RE: General Vikes Talk

RE: General Vikes Talk (Full Version)

All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk

Message

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 12:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall If Ziggy thinks he might fire Speilman after the season he would be foolish to let him trade away guys that could fetch high draft picks. Unfortunately I dont get the feeling Ziggy and company have any mind for the game or personel moves from a player standpoint, They are very dependent on what Mr Spielman feeds them, and if some front office shake up happens it will be only after a huge tire fire and much contention on who is to blame. Think Zimmer and company will be the onus of blame as this was the year he was allowed to have it his way with coaches and philosophy. Spiels will try and throw Zimmer under bus for blame of season management to save his own ass if that is at all possible.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 12:12:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Pretty simple...get us the damn ball if you want to win. Put us in the game plan as you haven't much so far. Don't mind both Diggs and Thielen speaking up. Usually you don't give both a big contract and then take the ball completely away from them. Diggs had 44 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 19 so far. Thielen had 56 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 22 so far. I believe they both have achievable production-based incentives in their contracts that they are almost sure to miss that will likely cost them millions, not to mention the impact this will have on their next contract. Their point of view is likely 'I gave them a hometown discount but with incentives that would help make up for much of that, and end up getting screwed due to shitty and timid QB play and throwing less than all other teams'. This is a great thought and huge valid point! If the current offensive philosophy and QB play are going to cost them big time that would be a legit reason, not to mention both these guys have a great love for the game, and both were under dogs who elevated their careers by working their ass off and proving themselves only to see it go this way... Imagine being a team mate, knowing your QB is making a fully guaranteed pay check, eclipsing your own pay, and far under preforming, to the point it is now costing you money out of your pocket... As well as the highly competitive nature and drive these guys to not only win but be at top of their game at their positions... It is being wasted and they have every right to be vocal for change just as us fans do as well... Zimmer and company with his directive on we all need to just shut up can go kick rocks somewhere else...

Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 12:38:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Pretty simple...get us the damn ball if you want to win. Put us in the game plan as you haven't much so far. Don't mind both Diggs and Thielen speaking up. Usually you don't give both a big contract and then take the ball completely away from them. Diggs had 44 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 19 so far. Thielen had 56 targets the first 4 games of 2018, 22 so far. I believe they both have achievable production-based incentives in their contracts that they are almost sure to miss that will likely cost them millions, not to mention the impact this will have on their next contract. Their point of view is likely 'I gave them a hometown discount but with incentives that would help make up for much of that, and end up getting screwed due to shitty and timid QB play and throwing less than all other teams'. This is a great thought and huge valid point! If the current offensive philosophy and QB play are going to cost them big time that would be a legit reason, not to mention both these guys have a great love for the game, and both were under dogs who elevated their careers by working their ass off and proving themselves only to see it go this way... Imagine being a team mate, knowing your QB is making a fully guaranteed pay check, eclipsing your own pay, and far under preforming, to the point it is now costing you money out of your pocket... As well as the highly competitive nature and drive these guys to not only win but be at top of their game at their positions... It is being wasted and they have every right to be vocal for change just as us fans do as well... Zimmer and company with his directive on we all need to just shut up can go kick rocks somewhere else... These are good points. The real frustration is that when we have had the opportunity to make plays down the field, we have missed far too many of them. The game film shows many factors involved in this problem, but the result has to be frustration. I am absolutely sure that in camp this summer as the offense was being put together, everything looked as though it would be beneficial to all parties, but when you are playing for real and the lights are on, people are actually hitting the $84 million dollar QB and the results are much different then just a few weeks ago in camp. If the team were running for 200 yards a game and the WR's were splitting 150 or so yards, while winning and being 4-0, I think you hear nothing from them about frustration, but loosing and seeing poor play on the tape, makes people start to doubt the system we installed in camp. What needs to happen is going to have to come from the coaching staff. It is on them to make the adjustments to how we are being defended and make the system click, it's not something they have seen before. These coaches know the tendencies against this system, the question then becomes, can Cousins pull it off. We shall see, my observations over the past two years doesn't bode well, but hey, maybe he can prove me wrong. Truth is, he always looks more surprised when he does something well than when he blows it, that's not good.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 1:49:10 PM)
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/3/20897254/stefon-diggs-trade-rumors Here you go for a Topic Current article...

