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thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 9:35:53 AM)
Who would have thunk that after 5 games Atnalta would be the only team the Vikings have played with a losing record?

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 9:41:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo Who would have thunk that after 5 games Atnalta would be the only team the Vikings have played with a losing record? Giants

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 9:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro PA's partner was praising Kline multiple times. Yet Kline's PFF grade wasn't very good either. My own Kline grade was pretty low based on pass blocking. He gets pushed into Cousin's lap way too easily. It's really a stark contrast when the Vikings roll out on the play fake vs. using a straight drop. Cousins doesn't have the quickest drop back and the middle of the line does not hold off the inside pass rush for very long. I didn't view the game so just leaning on comments they were making. I think he was complementy Kline more on his ability to consistently get to the 2nd level blocking in the run game.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 10:30:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro PA's partner was praising Kline multiple times. Yet Kline's PFF grade wasn't very good either. My own Kline grade was pretty low based on pass blocking. He gets pushed into Cousin's lap way too easily. It's really a stark contrast when the Vikings roll out on the play fake vs. using a straight drop. Cousins doesn't have the quickest drop back and the middle of the line does not hold off the inside pass rush for very long. I didn't view the game so just leaning on comments they were making. I think he was complementy Kline more on his ability to consistently get to the 2nd level blocking in the run game. I know. You were just pointing out the contrasting opinions. I agree that the line as a whole is much, much better at run blocking than pass blocking. The gaps are there for all of our runners, not just Cook.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 10:39:07 AM)
Bisi Johnson's stride length looks the same regardless of his route, helps deceive defender, according to Stefanski.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 10:39:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo Who would have thunk that after 5 games Atnalta would be the only team the Vikings have played with a losing record? Conversely, the media is swooning over the 5-0 Patriots. They have played A hobbled Roethlisberger with no Bell, or Brown (this team is clearly not the Steelers most would expect) The Jets with a 3rd string QB starting The Dolphins who are trying to lose The Redskins who just find new and exciting ways to suck every year and just fired their coach after starting 0-5 and the Bills, who gave them something of a game is the only winning team (4-1) on the schedule thusfar. Combined record of the other 4 teams thusfar? 1-17

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 10:40:05 AM)
I don't think he's peaked yet. Not even 25!!!! https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/10/7/20903955/danielle-hunter-tied-significant-nfl-record-most-sacks-before-25-minnesota-vikings Most team friendly contract on the team, imo.

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:07:30 AM)
Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:10:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. KG will be buy in a minute to tell us how he's dominating in run blocking.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:35:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. Same place he was last season with the exception of the one Detroit game.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:36:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro PA's partner was praising Kline multiple times. Yet Kline's PFF grade wasn't very good either. My own Kline grade was pretty low based on pass blocking. He gets pushed into Cousin's lap way too easily. It's really a stark contrast when the Vikings roll out on the play fake vs. using a straight drop. Cousins doesn't have the quickest drop back and the middle of the line does not hold off the inside pass rush for very long. I didn't view the game so just leaning on comments they were making. I think he was complementy Kline more on his ability to consistently get to the 2nd level blocking in the run game. I know. You were just pointing out the contrasting opinions. I agree that the line as a whole is much, much better at run blocking than pass blocking. The gaps are there for all of our runners, not just Cook. It's really hard to make a good assessment of an O line player in live action. When we played the Falcons I was screaming for Eflein to be benched. Turns out it was Bradbury most of the time causing the problems.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. More like 'where's Swirvin Irvin'? Rudy continues to get the largest share of snaps while Smith Jr. only gets in about half of them. He's a superior receiver and AT A MINIMUM blocks just as well as Rudy.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:43:28 AM)
Our offense has been maligned, but check this out. https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1181602736388874246/photo/1 Also, two of the teams on the list of the fewest big plays have faced our defense.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:46:41 AM)
This is interesting! Check out the story about the game in 1964. https://twitter.com/ViktorTheViking/status/1181593592864763904/photo/1

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 11:49:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. More like 'where's Swirvin Irvin'? Rudy continues to get the largest share of snaps while Smith Jr. only gets in about half of them. He's a superior receiver and AT A MINIMUM blocks just as well as Rudy. Game 1: Rudy 100%, Smith 48% Game 2: Rudy 100%, Smith 42% Game 3: Rudy 87%, Smith 49% Game 4: Rudy 84%, Smith 47% Game 5: Rudy 90%, Smith 51% Smith: 6 targets, 5 receptions, 64 yards, 12.8 yards/reception. Rudy: 8 targets, 6 receptions, 36 yards, 6 yards/reception. We're clearly not targeting the TE position enough (2/game), and we're absolutely not using Smith nearly as much as we should.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:06:45 PM)
By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see.

Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:09:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see. There's obviously the learning curve with the new offense, but it's only a matter of time Smith will be the TE1. My guess is right after the bye, there's no way the coaches don't see this game in and game out plus practice.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:11:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro PA's partner was praising Kline multiple times. Yet Kline's PFF grade wasn't very good either. My own Kline grade was pretty low based on pass blocking. He gets pushed into Cousin's lap way too easily. It's really a stark contrast when the Vikings roll out on the play fake vs. using a straight drop. Cousins doesn't have the quickest drop back and the middle of the line does not hold off the inside pass rush for very long. I didn't view the game so just leaning on comments they were making. I think he was complementy Kline more on his ability to consistently get to the 2nd level blocking in the run game. I know. You were just pointing out the contrasting opinions. I agree that the line as a whole is much, much better at run blocking than pass blocking. The gaps are there for all of our runners, not just Cook. It's really hard to make a good assessment of an O line player in live action. When we played the Falcons I was screaming for Eflein to be benched. Turns out it was Bradbury most of the time causing the problems. And I came away focused on how great Bradbury looked based on a few blocks out in space, which are much easy to notice.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:13:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. More like 'where's Swirvin Irvin'? Rudy continues to get the largest share of snaps while Smith Jr. only gets in about half of them. He's a superior receiver and AT A MINIMUM blocks just as well as Rudy. Game 1: Rudy 100%, Smith 48% Game 2: Rudy 100%, Smith 42% Game 3: Rudy 87%, Smith 49% Game 4: Rudy 84%, Smith 47% Game 5: Rudy 90%, Smith 51% Smith: 6 targets, 5 receptions, 64 yards, 12.8 yards/reception. Rudy: 8 targets, 6 receptions, 36 yards, 6 yards/reception. We're clearly not targeting the TE position enough (2/game), and we're absolutely not using Smith nearly as much as we should. Even more to the point (though with a small sample size): Yards per Target: Rudy 4.5, Smith 10.7

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:22:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see. Trade Rudy now while you can get something for him. Getting his contract off the books would be motivation enough... you can see the kid has the goods to take over.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:29:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see. Trade Rudy now while you can get something for him. Getting his contract off the books would be motivation enough... you can see the kid has the goods to take over. They tried to trade him in the offseason. Even though Rudy himself claimed there were 'multiple teams interested' nothing ever came to be. Fans might have trouble seeing past a good-looking, white, Notre Dame alum who does all the right things in the community to see his real value but rest assured other teams don't.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:33:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see. There's obviously the learning curve with the new offense, but it's only a matter of time Smith will be the TE1. My guess is right after the bye, there's no way the coaches don't see this game in and game out plus practice. Bisi Johnson is trending the right way, too. I bet he gets more targets as the season progresses.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson By the end of the season Smith will have more snaps in a game than Rudy, I believe. We'll see. There's obviously the learning curve with the new offense, but it's only a matter of time Smith will be the TE1. My guess is right after the bye, there's no way the coaches don't see this game in and game out plus practice. Bisi Johnson is trending the right way, too. I bet he gets more targets as the season progresses. Look what nice 'finds' there can be when we don't send a 1st-round-bust out onto the field for two seasons too many.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 12:43:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Where's Rudy? Through 5 games he has 6 catches for 36 yards. More like 'where's Swirvin Irvin'? Rudy continues to get the largest share of snaps while Smith Jr. only gets in about half of them. He's a superior receiver and AT A MINIMUM blocks just as well as Rudy. Game 1: Rudy 100%, Smith 48% Game 2: Rudy 100%, Smith 42% Game 3: Rudy 87%, Smith 49% Game 4: Rudy 84%, Smith 47% Game 5: Rudy 90%, Smith 51% Smith: 6 targets, 5 receptions, 64 yards, 12.8 yards/reception. Rudy: 8 targets, 6 receptions, 36 yards, 6 yards/reception. We're clearly not targeting the TE position enough (2/game), and we're absolutely not using Smith nearly as much as we should. Even more to the point (though with a small sample size): Yards per Target: Rudy 4.5, Smith 10.7 And it takes them both the same amount of time to get to those depths...

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/8/2019 1:26:26 PM)
If I'm not mistaken two of Smith's receptions were negated by penalties.

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