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bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 9:07:29 PM)
Keenum sucks.

hagar -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 9:11:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I was critical of re-signing Kyle Rudolph, but a couple things are making me think I was wrong. Reportedly he showed up in the best shape of his career. That's one, but number two is bigger for me. Reportedly he has never blocked as well as he is doing thus far this season. He did almost score a TD yesterday and did set one up with a first down near the goal line. I'm thinking that the drafting of Irv Smith and the subsequent discussions of cutting or re-sign him have motivated him and he looks the part of being a solid TE to me. Next year? I don't know. Let's see how this year pans out. I think Rudolph being such a good dude in the community was a major factor with this extension. He's a good looking white guy that played at Notre Dame. These 'reports' of his good blocking have been mentioned for years. They aren't real. He's a poor blocker - always has been. Sometimes its just easier to go with a bias. Chris Tomasson ‏ @christomasson 59m59 minutes ago Mike Zimmer on Dalvin Cook: "Dalvin's a great player but he's getting a lot of help from a lot of people. ... It's not a one-man show.'' Zimmer said Kyle Rudolph and WRs were among those to block well. Yes, why trust what I see with my own eyes when I can take the word of the coach with the abysmal record with successful challenges. Had he even watched the game back when he made that comment? Just out of curiosity, how does challenging a call by the ref have anything to do with knowing which of your players are blocking well?

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 9:12:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Was fortunate to be at the game yesterday. Dominating performance overall. Cook is the REAL DEAL. So explosive, so shifty and real speed. The Raiders went after Wilson and he more than handled himself. Got fooled once bad, but overall was very active and disruptive. Fun to see Carlson miss and the Defense control Jacobs. Smith looks to be a big addition. Fun to dominate offensive genius Gruden. Loved seeing the 1969 NFC Champions honored. Got to meet "Hardware Hank" Henry Thomas. On to the Bears. The biggest thing with Cook is you don't have to hold your blocks (like they did with AP)....he gets to and thru the hole so fast. But not as fast as Robert Smith or Moss I am not so sure (if you are talking 10 yard dashes versus 40). Cook is really fast that first 5-10 yards. Smith needed blocking also and if I remember correctly he liked the I formation also. It was tongue in cheek or as bigo likes to say, I was being swarmy. I posted a few weeks back that Cook reminded me "a bit" of Smith with how fast he hit and was through the hole. It got turned into something it was not. Cook though is lot more elusive. Don't you mean "swarthy"? I think Cook is definitely faster to and through the holes than Smith. Also I'm pretty sure we are no longer surprised to see end of the week "top speed attained" results attributed to one or more of Cooks runs, more than just the first 5 to 10 yards. Loving Cook, but for speed to or through or to the house not in Robert Smith's class. With Smith if you blinked you would never find him again. Smith probably had more straightline speed than Cook, but Cook is a better RB. Smith couldn't take a hit and keep going like Cookie Montster can.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 9:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Keenum sucks. Case has got this... he plays best from behind when he has to carry the team...

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 9:44:21 PM)
Scrubisky has some fatal flaws we can exploit The Bears D wears down and their speed can be used against them... Play a quick paced sugar huddle O with base sets that dont give a tell, heavy dose of play action stuff to outside as they flood center field, quick hitters and then choose shots down field when open... Kirk must have a count in his head, one, two... fire to receiver or throw it away...

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 10:00:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Keenum sucks. Case has got this... he plays best from behind when he has to carry the team... You were saying...

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 10:02:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Keenum sucks. Case has got this... he plays best from behind when he has to carry the team... You were saying... I was being quite sarcastic... Case was playing his ass off though you have to admit, Trevathan has been an animal on D in this game, we must have an answer for that...

