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Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 9:13:40 AM)

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.




kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 9:17:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drviking

And tell me why Sherels is not


This. Will. Bite. Us. In. The. Ass.

(already nibbled last game)




kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 9:44:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.




drviking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:11:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.



I'm calling B.S. on some of Cousins explanation. Von did not have a free run IMO. ONEill did a great job and Ham was helping before slipping out into the flat.

Cousins did look left just before the snap so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on the "not seeing the flag".


I hope its something Cousins is more cognizant about moving forward.


my opinion on it

it didnt sound like Kirk was saying Von had a free run on that particular play, but more like a general statement of IF a guy is offsides he MAY be on a free run to QB, and that he is always aware of where Von is

JMO




jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:26:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:27:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.



I'm calling B.S. on some of Cousins explanation. Von did not have a free run IMO. ONEill did a great job and Ham was helping before slipping out into the flat.

Cousins did look left just before the snap so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on the "not seeing the flag".


I hope its something Cousins is more cognizant about moving forward.

He probably(literally) didn't see the flag(Thrown by side judge).

But, he was so far off side that Cousins knew it was going to be called.

He should have chucked it deep. Maybe Diggs makes the play. Maybe we get a DPI.

He also had plenty of time to do it. He was still in panic mode (at that time) from the hits he took.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:38:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.




jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:50:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 10:59:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 11:54:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.


You mean like an INT, and then the flag is on the OL?




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 11:58:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.


You mean like an INT, and then the flag is on the OL?

I might be wrong but don't they blow the play dead on a false start?




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 12:09:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.

One would think if they had a new twist regarding the pass rush it certainly should have been used on one of those 4th down plays Denver converted on in that final drive.

We very easily could have lost that game had Allen thrown that final pass to Fant with a little more touch.

I haven't seen much creativity in the rush this season for the most part.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 1:22:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.


You mean like an INT, and then the flag is on the OL?

I might be wrong but don't they blow the play dead on a false start?


You are correct.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 1:27:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.


You mean like an INT, and then the flag is on the OL?

I might be wrong but don't they blow the play dead on a false start?


You are correct.

But, not on an illegal formation.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 2:15:38 PM)

Shouldn't be difficult for Cousins to recognize an off side on the defense.

Diggs also needs to be aware and do a fly pattern.




bongbong -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 3:30:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.

One would think if they had a new twist regarding the pass rush it certainly should have been used on one of those 4th down plays Denver converted on in that final drive.

We very easily could have lost that game had Allen thrown that final pass to Fant with a little more touch.

I haven't seen much creativity in the rush this season for the most part.



Could we have then challenged for offensive PI? It was kind of blatant, but I don't think there's been a successful challenge this year




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 3:31:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Shouldn't be difficult for Cousins to recognize an off side on the defense.

Diggs also needs to be aware and do a fly pattern.


From what I saw on Twitter Diggs was upset that Cousins didn't throw him the ball. He ran deep down the sideline and it looked like to me he was open. (not initially, but down the field)




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 3:32:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bongbong

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.

One would think if they had a new twist regarding the pass rush it certainly should have been used on one of those 4th down plays Denver converted on in that final drive.

We very easily could have lost that game had Allen thrown that final pass to Fant with a little more touch.

I haven't seen much creativity in the rush this season for the most part.



Could we have then challenged for offensive PI? It was kind of blatant, but I don't think there's been a successful challenge this year


if it were a scoring play there would be a booth review. That would be subject to the review process, but they really haven't been overturning those calls at all this year.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 3:33:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Cousins explanation for the checkdown on offsides (second hand):

KC explained Von Miller was coming free, he didnt see a flag, and Diggs was covered by the safety.


Safety was definitely over the top when I watched All Pro the other night. I'm going back to watch to see if Von Miller had a free run.


#1 on explanation should have been he didn't see (or was aware of) the flag.

Everything else is a big SO WHAT?

Launch it and see what happens.


You mean like an INT, and then the flag is on the OL?

I might be wrong but don't they blow the play dead on a false start?


You are correct.

But, not on an illegal formation.


Sure. But there is a very different look/energy to an offsides/false start vs an illegal formation.

I'm not sure I can remember any instances ever of a QB taking the free shot and it turning out to be an offensive penalty.




drviking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 3:57:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bongbong

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.

One would think if they had a new twist regarding the pass rush it certainly should have been used on one of those 4th down plays Denver converted on in that final drive.

We very easily could have lost that game had Allen thrown that final pass to Fant with a little more touch.

I haven't seen much creativity in the rush this season for the most part.



Could we have then challenged for offensive PI? It was kind of blatant, but I don't think there's been a successful challenge this year


if it were a scoring play there would be a booth review. That would be subject to the review process, but they really haven't been overturning those calls at all this year.



