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geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:27:16 AM)

slow developing plays..

wonder why Vikings has so many long roll outs....because they have slow developing plays...



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:34:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:35:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

If it wasnt for the last few games I would have done anything to bite the bullet and cap hell.

BUT, cousins has improved. and know that he will be here next year.

Book in late rounds? Someone for possible future. Have a ton of weapons need to have a chance to use them.



We don't have a ton of weapons for the future.

- Theilen. His peak years were 2017-18 and as he enters his 30s will never see that again.
- TE. Somehow if you could mix Rudolph, Smith, and Conklin together there might be a real weapon. Questionmarks.
- JJ. Yes, something to build around.
- Cook. Super RB when healthy. # of carries adding up, and not in a good way.
- No 3 WR to speak of. Quite terrible in fact for modern football.

So we have JJ and Cook.

Thielen: yep, we need to find a burner for a 3rd WR that would help both him and JJ get some single coverage.

TE: We are set. Smith, Conklin and Dillon

Agreed. I'm not at all concerned about going into next year with that trio.


Nothing to write home about except high expectations. They won't address TE with so many other needs so hopefully that is how it shakes out.



SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:36:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....

Spot on
Might be the first issue that gets me to stop loving the Vikings
In 60 years of suffering.



SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:36:59 AM)

So, the way it's been going, expect us to try Dabo.



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:39:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Why is Chris Jones seeing the field? Piss poor in coverage. No effort tackling. Why not bring Holton Hill back and cut this clown?

Kubiak has been a major disappointment. Have we taken a shot on second and short this season? Slow developing plays on 3rd/4th and short. Our second 4th down play had ZERO chance.
Down by two scores in the 3/4th, 6,7 minute drives all the time. Our sweeps have to be WAY down this year compared to last year.

Our defense simply is not good without Kendricks.

Dantzler is a baller. I noticed Watts a few times, which is good. Couldn't tell if he was playing NT but seems like an upgrade over J Johnson.

That effort by Bisi was abysmal.

I'd be very curious to know Kirk's options at the LOS. On the second 4th-and-1, if Theilen runs a 1-or 2-yard out he's picking up yardage past the sticks and heading straight out of bounds to stop the clock. Is there an option to switch into that, or are we stuck with variants of the play that's sent in?



TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:40:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Y'all are forgettin Rudy


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No, I'm omitting Rudy. Something Spielman should have a while ago.



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:40:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

So, the way it's been going, expect us to try Dabo.

My life would be instantly simpler....and less rich.



SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:41:33 AM)

It took a 24 yard, falling backwards, off-balance pass to get back to the LOS on that final 4th and 1 debacle of a play call.
Maddening.



Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:44:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....

I must have missed something.

What does "his kind" mean?



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:48:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Lowest grades:

Offense
• Dozier: 39.5
• Ham: 50.0
• Smith Jr: 50.8

Defense
• Jones: 34.4
• Holmes: 38.6
• Dye: 39.5
• Johnson: 40.0

Nick Olson


Dozier is a regular sub 40 at this point, how the coaches can't see this is beyond me.

I was cautiously optimistic about Holmes, he was good for the Buckeyes. Maybe playing alongside Chase Young helped vault him.

I was excited about the Dye pick up especially in the 5th or wherever he was drafted. He was fantastic at Oregon, sideline to sideline making plays all over the place. In the NFL he looks undersized and too slow.

Dozier, Holmes, JJohnson have shown us that they are what they are. Fringe roster guys who should only play when a team is decimated with injuries.

Dye deserves another chance with a good off season to fully learn system.

Dye needs the offseason to work on his body, play recognition, mechanics, etc----the normal stuff in the first offseason for a rookie. I still have a lot of hope for him.



Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:53:42 AM)

Vikings Defensive Ranking,
Points Allowed,
since 2014:

2014 = 11th
2015 = 5th
2016 = 6th
2017 = 1st
2018 = 9th
2019 = 5th
2020 = 25th

Dustin Baker on Twitter



David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:56:34 AM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWXy4a-FQQ

Here's the highlights from the game. Count off in your head on each pass play. Cousins isn't instantly accosted by the D except for two plays. Trubisky only had 'all day' on a couple as well. In general, Trubisky is getting the throw off between 2-one-thousand and 3-one-thousand. Cousins gets the ball out quick on some and is still holding it on three-one-thousand some times as well.



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:57:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

KC is almost assuredly staying in 2021. QB could still be the biggest need because Cousins isn't getting $45 million in 2022.

Biggest gaps:
- G
- G (assuming Cleveland to LT)
- DE (depending on Hunter's status)
- 3T
- S/LB

Priorities:
- QB
- OL
- DL

I believe that $45 million locks in almost immediately this offseason. The choice is eat all the dead cap with no QB this year or accept the last two years fully guaranteed, and the choice happens almost right away when the league (and offseason) starts.



The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 11:59:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

If it wasnt for the last few games I would have done anything to bite the bullet and cap hell.

BUT, cousins has improved. and know that he will be here next year.

Book in late rounds? Someone for possible future. Have a ton of weapons need to have a chance to use them.



We don't have a ton of weapons for the future.

