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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

If new coach brings in his own DC he may want to bring in new pieces to implement what he emphasizes.

ie.. Wade Phillips runs a 3-4

Definitely. Phillips runs a 3-4 and is probably under contract beyond this season. I was just illustrating guys out there who are veteran defensive coaches who are usually obtainable. Frazier is a good example of someone very average. I think he got his shot here because we were still experiencing fear of missing out over Tomlin. Zimmer has just been a major disappointment to me. It's hard to be a Parcells clone in today's NFL. These young guys can't (and won't take the verbal abuse). So it doesn't matter if it was once effective (not to mention allowed) to grab a guy by his facemask in practice and tear into him. It simply isn't now. Guys used to respond to it by getting fired up. We don't live in that world today. The game has passed him by.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

I would really like to know who HAD to keep Kyle Rudolph on the team this year?

Is Rudy a Zimmer guy? Was it Zimmer or Spiels who didnt want to let him walk and pulled the trigger to keep him here?

Kyle Rudolph, who for around $9M this year has five receptions for 32 yards?

Seems Rudy and Cousins do not have a great off field relationship so one has to wonder why he was such a target to return when we had just drafted his successor as well. Plus the regime and coaching had to have been brewing plans for their run heavy 70s style offense that has diminished all the receivers 2019 returns.

As well there was all that smoke after camp that Kirk was so on page and now ready to "trust" Rudolph this year compared to last...

Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins says he's gaining more confidence in his offense and Rudolph as he has progressed since last season in building a rapport with him.
“The more you do it, the more you see it, and the more you realize that’s a strength of his. I guess I look back and regret a little bit not doing that more with him last year, and then, hopefully looking forward to giving him more opportunities to make you right, when everything within you is telling you, ‘He’s really not open, but let’s give him a shot.’ ”


In hindsight just another head scratcher why we didnt move on and use the cap space in more appropriate team needs..

What makes you say Rudy and Cousins don't have a great relationship off the field? Unless one or the other has said it, this is just more bulllshit speculation but a fan with an agenda. We now seem to accept it as fact that Cousins/Zimmer couldn't tolerate the presence of Sloter on the roster, so he was cut even though he's clearly superior.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

If new coach brings in his own DC he may want to bring in new pieces to implement what he emphasizes.

ie.. Wade Phillips runs a 3-4

Definitely. Phillips runs a 3-4 and is probably under contract beyond this season. I was just illustrating guys out there who are veteran defensive coaches who are usually obtainable. Frazier is a good example of someone very average. I think he got his shot here because we were still experiencing fear of missing out over Tomlin. Zimmer has just been a major disappointment to me. It's hard to be a Parcells clone in today's NFL. These young guys can't (and won't take the verbal abuse). So it doesn't matter if it was once effective (not to mention allowed) to grab a guy by his facemask in practice and tear into him. It simply isn't now. Guys used to respond to it by getting fired up. We don't live in that world today. The game has passed him by.

Exactly right on, you cannot coach todays players in that way, so all Zimmer is left with is false bravado and lots of red faced screaming...

Many players seem to have just turned him off... he doesntr seem to be raising moral, firing guys up or instilling into teams what they need on game day. The game has likely passed him by and his strengths are not helping this team much overall, we NEED A HEAD COACH !

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

If new coach brings in his own DC he may want to bring in new pieces to implement what he emphasizes.

ie.. Wade Phillips runs a 3-4

Definitely. Phillips runs a 3-4 and is probably under contract beyond this season. I was just illustrating guys out there who are veteran defensive coaches who are usually obtainable. Frazier is a good example of someone very average. I think he got his shot here because we were still experiencing fear of missing out over Tomlin. Zimmer has just been a major disappointment to me. It's hard to be a Parcells clone in today's NFL. These young guys can't (and won't take the verbal abuse). So it doesn't matter if it was once effective (not to mention allowed) to grab a guy by his facemask in practice and tear into him. It simply isn't now. Guys used to respond to it by getting fired up. We don't live in that world today. The game has passed him by.

Exactly right on, you cannot coach todays players in that way, so all Zimmer is left with is false bravado and lots of red faced screaming...

Many players seem to have just turned him off... he doesntr seem to be raising moral, firing guys up or instilling into teams what they need on game day. The game has likely passed him by and his strengths are not helping this team much overall, we NEED A HEAD COACH !

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There is zero evidence that the team has "tuned Zimmer out" nor evidence that he has lost the locker room.

While his methods might be "old school" I see little reason to believe the team is sabotaged.

