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SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 2:39:14 PM)
Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 2:50:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Washington is missing a number of players, or some may play hurt. Advantage Vikings even if Thielen is out. I believe he is the only player out for our team. This is a must win, but it's really hard to imagine losing this one. I know it's a prime time game, but do you really think the Redskins are going to give their all for this one? I don't think so.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 2:59:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ambear That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be. Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/ highest % spent on defense in NFL. On offense you've got Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th. RB: 2nd and 3rd. WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson TE: 2 second rounders. QB both FA. Teddy - first Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA LBers: 1st and 2nd DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac. 5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured). 4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense 2-2 on thirds I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs. Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players. That was off top of head. Did I miss any? EDIT: Missed Teddy. I don't think we are much different than most teams. Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league. The original argument(in here) was about high draft choices and big FAs. It has evened out. I tend to break down the value of picks as: Day 1, Day 2, 4th rd (IMO the last chance to grab a decently regarded player), and rds 5-7 (a higher risk grab bag). Honestly. Since 2014 Ist rd. D – Barr, Waynes, Hughes O – Bridgewater, Treadwell, Bradbury 2nd-3rd rds. D – Crichton, Kendricks, Alexander, Hunter O – McKinnon, Cook, Elflein, O'Neill 4th rd. D – Johnson, Gedeon, Holmes O – Clemmings, Beavers, Samia 5th-7th rd. D – Exum, james, Stephen, Watts, Price, Dubose, Robinson, Brothers, Weatherly, Kearse, Odenigbo, Lee, Tocho, Aruna, Downs, Smith Watts, Epps, Boyd O – Yankey, Pruitt, Diggs, Thompson, Shephard, Bohringer, Morgan, Adams, Isidora, Hodges, Coley, Conklin, Gossett, Udoh, Mitchell, Johnson Sam Bradford?

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:01:20 PM)
Davion Davis is brought up from the practice squad. Probable WR depth for the #Vikings tomorrow night: • Stefon Diggs • Bisi Johnson • Laquon Treadwell • Davion Davis

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:03:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Davion Davis is brought up from the practice squad. Probable WR depth for the #Vikings tomorrow night: • Stefon Diggs • Bisi Johnson • Laquon Treadwell • Davion Davis Irv will get more snaps hopefully split out.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:04:22 PM)
One NFL team has never played in London - The Packers. They have avoided it at all costs. Why the special treatment? And the Packers have said they do not want to give up a home game to play there. When did one team get to dictate what they wanted, while the rest oblige? (VikeFans on Twitter)

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:07:39 PM)
On the Redskins, one corner and one receiver are studs. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHlo6kKXUAADfkn?format=jpg&name=large

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:08:43 PM)
Stefon Diggs really threw away $200,000 to fix this team. What a team player... (Vikings Central on Twitter)

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:11:06 PM)
#Vikings lead the NFL in 21 personnel usage On pass plays out of 21p, Kirk Cousins is 32/47 (68%), 9.7 yards per attempt, 6 TDs, 0 INTs, 138.7 passer rating On run plays out of 21p, Vikings average 5.8 yards per carry (Nick Olson on Twitter)

kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:21:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:33:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson One NFL team has never played in London - The Packers. They have avoided it at all costs. Why the special treatment? And the Packers have said they do not want to give up a home game to play there. When did one team get to dictate what they wanted, while the rest oblige? (VikeFans on Twitter) Pretty simple...look at all their stock holders who go to home games. In addition Jax offers to do it every year.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:51:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson One NFL team has never played in London - The Packers. They have avoided it at all costs. Why the special treatment? And the Packers have said they do not want to give up a home game to play there. When did one team get to dictate what they wanted, while the rest oblige? (VikeFans on Twitter) Playing in London is actually an advantage as long as it is a road game, in which case you get a road game at neutral site.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 3:57:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ambear That's Zim all right. Don't really give a shit as long as the guys understand where he's coming from. I just think as was stated with all that has been invested on that side of the ball, things should be tighter than they seem to be. Seems like someone posted in the last couple of months that our "investment" in the offensive side of the ball has pretty much evened up with our investment on the defensive side. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defense/ highest % spent on defense in NFL. On offense you've got Oline: 1 - first rounder, 1 - 2nd, 1 - 3rd. 2 FAs. Even throw in Samia as a 4th. RB: 2nd and 3rd. WR - 5th and URFA - Include two more firsts in Treadwell and Patterson TE: 2 second rounders. QB both FA. Teddy - first Dline: Holmes (3rd), Hunter (3rd), J Johnson (4th), Griff (4th) FA Joseph. Not sure how you want to count Stephen 7th or FA LBers: 1st and 2nd DB: 1st = Hughes, Waynes, Rhodes, Smith. 2nd: Mac. 5 firsts on defense to 4 on offense (two flamed out/ 1 injured). 4 second rounders on offense vs 2 on defense 2-2 on thirds I'll stop there but slight lean to defense, last year's draft helped balance it out. Really hurts not hitting on offense with QB and both WRs. Cap leans Defense in comparison to other teams. Draft pretty close, I'd say defensive lean. Gotta give Zim and coaches for picking and developing defense players. That was off top of head. Did I miss any? EDIT: Missed Teddy. I don't think we are much different than most teams. Click the link. We have the highest percentage of cap space dedicated to defense in the entire league. The original argument(in here) was about high draft choices and big FAs. It has evened out. I tend to break down the value of picks as: Day 1, Day 2, 4th rd (IMO the last chance to grab a decently regarded player), and rds 5-7 (a higher risk grab bag). Honestly. Since 2014 Ist rd. D – Barr, Waynes, Hughes O – Bridgewater, Treadwell, Bradbury 2nd-3rd rds. D – Crichton, Kendricks, Alexander, Hunter O – McKinnon, Cook, Elflein, O'Neill 4th rd. D – Johnson, Gedeon, Holmes O – Clemmings, Beavers, Samia 5th-7th rd. D – Exum, james, Stephen, Watts, Price, Dubose, Robinson, Brothers, Weatherly, Kearse, Odenigbo, Lee, Tocho, Aruna, Downs, Smith Watts, Epps, Boyd O – Yankey, Pruitt, Diggs, Thompson, Shephard, Bohringer, Morgan, Adams, Isidora, Hodges, Coley, Conklin, Gossett, Udoh, Mitchell, Johnson Sam Bradford? We traded a 1st round pick for him, so that is a 1st round "investment". I guess we should actually include a 4th rounder for him

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 4:25:29 PM)
I get the use of 2014 as the starting year because that's when Zimmer arrived. I still think the entire current roster should be considered though as who was kept/resigned matters as well as how many high picks were used in positions that already had quality high picks on the roster. Or it doesn't really matter at all. The offense got addressed recently (finally) and we are now enjoying what appears to be a complete team.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 4:58:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes. It’s one of those games. At home against a team that we should easily dominate both defensively and offensively. Which means that it will turn into a nail biter, that will have the neg- nellies all a flutter with fire Zimmer and Spielman chirping in the G D thread until the game is well in hand. I fear the indigenous, Potomac drainage basin football team any more than real 11th century Viking warriors would have feared the same indigenous Potomac drainage basin, loincloth and bearskin clad, “warriors” of that era. Fuq the non P.C. deadskins.. Bring it bitches.. one receiver tied behind a training table is not gonna save you from an old school beatdown in OUR house. Nome sain?