- Theilen. His peak years were 2017-18 and as he enters his 30s will never see that again.
- TE. Somehow if you could mix Rudolph, Smith, and Conklin together there might be a real weapon. Questionmarks.
- JJ. Yes, something to build around.
- Cook. Super RB when healthy. # of carries adding up, and not in a good way.
- No 3 WR to speak of. Quite terrible in fact for modern football.

So we have JJ and Cook.

Thielen: yep, we need to find a burner for a 3rd WR that would help both him and JJ get some single coverage.

TE: We are set. Smith, Conklin and Dillon

Agreed. I'm not at all concerned about going into next year with that trio.


Nothing to write home about except high expectations. They won't address TE with so many other needs so hopefully that is how it shakes out.


TE is literally the least of the Vikings worries next year.



bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:02:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....

I must have missed something.

What does "his kind" mean?

Essentially people who agree with him about everything, and conduct themselves within narrow parameters. Not necessarily strict racial, religious, or political alignment, but not far off, either.



Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:04:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Then get rid of the damn ball.

Exactly. Or work on speed and agility during the off-season.



David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:05:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Then get rid of the damn ball.

Exactly. Or work on speed and agility during the off-season.


And trust your receivers. We have two of the best in the business.



Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:06:14 PM)

The defense has taken about five steps backwards without Kendricks.



The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:06:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

KC is almost assuredly staying in 2021. QB could still be the biggest need because Cousins isn't getting $45 million in 2022.

Biggest gaps:
- G
- G (assuming Cleveland to LT)
- DE (depending on Hunter's status)
- 3T
- S/LB

Priorities:
- QB
- OL
- DL

I believe that $45 million locks in almost immediately this offseason. The choice is eat all the dead cap with no QB this year or accept the last two years fully guaranteed, and the choice happens almost right away when the league (and offseason) starts.


For better or for worse, the Vikings are keeping Cousins next year. Depending on how things shake out the last two games we could be drafting in the top 10. If so, does Spielman grab an OG or QBOTF? Assuming Hunter and Pierce are okay next year, 2 OG's and a 3T DT could make this team a superbowl contender, plus Spielman has shown he's an abject failure drafting olinemen after the 2nd rd. However, its not often (thankfully) that the Vikes are in a position to draft a legit QBOTF.



Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:07:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Then get rid of the damn ball.

Exactly. Or work on speed and agility during the off-season.


And trust your receivers. We have two of the best in the business.

The guy is just not a leader. Period. We'll be talking about the same thing in 12 months.



Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:16:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

Theilan older yes, agreed

JJ stud...Cook stud.

better wr and rb combo in league? I cant think of one.

Seattle, Tennessee, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans and Green Bay all have better weapons. But then again, they all have better quarterbacks so it's hard to tell. Atlanta's receivers are equal, if not better. Matt Ryan is another killing his franchise with his contract.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:17:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

KC is almost assuredly staying in 2021. QB could still be the biggest need because Cousins isn't getting $45 million in 2022.

Biggest gaps:
- G
- G (assuming Cleveland to LT)
- DE (depending on Hunter's status)
- 3T
- S/LB

Priorities:
- QB
- OL
- DL

I believe that $45 million locks in almost immediately this offseason. The choice is eat all the dead cap with no QB this year or accept the last two years fully guaranteed, and the choice happens almost right away when the league (and offseason) starts.


For better or for worse, the Vikings are keeping Cousins next year. Depending on how things shake out the last two games we could be drafting in the top 10. If so, does Spielman grab an OG or QBOTF? Assuming Hunter and Pierce are okay next year, 2 OG's and a 3T DT could make this team a superbowl contender, plus Spielman has shown he's an abject failure drafting olinemen after the 2nd rd. However, its not often (thankfully) that the Vikes are in a position to draft a legit QBOTF.



2 OG's and a 3T DT could make this team a superbowl contender.

With Beebe at 3WR? Jones at nickel/dime? Unknown at S? Assuming all 3 (G, G, 3T) work out? Bradbury? The coaching? Game management?

There is fandom and there is.... Wow!



Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:24:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....

I must have missed something.

What does "his kind" mean?

Essentially people who agree with him about everything, and conduct themselves within narrow parameters. Not necessarily strict racial, religious, or political alignment, but not far off, either.

I would doubt he is a racist with all the close relationships he has with his players.

I'm guessing he is Christian and is not a Liberal. Is that the problem?



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 12:39:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Dungy.
Tomlin.
Stefanski?

Wilfs could see what Dabo wants.

Maybe Bieniemy.

I would stop pulling for the Vikings instantly if Dabo were the coach. I think he's probably a decent guy overall, but a massive bloviating hypocritical cliche-meister who thinks everyone has to be just like him and his kind.

Hardest of hard passes.....

I must have missed something.

What does "his kind" mean?

Essentially people who agree with him about everything, and conduct themselves within narrow parameters. Not necessarily strict racial, religious, or political alignment, but not far off, either.

I would doubt he is a racist with all the close relationships he has with his players.

I'm guessing he is Christian and is not a Liberal. Is that the problem?



You mean like Thomas Jefferson's close relationships? Or like coming over to his house for bible study close relationships?



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