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Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:13:46 AM)

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One of the last areas of need coming into this season was the secondary IMO.

Holy crap!

Forget Rhodes closed, Rhodes collapsed.

After saying that Trae Waynes was even worse yesterday, and has been pretty bad all year, only being masked by how surprisingly awful Rhodes has been.

MAC Alexander has been ok until they roll him to Travis Kelce late yesterday, with you guessed it, devastating results.

Book is out on Mike Hughes. I like him, and he may end up our new #1 CB way sooner then i thought he would. He’s still not all the way back from injury, or a seasoned NFL CB as of yet IMO.

Holton Hill may have more talent then them all, but the Mary Jane May never let him fully develop. But he needs to be given every opportunity now with the Keystone cops show we’re seeing right now.

Harrison Smith can’t freakin be everywhere. Could be some coverage issues/ mistakes the average Joe fan like myself are not seeing from Smith or Harris that they had help responsibilities, and failed, but I see a lot of one on one losses, and lack of ball skills from our corners.

Stunning development that may sink or at the very least negate our gains we’ve made offensively this year.

I couldn't figure out why we wouldn't put Rhodes on him. Maybe we were worried about too much grabbing.



CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:23:34 AM)

Anyone else notice that the Vikings players seem to become less involved and under-performing in crucial games after they have been paid via a big contract?



Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:27:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

Anyone else notice that the Vikings players seem to become less involved and under-performing in crucial games after they have been paid via a big contract?

We need to get better at letting some players walk. Rhodes and Waynes are huge liabilities in the passing game. I wish we'd use Barr as an attack dog more than we do. We gotta get rid of some of these diminishing return types.



Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:28:13 AM)

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!



Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:29:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!


That is unbelievable.



Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:29:26 AM)

Griff was ballin out yesterday though! He seems to be working hard this year.



Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:30:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

Anyone else notice that the Vikings players seem to become less involved and under-performing in crucial games after they have been paid via a big contract?

This was a tough loss. Very winnable game. Some guys didn't play well.

But, in hindsight, the Philly game has become a crucial game. It might become a big tie breaker game for us. And a lot of well paid players played well.



Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 10:32:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

Anyone else notice that the Vikings players seem to become less involved and under-performing in crucial games after they have been paid via a big contract?

This was a tough loss. Very winnable game. Some guys didn't play well.

But, in hindsight, the Philly game has become a crucial game. It might become a big tie breaker game for us. And a lot of well paid players played well.

If Rhodes doesn't get right and stays on the field there's plenty of problems ahead. Waynes seems to be in position most of the time. He just has zero clue how to finish pass plays.



CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:10:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!


I missed most of the game because I was cutting down a few trees at my parents home that were becoming problems. Diggs had one catch early on for four yards and it ended that way. How is that possible with Thielen out immediately after the first series? Diggs should have caught at least five or six passes for 100+ yards. And it should have been fairly automatic. The only thing automatic about the Vikings offense is the suck they produce on the field on grass at away venues. Oh, and put the team in front of a national TV audience and the suck factor increase five-fold.



The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:16:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

At this point we can safely predict the Vikings record going forward:

Dallas - L
Denver - W
Seahawks - L
Lions - W
Chargers - L
Packers - L
Bears - W

An 8-7-1 record followed by a 9-7 record, with this roster, is inexcusable.



for me, the only game that seems a very unlikely win is at seattle...i still think we can beat the rest of these teams - even with zimmer coaching....

i'm not saying that we will beat each one of them, but i think that we're at least as good as these teams - even with zimmer coaching....


Considering how we've looked on the road vs good team in Zimmer's tenure. I'd be willing to be a lot of money we lose this weekend at Dallas. Dallas is a better team and than a Mahom-less and missing many starts Chiefs team. Dallas D is good, and I'm betting Cousins turtles up vs a good defense, with winning record on the roads.

That puts us at 6-4, and I agree Sea is an automatic loss.

That's 5 losses, I think even this team can beat Denver and Detroit.
Chicago I have no idea, we've already lost once, but it seems they are imploding, so they may have given up by the time that game rolls around.
That brings the playoffs down to beating Green Bay and LA.