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 10:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Keenum sucks. Case has got this... he plays best from behind when he has to carry the team... You were saying... I was being quite sarcastic... Case was playing his ass off though you have to admit, Trevathan has been an animal on D in this game, we must have an answer for that... Case gave us an exciting season, but Kirk is a better QB. Maybe not what he signed for guaranteed, but still a better QB.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 10:17:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Keenum sucks. Case has got this... he plays best from behind when he has to carry the team... You were saying... I was being quite sarcastic... Case was playing his ass off though you have to admit, Trevathan has been an animal on D in this game, we must have an answer for that... Case gave us an exciting season, but Kirk is a better QB. Maybe not what he signed for guaranteed, but still a better QB. Two very different styles of QBs and both have flaws in their game and both heavily dependent on the offensive system they are operating under... Neither will ever win a Super Bowl (bold but sound prediction) Q-- If Kirk never sniffs the playoffs or goes one and done, and Case took us to the NFCCG does that still make Kirk a better QB in his Viking tenure? Likely still jaded by the Cinderella Season with Case, but honestly Keenum plays with far more heart than the Tin Man could ever conjure up...

JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 11:37:12 PM)
If you think Cousins sucks, who should you really be mad at? We have a great track record identifying, acquiring and developing QB's, right? Hell, we paid Favre 13 million for his second season. Remember that one? I think I had reasonable expectations of Cousins as a Viking. Not gonna' lie, he has yet to meet those expectations. I like that we were aggressive going after a QB. I hate that we were in a position to have to. And that's the real issue. Get that slug TE off the field. Get even a mediocre #3 WR. Cousins had arguably his best season in the NFL in 2015. Yes, for the lowly Redskins. He should be better now, on this team, right?

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 11:48:34 PM)
In three games he has four catches for twenty yards.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2019 11:49:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 If you think Cousins sucks, who should you really be mad at? We have a great track record identifying, acquiring and developing QB's, right? Hell, we paid Favre 13 million for his second season. Remember that one? I think I had reasonable expectations of Cousins as a Viking. Not gonna' lie, he has yet to meet those expectations. I like that we were aggressive going after a QB. I hate that we were in a position to have to. And that's the real issue. Get that slug TE off the field. Get even a mediocre #3 WR. Cousins had arguably his best season in the NFL in 2015. Yes, for the lowly Redskins. He should be better now, on this team, right? Me thinking Cousins sucks has no causation in being mad or directing blame. He is what he is and was to this point a mistake but seen as best situation at time, Yes we as Vikings fans have a long tenure of watching our team sign stop gap type QBs and not developing our own in house talents. Is what it is... Here is why 2015 was kind to Kirk besides a decent OL Kirk was an unknown and teams had little previous tape of his tendencies! THAT IS A BIG DEAL... Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Sean McVay Quarterbacks – Matt Cavanaugh Running Backs – Randy Jordan Wide Receivers – Ike Hilliard Tight Ends – Wes Phillips Offensive Line – Bill Callahan Offensive Quality Control/Assistant Offensive Line – Shane Day Offensive Quality Control – Dave Ragone

Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 12:05:51 AM)
I just watched a replay of a TD thrown by Rogers this weekend. He hard counts the Broncos in to jumping off sides, but the problem I have is that the offensive linemen move before the ball is snapped. They (the refs) let the play go and the Packers score a 40 yard TD, but that play should have been stopped when the O-line guys moved because of the defensive guy jumping into the neutral zone. This is of course not reviewable, but it's an obvious miss by the guys in the stripes and since they are playing in GB, it just adds to the legacy of calls going the Packers way when they are at home. As soon as an offensive guy moves prior to the ball being snapped the play is dead, doesn't matter if there is a defensive linemen in the neutral zone or not, that play should have been blown dead, what were the line judges watching, hell it's an easy spot, I saw it ib a replay and they are right there on the field looking down the line, sheesh, just bad.

JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 3:15:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 If you think Cousins sucks, who should you really be mad at? We have a great track record identifying, acquiring and developing QB's, right? Hell, we paid Favre 13 million for his second season. Remember that one? I think I had reasonable expectations of Cousins as a Viking. Not gonna' lie, he has yet to meet those expectations. I like that we were aggressive going after a QB. I hate that we were in a position to have to. And that's the real issue. Get that slug TE off the field. Get even a mediocre #3 WR. Cousins had arguably his best season in the NFL in 2015. Yes, for the lowly Redskins. He should be better now, on this team, right? Me thinking Cousins sucks has no causation in being mad or directing blame. He is what he is and was to this point a mistake but seen as best situation at time, Yes we as Vikings fans have a long tenure of watching our team sign stop gap type QBs and not developing our own in house talents. Is what it is... Here is why 2015 was kind to Kirk besides a decent OL Kirk was an unknown and teams had little previous tape of his tendencies! THAT IS A BIG DEAL... Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Sean McVay Quarterbacks – Matt Cavanaugh Running Backs – Randy Jordan Wide Receivers – Ike Hilliard Tight Ends – Wes Phillips Offensive Line – Bill Callahan Offensive Quality Control/Assistant Offensive Line – Shane Day Offensive Quality Control – Dave Ragone That's a ridiculous statement. No current QB in the league has been more "tape"-studied than Tom Brady. How's that working for opposing defenses? I doubt Luke Falk's "tape" has been studied much. Struggling to find the advantage he gained. Brady is approaching 10,000 passes attempted in the NFL. What are his tendencies?

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 7:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 If you think Cousins sucks, who should you really be mad at? We have a great track record identifying, acquiring and developing QB's, right? Hell, we paid Favre 13 million for his second season. Remember that one? I think I had reasonable expectations of Cousins as a Viking. Not gonna' lie, he has yet to meet those expectations. I like that we were aggressive going after a QB. I hate that we were in a position to have to. And that's the real issue. Get that slug TE off the field. Get even a mediocre #3 WR. Cousins had arguably his best season in the NFL in 2015. Yes, for the lowly Redskins. He should be better now, on this team, right? Me thinking Cousins sucks has no causation in being mad or directing blame. He is what he is and was to this point a mistake but seen as best situation at time, Yes we as Vikings fans have a long tenure of watching our team sign stop gap type QBs and not developing our own in house talents. Is what it is... Here is why 2015 was kind to Kirk besides a decent OL Kirk was an unknown and teams had little previous tape of his tendencies! THAT IS A BIG DEAL... Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Sean McVay Quarterbacks – Matt Cavanaugh Running Backs – Randy Jordan Wide Receivers – Ike Hilliard Tight Ends – Wes Phillips Offensive Line – Bill Callahan Offensive Quality Control/Assistant Offensive Line – Shane Day Offensive Quality Control – Dave Ragone That's a ridiculous statement. No current QB in the league has been more "tape"-studied than Tom Brady. How's that working for opposing defenses? I doubt Luke Falk's "tape" has been studied much. Struggling to find the advantage he gained. Brady is approaching 10,000 passes attempted in the NFL. What are his tendencies? From what I've seen, he tends to throw 'em.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 7:46:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 If you think Cousins sucks, who should you really be mad at? We have a great track record identifying, acquiring and developing QB's, right? Hell, we paid Favre 13 million for his second season. Remember that one? I think I had reasonable expectations of Cousins as a Viking. Not gonna' lie, he has yet to meet those expectations. I like that we were aggressive going after a QB. I hate that we were in a position to have to. And that's the real issue. Get that slug TE off the field. Get even a mediocre #3 WR. Cousins had arguably his best season in the NFL in 2015. Yes, for the lowly Redskins. He should be better now, on this team, right? Me thinking Cousins sucks has no causation in being mad or directing blame. He is what he is and was to this point a mistake but seen as best situation at time, Yes we as Vikings fans have a long tenure of watching our team sign stop gap type QBs and not developing our own in house talents. Is what it is... Here is why 2015 was kind to Kirk besides a decent OL Kirk was an unknown and teams had little previous tape of his tendencies! THAT IS A BIG DEAL... Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Sean McVay Quarterbacks – Matt Cavanaugh Running Backs – Randy Jordan Wide Receivers – Ike Hilliard Tight Ends – Wes Phillips Offensive Line – Bill Callahan Offensive Quality Control/Assistant Offensive Line – Shane Day Offensive Quality Control – Dave Ragone That's a ridiculous statement. No current QB in the league has been more "tape"-studied than Tom Brady. How's that working for opposing defenses? I doubt Luke Falk's "tape" has been studied much. Struggling to find the advantage he gained. Brady is approaching 10,000 passes attempted in the NFL. What are his tendencies? Exactly my point, Brady has high talent and lack of tells and tendencies that make him a far superior QB as well as some of best coaching and game planning in league... Kirk Cousins in 2015 benefited from a solid lack of exposure and game film of his flaws as well as superior coaching that set him up for success and built confidence in that system. Brady has Belechick, in 2015 Cousinns had Sean McVay and company.... we saw what pairing a incorrect OC did with Kirks skill set in DeFlippo experiment last year. My point was it is the quality of system and coaching much of the time that a QB is operating in but that said QB must also possess skill set to make him excel. There is no comparing Brady to Cousins in that respect...