The problem to me is plain as day. Our QB has to play better. He needs to throw the ball down field to our cash cow wr's.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

If new coach brings in his own DC he may want to bring in new pieces to implement what he emphasizes.

ie.. Wade Phillips runs a 3-4

Definitely. Phillips runs a 3-4 and is probably under contract beyond this season. I was just illustrating guys out there who are veteran defensive coaches who are usually obtainable. Frazier is a good example of someone very average. I think he got his shot here because we were still experiencing fear of missing out over Tomlin. Zimmer has just been a major disappointment to me. It's hard to be a Parcells clone in today's NFL. These young guys can't (and won't take the verbal abuse). So it doesn't matter if it was once effective (not to mention allowed) to grab a guy by his facemask in practice and tear into him. It simply isn't now. Guys used to respond to it by getting fired up. We don't live in that world today. The game has passed him by.

Exactly right on, you cannot coach todays players in that way, so all Zimmer is left with is false bravado and lots of red faced screaming...

Many players seem to have just turned him off... he doesntr seem to be raising moral, firing guys up or instilling into teams what they need on game day. The game has likely passed him by and his strengths are not helping this team much overall, we NEED A HEAD COACH !

Pot, meet kettle........

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There is zero evidence that the team has "tuned Zimmer out" nor evidence that he has lost the locker room.

While his methods might be "old school" I see little reason to believe the team is sabotaged.

The problem to me is plain as day. Our QB has to play better. He needs to throw the ball down field to our cash cow wr's.

With some fn high dollar accuracy... he has overthrown wide open receivers at every depth of field..

kC is far from showing me he has the ability or touch to “make all the throws”....

Buy the damn 84 million dollar man some fn contacts or get him some lasic surgery...

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So here's my main question. How do you replace Zimmer and not go backwards on defense? If we we fire him, we are truly stepping into the unknown. I agree that he is a very one-dimensional coach; basically a promoted defensive coordinator that never grew into a good head coach. Still, the devil you know.

Then again, we could probably poach a proven defensive mind at the end of a contract (Wade Phillips comes to mind) and then shoot for a younger, more open mind as head coach.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There is zero evidence that the team has "tuned Zimmer out" nor evidence that he has lost the locker room.

While his methods might be "old school" I see little reason to believe the team is sabotaged.

The problem to me is plain as day. Our QB has to play better. He needs to throw the ball down field to our cash cow wr's.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

So here's my main question. How do you replace Zimmer and not go backwards on defense? If we we fire him, we are truly stepping into the unknown. I agree that he is a very one-dimensional coach; basically a promoted defensive coordinator that never grew into a good head coach. Still, the devil you know.

Then again, we could probably poach a proven defensive mind at the end of a contract (Wade Phillips comes to mind) and then shoot for a younger, more open mind as head coach.

Just keep spending the bulk of the top picks on defense?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There is zero evidence that the team has "tuned Zimmer out" nor evidence that he has lost the locker room.

While his methods might be "old school" I see little reason to believe the team is sabotaged.

The problem to me is plain as day. Our QB has to play better. He needs to throw the ball down field to our cash cow wr's.

There was the rumors that the defense 'went rogue' for a period in 2016? There were also rumors that the defense figured it out on the field during the 2017 NFCCG that they were being 'schemed'. The two best WRs on the team are talking to the media about their displeasure with the offense. How many OCs have been fired?

There is more than zero evidence.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

So here's my main question. How do you replace Zimmer and not go backwards on defense? If we we fire him, we are truly stepping into the unknown. I agree that he is a very one-dimensional coach; basically a promoted defensive coordinator that never grew into a good head coach. Still, the devil you know.

Then again, we could probably poach a proven defensive mind at the end of a contract (Wade Phillips comes to mind) and then shoot for a younger, more open mind as head coach.

Just keep spending the bulk of the top picks on defense?

It's not as lop sided as you think.

Defense and offense both have a mix of high picks, mid round and late round picks. And high priced FAs.

Still time to put it all together.

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Zimmer interview 2017 season...

What do you know now as a head coach you couldn’t possibly know without experiencing it?


I’m really lucky that (general manager) Rick (Spielman) handles a lot of stuff that I don’t want to deal with, but there’s a lot of things ancillary. I’ve dealt with the press many times, but when you’re a head coach it’s every day. And game management stuff. I was always a guy who was going to get the defense to play the best it could and whatever the offense does, the offense does. I’m not going to worry about it. I’m going to do my job. More of those things become a lot more involved, like dealing with analytics.

So you don’t want to include personnel decisions at any point?

I really don’t. Rick and I will have disagreements with that, but we don’t that much. He gets his little favorites. I get my favorites.

So maybe Rick Spielman manages this team and its personnel moves more than most realize?