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 3:16:26 PM)
Granted the first 4 games of 2018 led to the firing of the OC....but they should throw 25-30 times a game. If Diggs and Thielen aren't getting 60% of the targets there is a problem with the game plan (15-18 targets total/game). They are not only missing on the big plays they aren't being thrown at. They are averaging 10 total targets a game for that combo. Thielen averaged just short of 6 targets a game his last 5 games last year, Diggs averaged 7 targets the last 5 games last year. Currently Thielen 5.5, Diggs 4.75 and Cousins is just short of 25 passes a game.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 5:30:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process. Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space. PFF is meaningless. We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants. Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot. Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential. He's an emergency backup. Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately. Why did they sign both Diggs and Thielen to huge, long-term contracts along with the guaranteed money to Cousins if the Vikings were going to change their philosophy to a run first offense? This is probably one of the most ill franchises in professional sports.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 5:40:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib· 56m My understanding is Stefon Diggs wasn’t in the building on Monday, either. As the Vikings continue preparation for the Giants, today is a key day to see if Diggs shows up, or if what sources have described as disenchantment with the organization continues to keep him away. Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer 16m Stefon Diggs' frustration with #Vikings has simmered, and it came to a head so far this week when deciding not to show up. Remember, Diggs did not attend a week of OTAs this spring that, while voluntary, were out of character. Referenced "house problems" then. No surprise there is team dissension in the Vikings locker room. The Vikings treat ignorance as bliss.

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 6:38:14 PM)
Cook is a very gifted RB. Zimmer wants his defense to benefit from some long sustained drives. Our OL run blocks better than it pass protects? Our QB play has been very mediocre. Zimmer is old school. Some of the reasons he was running the ball more. Cook couldn't do much against the Bears defense, yet it appeared our WR's we're open a few times. We have gifted WR's that need to be used. OL must pick up it's game and Cousins needs to play aggressive and throw with confidence. Expect to see a lot more passing Sunday.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 6:39:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib· 56m My understanding is Stefon Diggs wasn’t in the building on Monday, either. As the Vikings continue preparation for the Giants, today is a key day to see if Diggs shows up, or if what sources have described as disenchantment with the organization continues to keep him away. Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer 16m Stefon Diggs' frustration with #Vikings has simmered, and it came to a head so far this week when deciding not to show up. Remember, Diggs did not attend a week of OTAs this spring that, while voluntary, were out of character. Referenced "house problems" then. No surprise there is team dissension in the Vikings locker room. The Vikings treat ignorance as bliss. Shouldn't you be over on the Twins threads while they're getting swept by the Yankees?

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 7:03:41 PM)
The Bears were favored to win all 4 of their games, 2 home, 2 on the road against bottom feeders. They only won 3 of those games. The Packers were favored to win 3 of their 4 games, and have won 3. The Vikes were favored to win 2 games, dogs in 2. Won the 2 they were supposed to win, lost the 2 they were supposed to win. It's hardly time for the mass bridge jumping we are seeing. Most people understood that with a new blocking scheme and 3 positions with new starters, the OL would be something of a work in progress until around midseason. It's been good enough against weaker opponents early on. The Vikings should be favored to win the next 4 games. Do that, and we are talking 6-2 after 8 games. And potentially the OL could be rounding into form by then, by the time we roll into KC with a 10 day break people could well be singing a different tune. Who knows, maybe Samia and/or Udoh are contributing by then.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 7:09:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process. Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space. PFF is meaningless. We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants. Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot. Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential. He's an emergency backup. Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately. Why did they sign both Diggs and Thielen to huge, long-term contracts along with the guaranteed money to Cousins if the Vikings were going to change their philosophy to a run first offense? This is probably one of the most ill franchises in professional sports. Did I mention it's been 29 years since the Twins won more than 1 game in a playoff series?

