? How did we manage to sign Sturm Free agent? Was he undrafted and bloomed late?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Regarding Wild prospects I just looked up the top five list at NHL.com from last August.

#1 Sturm
#2 Boldy
#3 Kaprizov

I thought Kaprizov was supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Is NHL.com full of shit? How did we manage to sign Sturm Free agent? Was he undrafted and bloomed late?

Google Sturm. Google Boldy.....Google Kaprizov....prob give you just as many answers on , hmm, google.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Regarding Wild prospects I just looked up the top five list at NHL.com from last August.

#1 Sturm
#2 Boldy
#3 Kaprizov

I thought Kaprizov was supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Is NHL.com full of shit? How did we manage to sign Sturm Free agent? Was he undrafted and bloomed late?

Google Sturm. Google Boldy.....Google Kaprizov....prob give you just as many answers on , hmm, google.

True. A quick perusal of other sites than NHL shows Kaprizov rock solid as the Wild's #1 prospect. Another one that shows up a lot in our top 3 is Alexander Khovanov, also of Russia.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Guerin … "I'll tell you this, if there's any quit here, there WILL be more trades"

You da man Shooter!

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Guerin … "I'll tell you this, if there's any quit here, there WILL be more trades"

You da man Shooter!

As a player, Guerin would have skated through the end boards with no pads for a win. He wont accept anything less from his players.