Seattle have been less than stellar at home: fortunate to beat the Bengals by 1, fortunate to beat the Rams by 1, needed an OT comeback to beat the Bucs and were beat soundly by the Ravens and Saints.


All that is true, but we're still not going to beat them. This year's team just doesn't have the "it" factor that elite teams have. Throw in the fact that mobile QB's always seem to shred the Vikings D, which is already underperforming, and I could see a blowout loss. As a diehard Vikings fan my heart tells me there's still hope for this team, but this season's results have shown that this is a .500 team. We've all seen this scenario many times before.



Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:17:31 AM)

Compare and contrast Late 4th quarter play

Matt Moore, career back up, going against the highly rated Minnesota Defense
VS
Kirk Cousins, highly paid missing link to take us over top, going against the less tallented and beat up KC defense

Up by 3 less than 8 minutes to go in 4th quarter, Kirk is the man with ability to keep a great streak of winning going, pundits even mattering MVP rumors, Here is the game, on road against a winning team. Get that hideous monkey off the back and shut up even the worst critics wirh a drive, time chewing drive and maybe put up a crippling FG to win the game if not a heroic TD... What you got Kirk? A rather unpressured blunder 3 and out and punt it back to KC... ummm, ok...

Matt Moore under heavy duress even with a strip sack still finds ability to do enough to get his team in position to try a long prayer of a FG, and of course they make a 54 yarder in the wind with perfection and poise like it was an extra point ( FN extra points anyways)

Ok, now with 2:30 left on clock and game tied, its Kirk Cousins turn... 40 yards and a walk off FG to go home being THE MAN... A Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, scenerio that would surely hoist Kirk into those heights of player who can carry his team to wins on his back... Um NO... a couple first downs and we take the game to overtime... NOPE... Extra long week to prepare... Game on the line... Sheet has best plays, Two minute drill... The most honed in practice and most confident plays Kirk Cousins has in his aresnal, We get... WTF? Two short incomplete passes and a tight end screen that lost 7 yards? are you F u cking kidding me? Thats what we got for an all out game clinching drive to walk off win this damn thing witn our multi million dollar savior of a QB? Put it on your back and take us home with a win and thats what the play calls are? Thats how Kirk executes the final three plays untouched by a KC defender with game on the line?

Shanked punk and Matty Moore gets his chance, under heavy duress again from the vaunted Vikes D, he manages even with a second strip sack and under pressure, still delivers and moves his team with dangerous weapons Hill and Kelce... Keeping his poise the back up QB has what it takes to deliver and set up his team for a 44 yard game winning FG as time expires...


Lots of ways the game was lost...

ONE WAY THE GAME WASNT WON



TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:28:54 AM)

Game lost and game not won are the same thing. The game wasn't won because the game was lost.



jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:35:42 AM)

A healthy Thielan and Cousins being on, as opposed to hitting only 50% of his throws, makes a world of difference. It's a matter of getting hot at the right time.



TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:40:29 AM)

A secondary that can cover
A kicker who can make extra points
A punter who doesn't shank the most important punt of the game
A middle of an offensive line that doesn't kill drives with penalties and get tossed around like rag dolls
A front seven that maintains lane discipline and doesn't give up a 91 yard run.
A QB who doesn't miss open receivers.

A lot of things could have made a world of difference in that game. The result was a total team effort.



Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:43:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

A secondary that can cover
A kicker who can make extra points
A punter who doesn't shank the most important punt of the game
A middle of an offensive line that doesn't kill drives with penalties and get tossed around like rag dolls
A front seven that maintains lane discipline and doesn't give up a 91 yard run.
A QB who doesn't miss open receivers.

A lot of things could have made a world of difference in that game. The result was a total team effort.

Well according to our own HC Mike Zimmer, we lost the game because we didnt make enough big plays...

Never heard him mention those other points, but he did praise the opponent several times for their play...



CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:53:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

A secondary that can cover
A kicker who can make extra points
A punter who doesn't shank the most important punt of the game
A middle of an offensive line that doesn't kill drives with penalties and get tossed around like rag dolls
A front seven that maintains lane discipline and doesn't give up a 91 yard run.
A QB who doesn't miss open receivers.

