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Is it possible Washington really isn’t as bad as their record shows with Jay Gruden out? I mean they played San Fran tough too. https://t.co/40mni7SLLk

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Is it possible Washington really isn’t as bad as their record shows with Jay Gruden out? I mean they played San Fran tough too. https://t.co/40mni7SLLk

IMO their record is deceiving.
Very good lines on both sides of the ball.
It was no shame they stuck with us.
They are loaded with physical, solid players.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Is it possible Washington really isn’t as bad as their record shows with Jay Gruden out? I mean they played San Fran tough too. https://t.co/40mni7SLLk

IMO their record is deceiving.
Very good lines on both sides of the ball.
It was no shame they stuck with us.
They are loaded with physical, solid players.

That seem to like leading with their helmets when they tackle.

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Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

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I don't know what Stefanski is thinking setting up screens for Rudolph. While Rudy is a sure handed receiver but running after the catch is not his strong suit and painful to watch as well. For a big guy he has no power whatsoever either.

I also have the same opinion regarding sending him on deep routes. When they tried it against Detroit he looked totally out of his element, Kliensasser (even now) couldn't have stumbled around more. The only things Irv Smith might not be as good at yet are high throws (good back of end zone plays) and perhaps consistency (Smith doesn't have enough playing time and attempts yet to prove he has more reliable hands yet). It seems to me like a no-brainer that Irv should be the primary TE unless he starts dropping a bunch of passes, but I doubt he will because he looks so fluid and natural catching the ball.

That was an emberassing display. I was shaking my head.

One would think these coaches that are on the practice field with them everyday would know what each niche a player has.

I think they probably do ...

If you were the OC of this team would you be up late at night designing plays that got Rudolph the ball behind the LOS?

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

An idea without action is just a dream.

True statement. As in fortune cookie true, i.e., may or may not come to pass or be true.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

An idea without action is just a dream.

True statement. As in fortune cookie true, i.e., may or may not come to pass or be true.

I was getting that "poster in a treatment center" vibe [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

An idea without action is just a dream.

True statement. As in fortune cookie true, i.e., may or may not come to pass or be true.

I was getting that "poster in a treatment center" vibe [;)]

That's funny ... I'd laugh even harder if I weren't seeking treatment for this dammed preoccupation as well.

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You have to think some team is eventually going to figure out how to counteract Vikes play action.
(GB in particular didn't seem to honor the fakes very much)

So it will be fascinating to see if Cousins has a confidence/comfort level that is still able to perform at this high level.

If he can, this offense can play with anyone.

I believe that a defense that devotes itself more to play action will be less effective in stopping our run game. I also think that defenses place extra priority to stopping the run game because the running game will tend to wear them down as the game progresses. A popular formula is to "make offenses one dimensional". That usually means to stop the run.

It's much easier to commit to ignoring play action when you jump out to a 21-0 lead

I think we will have a better 'plan b' when we play them next

We will see

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Warren Sharp@SharpFootball
No team has scored less than 20 points when winning a game without a single punt since 2000... until the Vikings tonight (won 19-9).

In fact, the last 10 years such punt-free victors score 40 ppg on average.

That's what happens when you insist on establishing the run.

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
38m38 minutes ago

Anthony Harris bailed Mike Zimmer out from his self-admitted "dumb" decision to go for it on fourth down last night in his own territory with an interception. Zimmer said he said thank God for Harris bailing him out.
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Mike Zimmer on going for it on fourth down in his own territory last night. "It was probably the dumbest decision I've made since I've been here.''

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
38m38 minutes ago

Anthony Harris bailed Mike Zimmer out from his self-admitted "dumb" decision to go for it on fourth down last night in his own territory with an interception. Zimmer said he said thank God for Harris bailing him out.
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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
39m39 minutes ago

Mike Zimmer on going for it on fourth down in his own territory last night. "It was probably the dumbest decision I've made since I've been here.''

I'd argue that the actual play call is what made the decision dumb.

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Cousins with the 2nd best statistical month ever for a QB. Manning is the only one with a better month.

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Cousins with the 2nd best statistical month ever for a QB. Manning is the only one with a better month.

He has been freaky good these last 4 games.

My memory sucks, but I'm pretty sure he didn't miss (accuracy wise) on a single throw last night:

23 for 26 with 2 throwaways and a Cook drop. [:-]

At least that's what I recall.

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I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

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Cousins with the 2nd best statistical month ever for a QB. Manning is the only one with a better month.

He has been freaky good these last 4 games.

My memory sucks, but I'm pretty sure he didn't miss (accuracy wise) on a single throw last night:

23 for 26 with 2 throwaways and a Cook drop. [:-]

At least that's what I recall.

You remember that but do you remember that you owe me 50 dollars?

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
38m38 minutes ago

Anthony Harris bailed Mike Zimmer out from his self-admitted "dumb" decision to go for it on fourth down last night in his own territory with an interception. Zimmer said he said thank God for Harris bailing him out.
1 reply 3 retweets 26 likes

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
39m39 minutes ago

Mike Zimmer on going for it on fourth down in his own territory last night. "It was probably the dumbest decision I've made since I've been here.''

I'd argue that the actual play call is what made the decision dumb.

Agreed. I was fine with the decision to go for it. I like it when Zimmer shows more aggressive decisions like that.

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I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

They ran it behind Kline, did Elf's guy get across to stuff the play?

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I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

They ran it behind Kline, did Elf's guy get across to stuff the play?

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/25/20932384/minnesota-vikings-washington-redskins-recap-week-8-five-game-changing-plays

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdealMiniatureAmericanredsquirrel-mobile.mp4

Play number 5.

You can see two guys come in from Cousins left, number 20 hits Cousins high, the other guy is low. Number 65 is rolling around on the ground 3 yards ahead.

IDK what Elf's assignment is, but I don't think he executed it.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

They ran it behind Kline, did Elf's guy get across to stuff the play?

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/25/20932384/minnesota-vikings-washington-redskins-recap-week-8-five-game-changing-plays

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdealMiniatureAmericanredsquirrel-mobile.mp4

Play number 5.

You can see two guys come in from Cousins left, number 20 hits Cousins high, the other guy is low. Number 65 is rolling around on the ground 3 yards ahead.

IDK what Elf's assignment is, but I don't think he executed it.

Looked like Elf flat out missed the guy right in front of him.

Like to see that from a different angle. Either way it's getting tough to justify why this guy is in there.