Anyone agree you could easily read between the lines and surmise that Rick makes all the offensive player personnel decisions and Zimmer gets some "favorites" or input on his specialty, Defense?

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Reboot?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0SuPHU9-pE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR33buKXF5G3XsPqEXf5bgIbVV2ZEz_Ha0QoTdx-0dhe6jkj-_KnNGaP49I

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There is zero evidence that the team has "tuned Zimmer out" nor evidence that he has lost the locker room.

While his methods might be "old school" I see little reason to believe the team is sabotaged.

The problem to me is plain as day. Our QB has to play better. He needs to throw the ball down field to our cash cow wr's.

There was the rumors that the defense 'went rogue' for a period in 2016? There were also rumors that the defense figured it out on the field during the 2017 NFCCG that they were being 'schemed'. The two best WRs on the team are talking to the media about their displeasure with the offense. How many OCs have been fired?

There is more than zero evidence.

You are reading into those problems and jumping from the secondary went rogue or Diggs wants to be traded ... to the secondary went rogue because of Zimmer and Diggs wants to be traded because of Zimmer ...

It could be spot on but you don't know that. Every team that doesn't makes it to the Super Bowl (and even some that do) have conflicts and problems.

Zimmer is directly the cause for a lot the team's problems / mistakes and gets responsibility for how good or bad the team is. Which puts him on real shaky ground right now.

But ... there is nothing out there (but conspiracy theories by people that don't like Zimmer) to suggest the locker room is in chaos or the team has turned on Zimmer.

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The Bears were favored to win all 4 of their games, 2 home, 2 on the road against bottom feeders. They only won 3 of those games.

The Packers were favored to win 3 of their 4 games, and have won 3.

The Vikes were favored to win 2 games, dogs in 2. Won the 2 they were supposed to win, lost the 2 they were supposed to win.

It's hardly time for the mass bridge jumping we are seeing.

Most people understood that with a new blocking scheme and 3 positions with new starters, the OL would be something of a work in progress until around midseason. It's been good enough against weaker opponents early on. The Vikings should be favored to win the next 4 games. Do that, and we are talking 6-2 after 8 games. And potentially the OL could be rounding into form by then, by the time we roll into KC with a 10 day break people could well be singing a different tune. Who knows, maybe Samia and/or Udoh are contributing by then.

If we continue to just meet Vegas expectations, we will be mediocre. You get that, right?

Personally, I don't think we are as good as we looked vs. Atlanta, and I don't think we are as bad as we looked at Chicago.

Just based on personnel, we are good enough to destroy bad teams. Our football philosophy will always hold us back against good teams.

Rudolph should not even be on a NFL roster. Who is our #3 WR? Are you kidding me? You need more than two.

Josh Reynolds replaces the injured Kupp last season. How did he look? And since I'm speaking of the Rams, how much better are Everett and Higbee than Rudolph? And, prior to last night, the Rams don't throw much to the TE's.

If you don't have a multitude of players that can tax a secondary, you're behind the curve.
As much as you wish it to be, we are not going to run and stop the run to the Super Bowl.

It's also really embarrassing that we called a timeout when the Bears were trying to take a penalty and punt. I expect a NFL HC should be more aware of the situation and rules.

Zimmer is not what you think he is. He reminds me so much of Leslie Frazier, except Zimmer is a "tough guy" and Frazier was a "nice guy".

We will destroy the Giants. They are NOT good. It took them five years too long to find out Manning sucks. Who wants to bench a Manning?

We can get shit right Sunday, if Zimmer lets us. Beat 'em. Run on them, pass on them, blow them out. Don't sit on your stupid one score lead. Let the players shine. They need it. Let 'em have some fun and just beat the shit outta' somebody.

IF we continue to meet Vegas expectations, we'll be 6-2 after 8 games. So, there is that.

The other 90% of your post, I'd be curious as to who you are responding to/arguing with? Just venting?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

So here's my main question. How do you replace Zimmer and not go backwards on defense? If we we fire him, we are truly stepping into the unknown. I agree that he is a very one-dimensional coach; basically a promoted defensive coordinator that never grew into a good head coach. Still, the devil you know.

Then again, we could probably poach a proven defensive mind at the end of a contract (Wade Phillips comes to mind) and then shoot for a younger, more open mind as head coach.

Just keep spending the bulk of the top picks on defense?

It's not as lop sided as you think.

Defense and offense both have a mix of high picks, mid round and late round picks. And high priced FAs.

Still time to put it all together.

Our #4 CB is a first rounder. Big contracts to smith, Barr, Kendrick’s, hunter, griffin and linval. You and I could coach this defense into the top half of the league.