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 6:51:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes. It’s one of those games. At home against a team that we should easily dominate both defensively and offensively. Which means that it will turn into a nail biter, that will have the neg- nellies all a flutter with fire Zimmer and Spielman chirping in the G D thread until the game is well in hand. I fear the indigenous, Potomac drainage basin football team any more than real 11th century Viking warriors would have feared the same indigenous Potomac drainage basin, loincloth and bearskin clad, “warriors” of that era. Fuq the non P.C. deadskins.. Bring it bitches.. one receiver tied behind a training table is not gonna save you from an old school beatdown in OUR house. Nome sain? So are you going with nailbiter or beatdown? I say we win by 14.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 7:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes. It’s one of those games. At home against a team that we should easily dominate both defensively and offensively. Which means that it will turn into a nail biter, that will have the neg- nellies all a flutter with fire Zimmer and Spielman chirping in the G D thread until the game is well in hand. I fear the indigenous, Potomac drainage basin football team any more than real 11th century Viking warriors would have feared the same indigenous Potomac drainage basin, loincloth and bearskin clad, “warriors” of that era. Fuq the non P.C. deadskins.. Bring it bitches.. one receiver tied behind a training table is not gonna save you from an old school beatdown in OUR house. Nome sain? So are you going with nailbiter or beatdown? I say we win by 14. Only 14!!?? Oh, right, there's that damn Buffalo game hanging over our heads. I forgot what the spread was on that game. Close to the same I'm sure.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 7:44:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes. It’s one of those games. At home against a team that we should easily dominate both defensively and offensively. Which means that it will turn into a nail biter, that will have the neg- nellies all a flutter with fire Zimmer and Spielman chirping in the G D thread until the game is well in hand. I fear the indigenous, Potomac drainage basin football team any more than real 11th century Viking warriors would have feared the same indigenous Potomac drainage basin, loincloth and bearskin clad, “warriors” of that era. Fuq the non P.C. deadskins.. Bring it bitches.. one receiver tied behind a training table is not gonna save you from an old school beatdown in OUR house. Nome sain? So are you going with nailbiter or beatdown? I say we win by 14. Only 14!!?? Oh, right, there's that damn Buffalo game hanging over our heads. I forgot what the spread was on that game. Close to the same I'm sure. Being on a short week I think its bound to be ugly. Hopefully its much more but these Thursday games produce some ugly outings.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 8:12:35 PM)
Here is a good article Here is one paragraph: Finally, it's time to give the Vikings' offensive line the respect they deserve. Quarterback Kirk Cousins has the most time to throw of any quarterback in the league (average of 3.05 seconds), according to NFL Next-Gen Stats. The play of Minnesota's offensive tackles has been a big key. Riley Reiff and Brian O'Neill have been performing well in pass protection. The Vikings have the seventh-lowest adjusted sack rate in the NFL at 4.8 percent, per Football Outsiders. http://www.mnvikingscorner.com/2019/10/upon-further-review-kevin-stefanski-is.html

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 8:31:55 PM)
This is the kind of article that many of you like the best. https://vikingsterritory.com/2019/analysis/dalvin-cooks-claim-to-be-called-the-nfls-best-rb

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 8:35:33 PM)
I know that Peterson is listed on the report for the Redskins, and he apparently has both a “low” and a “high” ankle sprain. . .but I’m guessing he’ll be out there. Still, Washington has already declared five players out for Thursday, and they’re still without offensive tackle Trent Williams, who has loudly declared that he’ll never play for the Redskins again. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/23/20929619/minnesota-vikings-final-injury-report-adam-thielen-out

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 9:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Thielen officially shut down Thursday night Good decision Yes. It’s one of those games. At home against a team that we should easily dominate both defensively and offensively. Which means that it will turn into a nail biter, that will have the neg- nellies all a flutter with fire Zimmer and Spielman chirping in the G D thread until the game is well in hand. I fear the indigenous, Potomac drainage basin football team any more than real 11th century Viking warriors would have feared the same indigenous Potomac drainage basin, loincloth and bearskin clad, “warriors” of that era. Fuq the non P.C. deadskins.. Bring it bitches.. one receiver tied behind a training table is not gonna save you from an old school beatdown in OUR house. Nome sain? [&:]

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 9:03:54 PM)
It's too bad Peterson isn't going to be out there as healthy as he can be, imo! Missed opportunity for everyone.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/23/2019 10:40:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . Vikings PR@VikingsPR The Vikings defense has not given up a rush longer than 18 yards in 2019, marking the shortest "long rush" allowed by an NFL team this season. Minnesota has also only allowed one rushing touchdown this season, tied with San Francisco for the fewest in the NFL This is fascinating. Why do you suppose this is? Good tackling? That and great gap responsibility.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/24/2019 9:41:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J It's too bad Peterson isn't going to be out there as healthy as he can be, imo! Missed opportunity for everyone. I just want wins. I wish all the Washington starters were scratched for tonight.

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