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 7:10:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo The Bears were favored to win all 4 of their games, 2 home, 2 on the road against bottom feeders. They only won 3 of those games. The Packers were favored to win 3 of their 4 games, and have won 3. The Vikes were favored to win 2 games, dogs in 2. Won the 2 they were supposed to win, lost the 2 they were supposed to win. It's hardly time for the mass bridge jumping we are seeing. Most people understood that with a new blocking scheme and 3 positions with new starters, the OL would be something of a work in progress until around midseason. It's been good enough against weaker opponents early on. The Vikings should be favored to win the next 4 games. Do that, and we are talking 6-2 after 8 games. And potentially the OL could be rounding into form by then, by the time we roll into KC with a 10 day break people could well be singing a different tune. Who knows, maybe Samia and/or Udoh are contributing by then. I'm in!

joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 7:53:53 PM)
A win on Sunday will stop a lot of the agita that we are currently feeling about our team, but the issues that were exposed last Sunday still have to be fixed in. Captain Kirk has to throw the ball without thinking, and the receivers have to hold onto the ball when it gets to them.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 8:02:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process. Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space. PFF is meaningless. We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants. Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot. Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential. He's an emergency backup. Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately. Why did they sign both Diggs and Thielen to huge, long-term contracts along with the guaranteed money to Cousins if the Vikings were going to change their philosophy to a run first offense? This is probably one of the most ill franchises in professional sports. Did I mention it's been 29 years since the Twins won more than 1 game in a playoff series? They beat the A's 3 games to 2 in 2002, so 17 years, a long time.

geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 8:41:26 PM)
Quiet in here given the circumstances... Giants loss... Shit hits fan....

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:26:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Quiet in here given the circumstances... Giants loss... Shit hits fan.... It sure seems like a Viking loss would be devastating, considering it's a rookie QB, a team with much less overall talent, and our former very well-liked offensive coordinator. Getting out-coached in this game would be a bad look.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process. Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space. PFF is meaningless. We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants. Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot. Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential. He's an emergency backup. Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately. Why did they sign both Diggs and Thielen to huge, long-term contracts along with the guaranteed money to Cousins if the Vikings were going to change their philosophy to a run first offense? This is probably one of the most ill franchises in professional sports. And then top it off by extending Rudolph.... That is the real head scratcher.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo The Bears were favored to win all 4 of their games, 2 home, 2 on the road against bottom feeders. They only won 3 of those games. The Packers were favored to win 3 of their 4 games, and have won 3. The Vikes were favored to win 2 games, dogs in 2. Won the 2 they were supposed to win, lost the 2 they were supposed to win. It's hardly time for the mass bridge jumping we are seeing. Most people understood that with a new blocking scheme and 3 positions with new starters, the OL would be something of a work in progress until around midseason. It's been good enough against weaker opponents early on. The Vikings should be favored to win the next 4 games. Do that, and we are talking 6-2 after 8 games. And potentially the OL could be rounding into form by then, by the time we roll into KC with a 10 day break people could well be singing a different tune. Who knows, maybe Samia and/or Udoh are contributing by then. I didn't expect to Win in CHI, but when Trubisky went down on the first drive I expected better than we got. I think Zimmer gets out-coached by the brightest coaches. He won't bring us to the promise land. I'm done with Spielman too.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:50:23 PM)
What exactly has Barr accomplished since his early splash in game 1? He disappears to much for a guy of his talent/cost, but we knew that didn't we, before the new contract. Barr should be sent after the QB with high frequency. That is when he is the most effective. Not sure if his lack of production is on him solely or if Zimmer's not using him properly.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:50:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Jones was horrible last year. If he was better this preseason, maybe (or maybe not, true) it's because he's a vet reserve playing against young guys and/or guys who can't actually play in the league. Bradbury obviously has some issues, but he does good things, particularly in the run game, too. One of the best things about the Patriots is that they use the early part of the regular season to actually get better. Even as critical as I've been of the OLine over the years, I think it's likely they will improve significantly over the course of this season; whether they improve enough, soon enough remains to be seen. Bradbury should get better this year and next year; replacing him with a bad player won't help that process. Jones didn't play well in two and a half games last year. The prior year (2017), PFF gave him their 3rd highest pass-blocking grade for a center (83.2) as a 13-game starter. Giants got rid of him to clear cap space. PFF is meaningless. We gave the Giants a 7th rd pick for Jones (or he would have been released). That was his veteran worth to us and the Giants. Jones stunk it up in the three games he played last year. Then he backed up Elflein who had a terrible season. It's not like Jones played or practiced well enough to get another shot. Then we released him in Sept. We resigned him a week later but that is not the path you take when a team values your starting potential. He's an emergency backup. Our team doesn't value getting the ball into our playmakers hands on offense either. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what this team values as far as how right or wrong it is. Things we do are strange lately. Why did they sign both Diggs and Thielen to huge, long-term contracts along with the guaranteed money to Cousins if the Vikings were going to change their philosophy to a run first offense? This is probably one of the most ill franchises in professional sports. Did I mention it's been 29 years since the Twins won more than 1 game in a playoff series? They beat the A's 3 games to 2 in 2002, so 17 years, a long time. My bad! [:o]