Can't challenge anything under 2 minutes

All plays are booth reviews under 2 minutes not just scoring plays

IIRC




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 4:07:05 PM)

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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/11/20/20973676/minnesota-vikings-win-over-denver-broncos-proved-very-little

I wonder, what exactly is Mike Zimmer getting paid to do? This defensive ‘mastermind’ can’t get his team to beat Chase Daniel, or Matt Moore, and made Brandon Allen look like the second coming of Joe Montana. He’s supposed to be a ‘whisperer’ of defensive backs. Yet, Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes, and Mike Hughes, three 1st round picks, continue to look nothing short of horrendous each week trying to defend even mediocre receivers whether in man-to-man or zone coverage, and Mackensie Alexander hasn’t looked a lot better either. I’ve asked this here before, and I’ll ask again: Has Mike Zimmer never taught these guys how to look back for the ball, or how to play it when they do? Vikings corners have TWO interceptions in 11 games, TWO! That’s it! The Vikings are 25th in pass plays allowed of 20+ yards, that’s an enormous problem. When that happens with such frequency (40 times in 11 games), that is COACHING every bit that it’s the players.

Thought this snippet from the article was spot on.

I liked this part as well:

Scheme suggestion: on 3rd down defense, the line should look like this left to right (facing from the offensive side): Anthony Barr, Stephen Weatherly, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen. Barr is much better playing downhill, and his speed on an edge rush and/or contain could prove a big difference against faster quarterback. Play Jayron Kearse where Barr would play as a linebacker, and go from there. Kearse clearly covers better than Barr. Also, please give Holton Hill more playing time, this guy has proven he can play, and there’s no way he could play worse than the current corners Zimmer chooses to field most of the time, right?

Agree 100%

Barr's skill set as a pass rusher are way under utilized.

Kearse is way better in coverage so it's a win win.

Adding some juice to are pass rush is much needed and the player is right there on the field being asked to do something he isn't good at instead.

One of the reporters should ask Zimmer about these possibilities during a press conference. Something tells me Zimmer would not respond well.


One of the assistant coaches should bring it up in a meeting. Maybe they have. In my dreamworld the coaches have talked up a bunch of this kind of stuff and see the ways they could capitalize on the misdirection and surprise of bringing out a twist like this every once in a while. Again, dreamworld here, I hope they've got this stuff waiting - waiting for the playoffs or NFCCG. So that this time it's the Vikings that are being talked about for having such a great strategy.

One would think if they had a new twist regarding the pass rush it certainly should have been used on one of those 4th down plays Denver converted on in that final drive.

We very easily could have lost that game had Allen thrown that final pass to Fant with a little more touch.

I haven't seen much creativity in the rush this season for the most part.



Could we have then challenged for offensive PI? It was kind of blatant, but I don't think there's been a successful challenge this year


if it were a scoring play there would be a booth review. That would be subject to the review process, but they really haven't been overturning those calls at all this year.


You've obviously forgotten getting screwed out of a TD at Lambeu this year. Granted they don't overturn them easily, but Fant pretty blatantly put two hands on Kearse's chest and shoved off hard.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 4:34:54 PM)

You've obviously forgotten getting screwed out of a TD at Lambeu this year.

That was NY f'n with us on a scoring review. Trekkie was referring to challenging PI. None that I know of (no matter how blatant) have been over turned. The rule was mainly put in just to tell the Saints to STFU.




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 6:42:09 PM)

Fant did push off pretty blatantly, I am thinking that they reviewed the play, as all plays are reviewed in the last 2:00, and saw Kearse did nothing to obstruct Fant from hatching the ball, so just let it play out. If Fant had caught the ball for a TD, it really would have been interesting to see what happened next. I wouldn't have wanted it, because I think this league is so f'd up, they would have done nothing and let it stand, but that was as blatant of a push off as there is. Fant clearly gained an advantage because of an illegal action against the defender, I just don't think they overturn it. (Unless it was in Green Bay {:~)




joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 7:22:38 PM)

Fred Cox died today. Not only was he a great kicker for us, but he invented the Nerf football. I remember when I was a kid, my dad drove me past his farm, and some of the outbuildings were painted purple and yellow. A Viking to the bone.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2019 8:19:49 PM)

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You've obviously forgotten getting screwed out of a TD at Lambeu this year.

That was NY f'n with us on a scoring review. Trekkie was referring to challenging PI. None that I know of (no matter how blatant) have been over turned. The rule was mainly put in just to tell the Saints to STFU.


The scoring review that we got screwed on was based on that same rule change, whether the Pukers challenged or it was a scoring play/turnover/last 2:00 of the half New York review. There was no PI called on the field, New York reviewed the scoring play, and ruled that there was OPI.




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