A lot of things could have made a world of difference in that game. The result was a total team effort.

Well according to our own HC Mike Zimmer, we lost the game because we didnt make enough big plays...

Never heard him mention those other points, but he did praise the opponent several times for their play...


Zimmer and Spielman both so need to be fired. And then begins another half decade of waiting for a new regime to come in and make a difference. And all the experts will say, "you have to give them three years MINIMUM before you can expect any results". So now we are through the 2022 season and the same crap is being spewed both on the field and post game by the talking heads. And generations of Vikings fans continue to get older and most of the generation above myself and many others on here have now passed on. Soon, it will become our turn and the franchise will still be just as inept twenty years from now as it is presently. Oh, and we still have the Timberwolves and Wild who we can share the misery, with the Twins bringing up the rear. [&o]



bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 11:57:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!


That is unbelievable.

Unforgivable.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 12:01:16 PM)

My thoughts.

The playcalling seemed to follow the mantra "this isn't working, let's keep trying it."
The Inconsistencies of Kirk Cousins makes me even more resolute...we need to draft our next QB in the next draft and be ready to move on when Kirk's contract expires.
The DBs seem to have forgot how to cover guys, whatever happened to the DB guru Zimmer?

I have seen enough games to see how this was going to end. When the Vikings took the ball for their last drive I said this out loud. If they go three and out here they lose the game.. They went three and out, shanked a punt and then after a great sack pushed the Chiefs back, they let them get right back in FG range for a kicker that had been nailing them all day.

Big game Kirk showed up. at one point was like 9 for 22 or something terrible like that. Can't play this way.

Definition of insanity offensive playcalling. They were selling out to stop the run there had to be big open spaces in the defensive secondary for the Vikes to exploit and they couldn't.

Team loss indeed.



Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 12:11:01 PM)

When it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, woobles through the air far out of reach of intended recievers...

It isnt a F U C KING majestic eagle...

ITS A DUCK

always will be a DUCK

Ive seen the grandest of eagles, soaring high, so effortless of flight, a thing of spleandor...

We got a DUCK



Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 12:52:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Griff was ballin out yesterday though! He seems to be working hard this year.


He was inch maybe two from striping that ball and the game would of been ours.



Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 12:53:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

A healthy Thielan and Cousins being on, as opposed to hitting only 50% of his throws, makes a world of difference. It's a matter of getting hot at the right time.


The NFL is crazy that way.

Moore had a Cousins day; Cousins had a back up day.



Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 1:05:24 PM)

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/4/20947965/vikings-vs-chiefs-gmg-in-the-raw

Dont know if anyone watches those guys? I find them pretty on point with take most seasoned Vikes fans could relate to...



thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 1:20:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

A healthy Thielan and Cousins being on, as opposed to hitting only 50% of his throws, makes a world of difference. It's a matter of getting hot at the right time.


The NFL is crazy that way.

Moore had a Cousins day; Cousins had a back up day.


Damien Williams has a Dalvin Cook day...



Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 1:48:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!


That is unbelievable.

Unforgivable.


He was probably double teamed all day, given the lack of other proven WRs out there. But even still, yes 1 catch 4 yards doesn't cut it. Diggs is a guy you can occasionally throw to in tight coverage and he'll still make plays.

But then again to throw into coverage you have to do it accurately. Cousins the last few weeks has been amazingly accurate. But not yesterday. There was definitely something wrong with him or different about him. Even when he's had bad games in the past it's usually not because he's sailing balls 10 feet over people's heads.



Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/4/2019 3:06:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Diggs 1 catch 4 yards! Against a poor defense. That sucked!


That is unbelievable.

Unforgivable.


He was probably double teamed all day, given the lack of other proven WRs out there. But even still, yes 1 catch 4 yards doesn't cut it. Diggs is a guy you can occasionally throw to in tight coverage and he'll still make plays.

But then again to throw into coverage you have to do it accurately. Cousins the last few weeks has been amazingly accurate. But not yesterday. There was definitely something wrong with him or different about him. Even when he's had bad games in the past it's usually not because he's sailing balls 10 feet over people's heads.


Away game outdoors?



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