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 8:00:28 AM)
I think Kirk is going to have a great year. Why you ask? New system with Stepanski and 2 Super Bowl Coaches in Kubiak and Dennison that is helping make Cook a star(with better health to start) plus they have an improved oline and a nice fast, athletic 2nd TE and a very athletic 2nd and 3rd RB to boot. Now if Beebe, Johnson, and later in the year Doctson can provide just a little (500 yards and a few scores) it will be tough to stop this offense. Now many are still calling for Case but they forget about Shurmur.....Shurmur play calling made Case...not the other way around. Shurmur masked Case's faults and our oline, rb (after the cook injury), and lack of talent on the Oline. Everyone talks about that 2017 team but they forget the man that made it happen on offense.....it was Shurmur. He was masterful in his game plans. If you look back at one of the main reasons for not giving Case a big contract was that Shurmur was leaving for NY.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 8:03:01 AM)
Hicks suffered a knee injury last night and Gabriel left game with a concussion. Wash turned the ball over 5 times. We need to have a turnover free game in order to escape Chi town with a win.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I think Kirk is going to have a great year. Why you ask? New system with Stepanski and 2 Super Bowl Coaches in Kubiak and Dennison that is helping make Cook a star(with better health to start) plus they have an improved oline and a nice fast, athletic 2nd TE and a very athletic 2nd and 3rd RB to boot. Now if Beebe, Johnson, and later in the year Doctson can provide just a little (500 yards and a few scores) it will be tough to stop this offense. Now many are still calling for Case but they forget about Shurmur.....Shurmur play calling made Case...not the other way around. Shurmur masked Case's faults and our oline, rb (after the cook injury), and lack of talent on the Oline. Everyone talks about that 2017 team but they forget the man that made it happen on offense.....it was Shurmur. He was masterful in his game plans. If you look back at one of the main reasons for not giving Case a big contract was that Shurmur was leaving for NY. That was only a part of the equation. Case led a charmed life at a level very few QB enjoy at any point in their careers. He threw a ton blind passes, a couple where he even had back turned, that receivers were able to run down, out hustle and out fight defenders to either catch or break up.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:08:14 AM)
Beebe will undergo an MRI on his injured ankle after Sunday's 34-14 win against the Raiders, Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports. Prior to leaving the contest, Beebe muffed a punt, committed a 15-yard penalty for an illegal block above the waist, and didn't contribute anything on offense. The upcoming examination will determine if Beebe will require any time away from the field. Beebe has been a disappointment to say the least.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:35:06 AM)
I want to see what Olabisi Johnson can do. Still, I want to see lots of multiple tight end formations even more. That seems to be the strength of our team.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:37:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Beebe will undergo an MRI on his injured ankle after Sunday's 34-14 win against the Raiders, Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports. Prior to leaving the contest, Beebe muffed a punt, committed a 15-yard penalty for an illegal block above the waist, and didn't contribute anything on offense. The upcoming examination will determine if Beebe will require any time away from the field. Beebe has been a disappointment to say the least. Torn ligaments per Pelissero.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:43:08 AM)
Signing Laquon per Courtney Cronin.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:55:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse Signing Laquon per Courtney Cronin. Wow!

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2019 9:59:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse Signing Laquon per Courtney Cronin. Wow! Or Wow!

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