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 9:54:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall If Ziggy thinks he might fire Speilman after the season he would be foolish to let him trade away guys that could fetch high draft picks. Unfortunately I dont get the feeling Ziggy and company have any mind for the game or personel moves from a player standpoint If only we could trade the Wilfs for Daniel Snyder, maybe throw in a couple 1st round picks.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/3/2019 10:23:18 PM)
In that scenario, if Sloter did well, Zimmer/Spielman would look like imbeciles in terms of their ability to evaluate QB talent and get good value. But if success is the bottom line, wouldn't they be ok with admitting they whiffed on Cousins like they did with Bradford, and accept what nearly worked in the past with Keenum, do the same thing with Sloter, except the young Sloter takes them farther than Keenum. They would look like the Eagles winning with Foles, and look smart for having a good backup plan.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/4/2019 6:06:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty In that scenario, if Sloter did well, Zimmer/Spielman would look like imbeciles in terms of their ability to evaluate QB talent and get good value. But if success is the bottom line, wouldn't they be ok with admitting they whiffed on Cousins like they did with Bradford, and accept what nearly worked in the past with Keenum, do the same thing with Sloter, except the young Sloter takes them farther than Keenum. They would look like the Eagles winning with Foles, and look smart for having a good backup plan. If they had kept him, an ideal time to have tried Sloter in a real game would have been after Cousins' fumble at the beginning of the second half. The offense had done next to nothing at that point, and even though the score wasn't out of hand, it seemed as though there was little hope of a comeback. Sure would have been fun to watch, and it would have provided a lot of insight into Sloter's true ability, going against a solid NFL defense. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/4/2019 7:34:14 AM)
I don't think spielman has a lot of input into our final roster or who we keep on the squad

McMurfy -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/4/2019 7:46:33 AM)
Every week I like the Vikings and the NFL, less and less. Coaching and Management right now are a joke. The Light Purple Uniforms look lame. The ‘80s offense stinks. Instant replay and Pass Interference are almost as bad as the announcers, all three are way too much of the experience. NFL Guy and Anti-NFL Guy(Think Kapernick) have taken all of the fun out of the game. That includes a few blowhards in here, Last but not least, Minnesota hasn’t had decent QBing in way too long.

Page: << < prev 67 68 [69] 70 71 next > >>

Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode